Thai alternatives to smoking cannabis?

[rockyysdt]

For me, apart from the fact that I'm not sure if it's worthwhile, if I want to explore this world, what are the best alternatives to smoking the stuff?

 

I was thinking, due to legal and other restrictions, not to mention bringing attention to yourself, where you smoke can be pretty restrictive.

Not to mention health issues due to smoking.

 

What are the best alternatives to smoking Cannabis?

 

If I consume orally, which are best value alternatives in Thailand to orally consume it?

 

I've heard of Gummies, but felt oil drops might be better value.

 

Looking for advice.

[Jingthing]

Dry herb vaping.

 

Edible highs last a long time. OK if you want that.

[rockyysdt]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Dry herb vaping.

 

Edible highs last a long time. OK if you want that.

Thanks J.

Sounds cool.

Wanted to avoid using the lungs.

 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, rockyysdt said:

Thanks J.

Sounds cool.

Wanted to avoid using the lungs.

 

Significantly milder than smoking as the herb isn't burned.

However apparantly the vapes themselves are illegal.

[rockyysdt]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Significantly milder than smoking as the herb isn't burned.

However apparantly the vapes themselves are illegal.

Thanks J.

 

Haven't visited since the pandemic.

Would hate to break any local laws and be excluded from future visits. 😟

 

 

[HugoFastor]

I use a combination of dry herb vaping and consuming edible cannabis-infused oil that I make myself. I don’t like smoking anything either because of the risk of lung damage, but dry herb vaping doesn’t pose that risk IMHO. Since there’s no combustion, there’s no tar or ash entering your lungs. You’re essentially just inhaling hot air and the vapor from the cannabis, similar to how cannabis would release fumes if it were baked in an oven.

 

As JT mentioned, edible highs last a long time, about six hours in my experience, but I actually like the longer duration. My approach is to vape a little and consume the oil simultaneously. This way, I start feeling the effects from the vape right away, and by the time those wear off, the oil kicks in. Vaping provides an immediate effect but typically lasts only about two and a half hours before fading. However, if you pair it with an edible, you don’t need to keep vaping once the edible takes effect. In the past, I used to vape more without taking any oil, but then I found myself needing to vape repeatedly throughout the evening. Now, with the combination, I often stop vaping once the oil kicks in.

 

Edibles take about an hour to kick in on an empty stomach, while on a full stomach, it can take anywhere from two to two and a half hours. The strength and dosage of the edible also plays a big role in how intense the effects are and how quickly you might feel them.

 

It’s also worth noting that smoking or vaping cannabis gives a more immediate, head-focused high, whereas edibles create a more relaxing body effect. Edibles can leave you feeling laid-back without the same intense mental effects that come with smoking or vaping. That said, dosage is key. One time, I took too much oil as an experiment and didn’t like the feeling. It was too intense both mentally and physically, and I didn’t want to endure it for hours, so I took a very low dose of a tranquilizer to help bypass it. About 30 minutes later, I felt pretty much normal again. It’s a good backstop in case you accidentally overdo it on the cannabis while learning about your own tolerance levels.

 

Anyway, I’ll stop here. This is a discussion that could go on forever, but hopefully, that gives you enough info to get started.

 

As for the legality of dry herb vapes, I don’t worry about it. I’ve never heard of anyone in Thailand having any legal problems for using a dry herb vaporizer or for consuming cannabis in any form, ever since it was removed from the list of illegal narcotics in June 2022. Also, a dry herb vaporizer itself doesn’t contain any illegal substances, so the device technically shouldn’t be viewed as illegal. It simply heats up cannabis flower, which in itself isn’t an illegal act. The real legal issues with vaping in Thailand involves consuming prefilled cartridges containing oil, nicotine, flavorings and other harmful chemicals, which can cause serious lung damage, especially for teenagers who typically use them constantly throughout the day.

 

Another big advantage of a dry herb vaporizer is that it produces very little, if any noticeable cannabis smell at all. This means you don’t have to worry about how people around you might react if they dislike the smell of cannabis. Dry herb vaporizer can also be considered condo friendly. In many condos in Thailand, they now have rules against smoking cannabis in your own apartment, or even on your own balcony, but use of a dry herb vaporizer in your apartment is undetectable by others. You can even use a dry herb vaporizer in a public place, and in most cases, people won't even realize you are consuming a form of cannabis.

[rockyysdt]

52 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

I use a combination of dry herb vaping and consuming edible cannabis-infused oil that I make myself.

 

Thanks H.

 

Very informative.

 

For the traveler, who might visit infrequently, wouldn't setting up be an issue?

Is there product commercially available which is good value and ready to go?

 

And the vaping device, is that just a standard vaping pipe, readily available?

What material is commercially available which you'd class as "dry herb"?

How do you prepare it for use in a vaping pipe?

 

Is there a good oil, already decarboxilated, commercially available in Thailand?

[Jingthing]

I hate to be a Debbie Downer but cannabis oil with any amount of THC that would actually get you high is very, very illegal,  and the law on that has never been changed. Much more severe an issue than dry herb vapes. As far as enforcement on either of those things, that's another thing, but people should at least be aware of the situation.

[rockyysdt]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I hate to be a Debbie Downer but cannabis oil with any amount of THC that would actually get you high is very, very illegal,  and the law on that has never been changed. Much more severe an issue than dry herb vapes. As far as enforcement on either of those things, that's another thing, but people should at least be aware of the situation.

Thanks J.

 

All this is new to me.

Do they actually sell vapes ready to go into a vape pipe?

Are these vapes legal vs oil?

 

Or should I have asked "what product do I need to achieve  "dry herb vaping"?

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I hate to be a Debbie Downer but cannabis oil with any amount of THC that would actually get you high is very, very illegal,  and the law on that has never been changed. Much more severe an issue than dry herb vapes. As far as enforcement on either of those things, that's another thing, but people should at least be aware of the situation.

Hi Debbie, widely available and advertised on Facebook, line groups and by registered companies with licenses.

Gummies, cookies, chocolates and cakes also.

 

[MalcolmB]

Have you tried snorting it?

[HugoFastor]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I hate to be a Debbie Downer but cannabis oil with any amount of THC that would actually get you high is very, very illegal,  and the law on that has never been changed. Much more severe an issue than dry herb vapes. As far as enforcement on either of those things, that's another thing, but people should at least be aware of the situation.

 

I’m glad you brought up the potential illegality of cannabis-infused oil because it also ties into another reason why vapes are illegal in Thailand.

 

For those who may not be familiar with the legal details, natural forms of cannabis such as flowers, buds, and all other unprocessed cannabis plant materials are no longer classified as illegal narcotics in Thailand. This means they can be consumed legally without issue. Most high quality cannabis buds themselves naturally contain between 20 to 30 percent THC, which is completely legal despite the high THC content because it is in its natural form. However, any cannabis extract product that contains more than 0.02 percent THC remains illegal.

 

This is why commercially produced THC vape cartridges, many of which are openly sold in cannabis shops in Thailand, are actually illegal. They contain concentrated THC levels that exceed the legal limit, making them a much bigger legal risk than simply vaping dry herb. Dry herb vaping is just a method of consuming natural cannabis that has been ground up by then heating it up, a concept that is essentially not different from smoking it in a joint or using a bong.

 

It is also important to distinguish THC vape cartridges from nicotine vapes. Both types of vapes are technically illegal in Thailand, but for different reasons. Nicotine vapes, which contain harmful additives and chemicals, are banned primarily due to health concerns and regulations surrounding tobacco alternatives. However, THC vape cartridges are illegal for an additional reason, mainly because they contain THC extract in concentrations far higher than what is legally permitted. This makes them more of a legal risk than nicotine vapes, as they violate both the country’s vape ban and its restrictions on high content THC cannabis extracts.

 

Cannabis-infused oil is a more complicated issue. The Thai government distributes a couple of brands of cannabis extract oil through government hospitals for medical purposes, particularly for pain management and other health conditions. These oils are typically low in THC and high in CBD. In my opinion, they seem to be made from low-quality locally outdoor-grown cannabis, and I question their effectiveness or if they contain any useful amounts of any cannabinoids at all, but that is a discussion for another time.

 

That said, I have seen many people on this forum talk about making their own cannabis-infused oil for personal use, and it seems to be a common practice in Thailand. If someone were ever questioned about having possession of it, it would be difficult to distinguish the legal differences between homemade cannabis oil from the cannabis oil distributed through government hospitals without sending it to a lab for THC percentage testing. Realistically, that is not something authorities are likely to do unless someone is caught with large quantities, making it look like they are selling or distributing it. The key issue is that any oil you make yourself is obviously going to contain far more than the legally permissible amount of THC, but it is unlikely to attract any attention from local authorities.

 

There are also both online and offline shops in Thailand openly selling locally made cannabis-infused oil with high THC levels. Even a former forum member whose wife owns a small cannabis shop in Phuket makes and sells it through their shop. So the question is, if you are making your own oil from legally purchased cannabis flower for personal use, does that qualify as an illegal THC extract product under the law, or is it just another form of personal preparation? If you are not selling it or producing it in large quantities, it seems unlikely that it would be treated the same way as mass-produced THC vape cartridges or a high-THC oil being made and sold commercially.

 

Bottom line, I would not be concerned if you are making small amounts of cannabis-infused oil for personal use. And even if you wanted to buy it instead, I could name at least half a dozen websites that openly sell it in Thailand, suggesting that homemade, non-mass-produced cannabis oil is widely available and not something authorities are actively cracking down on.

 

Correct me if you think any of this is wrong, but that is my take on it.

[HugoFastor]

4 hours ago, rockyysdt said:

Thanks H.

 

Very informative.

 

For the traveler, who might visit infrequently, wouldn't setting up be an issue?

Is there product commercially available which is good value and ready to go?

 

And the vaping device, is that just a standard vaping pipe, readily available?

What material is commercially available which you'd class as "dry herb"?

How do you prepare it for use in a vaping pipe?

 

Is there a good oil, already decarboxilated, commercially available in Thailand?

 

Dry herb vaporizers are small, handheld, battery-powered electronic devices that function like an oven. They have buttons to control the power level and temperature, a small chamber where you place the cannabis for vaping, and a nozzle where you inhale the vapor. A good quality one sells for around USD$100 or the Thai baht equivalent. There are a couple of local websites where you can order one online and have it delivered to an address within Thailand. Xmax is a high-quality US brand that manufactures its dry herb vaporizers in China and sells them worldwide, and there are a few sellers in Thailand that offer this brand as well.

 

Some people buy them overseas and hand-carry them into Thailand without any issues. As long as they are brand new, unused, and contain no remnants of cannabis inside the chamber, it seems unlikely that anyone would face problems. Others prefer to buy them from local shops in Thailand that import and resell them. Personally, I would just purchase one in Thailand rather than bring one in myself, since the price difference is small and not really worth the hassle.

 

Using a dry herb vaporizer is simple. You just take some cannabis bud, grind it up, and load it into the chamber of the device. The preparation process is no different from rolling a joint or packing a pipe or bong. Once you have consumed it and the contents in the oven are used up, you simply dump out the residue and reload it when you are ready to vape again.

 

As I mentioned in my previous post, there are several shops in Thailand, both online and in retail stores, that sell cannabis-infused oil. However, I have never purchased any myself, as I only make small quantities for personal use. So I cannot personally vouch for the quality of what is being sold for cannabis infused oil in Thailand. I assume there is some good, locally made product available, but figuring out which ones are high quality is unclear unless you buy some and test it yourself or get a recommendation from someone who has purchased from a particular shop before.

[Harrisfan]

Drink fruit shakes and do something

[blaze master]

7 hours ago, rockyysdt said:

Thanks J.

 

Haven't visited since the pandemic.

Would hate to break any local laws and be excluded from future visits. 😟

 

 

 

There was a poster on here @SamuiGrower that went into great details about the myths and realities of vaping. In regards to health and not legslity in thailand.

 

He didn't post too much so finding his comments will be easy.

 

Well worth checking out. 

 

Edibles and micro dosing would be good for someone like you. 

[bamnutsak]

16 hours ago, rockyysdt said:

For me, apart from the fact that I'm not sure if it's worthwhile, if I want to explore this world

 

Have you ever consumed cannabis before?

 

What prompted this desire for "exploration"?

 

Is cannabis available in your home country?

 

 

Do you have any cannabis-savvy friends, here or at home, who could introduce/monitor your initial forrays?

 

 

 

 

[HugoFastor]

6 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

Have you ever consumed cannabis before?

 

What prompted this desire for "exploration"?

 

Is cannabis available in your home country?

 

 

Do you have any cannabis-savvy friends, here or at home, who could introduce/monitor your initial forrays?

 

 

 

 

Those are good questions. I think once cannabis became legal in Thailand, a lot of cannabis-curious people came out of the woodwork. Many have probably never tried it before, or if they did, maybe only once or twice as teenagers. Most of them are likely just traveling or staying short-term in Thailand and come from countries where cannabis is either not readily available, quite expensive, or outright illegal. Some may not know where to get it back home, while others might be wary of buying it on the black market. On top of that, their social circles are probably made up of people in similar situations, meaning they do not have anyone to help guide them through their first experience.

 

With that in mind, the best option for someone like that might be to find a relaxed cannabis shop in Thailand that has a comfortable space to sit, consume, and ease into the experience. Being around other users in that kind of setting could help them feel more at ease and offer some guidance if needed, of course it depends on the type of other people that are around. But tiptoeing in with a small dose for the first few times is always the best way to go, at least until your brain gets a better understanding of what the psychoactive effects are all about. 

[rockyysdt]

6 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

Have you ever consumed cannabis before?

 

What prompted this desire for "exploration"?

 

Is cannabis available in your home country?

 

 

Do you have any cannabis-savvy friends, here or at home, who could introduce/monitor your initial forrays?

 

 

 

 

High B.

 

I appreciate your help.

 

Being a fan of Don Corleone, I've adopted some of his advise.

He said:  “Santino, never let anyone outside the Family know what you are thinking".

 

Please take this as lighthearted humour. 🙂

 

 

[rockyysdt]

35 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

The best option for someone like that might be to find a relaxed cannabis shop in Thailand that has a comfortable space to sit, consume, and ease into the experience.

I think it's more about taking the opportunity due to the legal aspect when in the country.

 

I know, if I partake it'll only be a ST thing.

Have other plans for my life.

 

Never liked the inhalation side of things.

You've indicated dry herb vaping is vastly healthier but I'm pretty uncomfortable using my lungs.

And the amount of times I'll use won't justify the cost of the vape device.

 

I'll probably get chewed out by some forum members, but I thought eating without decarboxylating might be a way.

Too short a time to get involved with equipment and processes involved. 

Also I understand most of the THC content won't be absorbed.

 

Was thinking just finely chop some bud, mix it with olive oil and down the hatch.

No smell, and as I'd only make up what is immediately eaten, no incriminating evidence.

Also no paraphernalia to deal this, and cool with the law.

 

Any thoughts?
 

[Centigrade32]

34 minutes ago, rockyysdt said:

I think it's more about taking the opportunity due to the legal aspect when in the country.

 

I know, if I partake it'll only be a ST thing.

Have other plans for my life.

 

Never liked the inhalation side of things.

You've indicated dry herb vaping is vastly healthier but I'm pretty uncomfortable using my lungs.

And the amount of times I'll use won't justify the cost of the vape device.

 

I'll probably get chewed out by some forum members, but I thought eating without decarboxylating might be a way.

Too short a time to get involved with equipment and processes involved. 

Also I understand most of the THC content won't be absorbed.

 

Was thinking just finely chop some bud, mix it with olive oil and down the hatch.

No smell, and as I'd only make up what is immediately eaten, no incriminating evidence.

Also no paraphernalia to deal this, and cool with the law.

 

Any thoughts?
 

 

 

 

AFAIK, decarbing takes place with heat, so heating the herbs in olive oil will have a similar effect. Just allow it to cool down before intake 🙂 

 

Personally I had good results with simply mixing it with yoghurt way back when, but often it's not particularly clean stuff. 

 

If you want to DIY, my suggestion, if you have any heating implements at home(even a microwave) is to buy a takeaway soup(anything with a bit of fat in it), crumble your herbs within and reheat . I think this is the traditional local way. Though don't quote me on that.

 

 

[HugoFastor]

10 hours ago, rockyysdt said:

I think it's more about taking the opportunity due to the legal aspect when in the country.

 

I know, if I partake it'll only be a ST thing.

Have other plans for my life.

 

Never liked the inhalation side of things.

You've indicated dry herb vaping is vastly healthier but I'm pretty uncomfortable using my lungs.

And the amount of times I'll use won't justify the cost of the vape device.

 

I'll probably get chewed out by some forum members, but I thought eating without decarboxylating might be a way.

Too short a time to get involved with equipment and processes involved. 

Also I understand most of the THC content won't be absorbed.

 

Was thinking just finely chop some bud, mix it with olive oil and down the hatch.

No smell, and as I'd only make up what is immediately eaten, no incriminating evidence.

Also no paraphernalia to deal this, and cool with the law.

 

Any thoughts?
 

To be honest, based on everything you just said, I would probably just give it a pass completely. Probably not worth the challenges and possible negative outcomes unless you're going to do it in a conventional way.
 

I think eating it raw poses certain risks and I've never tried it myself. It might upset your stomach, if it's not totally clean and fresh. It might also have some fungus growing on it that you can't see, which could lead to a fungal infection in your intestines.
 

So I would say it's not worth the risk given the fact that if you just eat raw cannabis, it might not even provide you with any real psychoactive effects. More downside risks than upsides in my opinion. 
 

But if you really want to eat it, why not buy a cannabis cookie or a brownie from one of those cannabis shops that is selling them and then sit there for a few hours and see how you feel? To me that seems like the lowest risk and best possible outcome without any major cost or inconvenience. 
 

I'm not sure if you're planning to be in Bangkok, but you could go to Royal Queen Seeds, which is a big cannabis shop very close to the Asoke intersection. You can find it on Google maps.
 

I've never been there myself, but I've been meaning to go check it out some day. The people who set it up are originally from Amsterdam I believe. I think they also have shops in Holland and I've heard good things about the place.
 

I see on Google maps that they also sell edible cannabis brownies and gummy's and I think you could take it there on campus and chill out for a few hours. Order some beverages and just relax. I think they are open until 1 AM, so plenty of time to stay there for a while if you want and I assume the people working in the shop are knowledgeable and would guide you in the right direction.
 

That would be my suggestion, but you can think about it and decide. 

[blaze master]

38 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

've never been there myself, but I've been meaning to go check it out some day. The people who set it up are originally from Amsterdam I believe. I think they also have shops in Holland and I've heard good things about the place.

 

It's a couple of French guys running it but I know that the operatorr is good friends with the guy who started royal queen. 

 

Both good guys.