US votes against the free world at UN

[JBChiangRai]

A Prediction.

 

Trump: Give me half your minerals and I'll spend billions protecting you

Zelensky: OK

 

Trump: I have this deal, I want the same from you and you can take Ukraine

Putin: You have a deal and the sweetener is here's a billion for your own personal account in the Bahamas

[Harrisfan]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You don't think the US will be lifting sanctions, while the UK and EU while be imposing more?

 

It's pretty clear who Trump is siding with.

Trump is siding with maga. Get mineral rights, stop the war spending. Loyal promise kept.

 

The left wants to send US broke and have 1m more killed.

[bannork]

21 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

This is a European war.  Lets see Europe step up for a change.  Let them put boots on the ground. 

Fine. When the US is next attacked as in 9/11, Europe can shrug it off, it's just an American war.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

In WW2 there was a goal.   The uncondititonal surrendar of Japan and Germany.  

 

Ukaine lacks the man power to remove Russian from Ukaine.  

 

Like I asked before.  What is the end game. 

 

Maybe Macron should put boots on the gound in Ukaine. 

The end game for Trump is giving Putin what he wants, and extorting Ukraine for strategic minerals.

 

The end game for the EU should be to defeat Russia. If it doesn't, Putin will rearm and push westward. Any agreement with either Putin or Trump is worthless.

 

Whether it has the cohesion of purpose to do that remains to be seen.

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

A Prediction.

 

Trump: Give me half your minerals and I'll spend billions protecting you

Zelensky: OK

 

Trump: I have this deal, I want the same from you and you can take Ukraine

Putin: You have a deal and the sweetener is here's a billion for your own personal account in the Bahamas

Why does a billionaire need more?

 

Left - lets give away 300bn and havd 1m killed again

 

[camper star]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

The end game for Trump is giving Putin what he wants, and extorting Ukraine for strategic minerals.

 

The end game for the EU should be to defeat Russia. If it doesn't, Putin will rearm and push westward. Any agreement with either Putin or Trump is worthless.

 

Whether it has the cohesion of purpose to do that remains to be seen.

 

 

Have you ever talked to the Russian people outside of Moscow, these people don't even feel a war is going on in Ukraine. And where are all these pictures of mass killings and destruction on the News Media. Sure, there is some, but  even my Russian friend says that the Russian people would not want to kill the Russian people in Ukraine, but Zelensky was fine with that.

[TedG]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The end game for Trump is giving Putin what he wants, and extorting Ukraine for strategic minerals.

 

The end game for the EU should be to defeat Russia. If it doesn't, Putin will rearm and push westward. Any agreement with either Putin or Trump is worthless.

 

Whether it has the cohesion of purpose to do that remains to be seen.

 

Europe does not have the means to defeat Russia.    Defeating Russia will require an esculation of the war.  The people of Europe are lame and expect the USA to do the heavy lifting.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Why does a billionaire need more?

 

Left - lets give away 300bn and havd 1m killed again

 

You should read the book by Mary Trump " Too much and never enough".

 

How low America has sunk, from the days it would pay any price, and bear any burden, to defend freedom.

 

How many American lives have been lost in Ukraine?

[TedG]

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

Fine. When the US is next attacked as in 9/11, Europe can shrug it off, it's just an American war.

Europe did’nt so <deleted> after 9/11.  They sent a token force.  FFS….Europeans lack the abilty to do anthing hard. 

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, camper star said:

 

 

Have you ever talked to the Russian people outside of Moscow, these people don't even feel a war is going on in Ukraine. And where are all these pictures of mass killings and destruction on the News Media. Sure, there is some, but  even my Russian friend says that the Russian people would not want to kill the Russian people in Ukraine, but Zelensky was fine with that.

The Russian media is controlled by the Kremlin.

 

IIRC the conflict is still referred to as a special military operation, and it is jail time for calling it a war in Russia.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

Europe did’nt so <deleted> after 9/11.  They sent a token force.  FFS….Europeans lack the abilty to do anthing hard. 

So does America, apparently.

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You should read the book by Mary Trump " Too much and never enough".

 

How low America has sunk, from the days it would pay any price, and bear any burden, to defend freedom.

 

How many American lives have been lost in Ukraine?

You want people from 2 nations to die to satisfy your Trump hatred. 2m more will die under your plan. No care for life?

[jas007]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Putin's puppet supports him at the UN. A new low for the US supporting a murderous dictator 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7435pnle0go

The only sensible path forward, really. End the war. Trump promised to do so, and he's doing it.  If that means voting with Putin at the UN, or abstaining to vote on an amended proposal at the Security Council, so be it.  The alternative would be voting to continue the war with the European warmongers.  Not only would Trump be going against his promise to the voters, but it would make no sense, in reality.  Ukraine lost.  That's the truth.  It's over.  All over but the agreement itself, which will come soon enough. 

[bannork]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You should read the book by Mary Trump " Too much and never enough".

 

How low America has sunk, from the days it would pay any price, and bear any burden, to defend freedom.

 

How many American lives have been lost in Ukraine?

They've had the Russian forces and military equipment seriously depleted by the Ukrainians with no American voices lost.

Trump should be thanking Zelensky.

[bannork]

Just now, jas007 said:

The only sensible path forward, really. End the war. Trump promised to do so, and he's doing it.  If that means voting with Putin at the UN, or abstaining to vote on an amended proposal at the Security Council, so be it.  The alternative would be voting to continue the war with the European warmongers.  Not only would Trump be going against his promise to the voters, but it would make no sense, in reality.  Ukraine lost.  That's the truth.  It's over.  All over but the agreement itself, which will come soon enough. 

The warmonger is Putin, no one else.

Ukraine hasn't lost.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, theblether said:

 

They would rather innocents die than see Trump secure a peace deal.

 

Psychopaths. 

 

But people forget that neoconservatism began in the Democrat party. It's some state of affairs when you see the Cheney's and John Bolton lining up with the Dems. 

 

The world has gone mad 

Stop lying.

We don't want to see a SURRENDER deal.

Where Ukraine gets nothing and is being pressured mafia style to surrender their resources to imperialist Trump. 

We don't want to see bloodthirsty dictator Putin be rewarded with all his demands which will only only encourage future actions to take over all of Ukraine probably with a puppet,

the Batlcs, Molodova, Romania, finish with Georgia, and Poland etc. Not to mentions Putins actions trying and sometimes succeeding to influance elections globally. Plus of course great encouragement to Xi to grab Taiwan.

Fools think surrendering will prevent a global war. So stupid! Surrenering will make a global war almost definite.

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Stop lying.

We don't want to see a SURRENDER deal.

Where Ukraine gets nothing and is being pressured mafia style to surrender their resources to imperialist Trump. 

We don't want to see bloodthirsty dictator Putin be rewarded with all his demands which will only only encourage future actions to take over all of Ukraine probably with a puppet,

the Batlcs, Molodova, Romania, finish with Georgia, and Poland etc. Not to mentions Putins actions trying and sometimes succeeding to influance elections globally. Plus of course great encouragement to Xi to grab Taiwan.

Fools think surrendering will prevent a global war. So stupid! Surrenering will make a global war almost definite.

Ukraine get 89% of land, 50% of those mineral rights. No more lives lost. Looks a great deal. Russia gets 11% of land and whatever is there.

 

Left plan is 2m more deaths, land lost 40%. Less minerals. More US debt. A Ukraine at 60% and mostly ruined. Great idea lefties.

 

 

[rough diamond]

32 minutes ago, camper star said:

 

 

 

My Russian friend in Russia just told me about it 3 minutes ago.

 

Was it Putin himself?

[Harrisfan]

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

The warmonger is Putin, no one else.

Ukraine hasn't lost.

Lost 11%. Its gone. Not coming back. Be thankful. Move on. Dont lose a leg to save a finger.

[0ffshore360]

This  war will only end  when Putin has succeeded in extracting original goals at minimum and probably  more. Trump  can preen and preach to his ego's content and pretend he has influence.

 

[gamb00ler]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The "puppet" he was too terrified of to invade Ukraine under like he did under democrats Obama and Biden? Strange puppet.

As usual... upside down logic.

 

With Obama and Biden in poser, Putin knew that the only chance he could get what he wanted was to use aggression.

 

But, with Trump in power Vladdy knew what he wanted would be handed to him.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, gamb00ler said:

As usual... upside down logic.

 

With Obama and Biden in poser, Putin knew that the only way to get what he wanted was to use aggression.

 

But, with Trump in power he knew what he wanted would be handed to him.

He wants 50% of Ukraine. He won't get that. He gets 11% which he won under Biden. Do keep up.

[Jingthing]

Unfortunately Europe (and Canada. etc.) just hoped for the best (that Trump would lose or if not, not be as explicitly pro Putin as he has become). So Europe though largely with good intentions lacks the preparation, budget, or unified leadership to instantly step up to what's needed.

Yes, that's divorce from the USA because the USA is now with the autocratic world. 

So because they are unprepared they will probably cling to a false hope that they can still benefit from even a very weak alliance with the U.S.

Pretty scary times for sure.

 

The "Russia Russia Russia hoax" was never a hoax. It was always real. Many of us have realized that for a very long time. Now the entire world knows.

[Lacessit]

32 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

Sanctions have not had the desired effect, forcing the Russian economy onto a war footing in order to compensate, and diplomatic efforts to isolate Russia have proved disastrous, driving the country into the arms of China and North Korea.  The Russians have diversified and found new customers for their oil and natural gas. Yet the EU seems determined to continue down the same failed path; futilely announcing more sanctions and military aid when the moment has passed. Despite the naysayers, it is clearly time for a new approach. Diplomacy is a way of telegraphing this to the Russians and the world.

IMO bank interest rates of 21% and food inflation of 10% in Russia hardly indicates a failure of strategy. Nor does a reduction in the number of domestic passenger aircraft still operating, down from 700 to 400.

 

You are kidding yourself if you think China is Russia's friend. I'll bet the Chinese military is doing some hard thinking about how much territory in eastern Siberia it can grab and hold.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Very disappointed with Trump .

He said that he was end the Ukraine war immediately  .

How longs it been now, 

A month ?

 

BS for MAGA supporters

[Lacessit]

24 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

You want people from 2 nations to die to satisfy your Trump hatred. 2m more will die under your plan. No care for life?

More will die if Putin gets what he wants. He will use the pause to rearm, then keep pushing westward. No deal signed with him is better than toilet paper.

 

If you don't understand that, you're as dumb as a can of soup.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

More will die if Putin gets what he wants. He will use the pause to rearm, then keep pushing westward. No deal signed with him is better than toilet paper.

 

If you don't understand that, you're as dumb as a can of soup.

 

   I do think that Putin will be pleased to see the end of this war and will be in no hurry to get into any other wars in future

[Harrisfan]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

More will die if Putin gets what he wants. He will use the pause to rearm, then keep pushing westward. No deal signed with him is better than toilet paper.

 

If you don't understand that, you're as dumb as a can of soup.

Putin is 72yo and you have him invading europe based on made up theories with nothing to backup your claims just comments about soup. An intelligent person uses facts to backup claims not insults.

[OneMoreFarang]

And > 70 million Americans still support that guy. Sad. Very sad.

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I do think that Putin will be pleased to see the end of this war and will be in no hurry to get into any other wars in future

1m Russians dead. Army tired. The left has him invading Europe 

 

Hitler used up 5 weeks to get Poland, few deaths and had 13m troops.

 

Soup for dinner it is.