Starmer Urges Zelensky to Reconcile with Trump, but Tensions Remain High

[Captain Flack]

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[TedG]

4 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I think Zelensky should reconcile with Trump, but only if Trump seeks reconciliation. In other words, I don't believe that Zelensky should "bow down" to Trump, but a handshake and a "let's start over" would be okay with me.

Who needs who?

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

Who needs who?

Exactly. Trump is the boss, Z the employee. Go elsewhere if not happy. Nobody else will pay $183bn.

[TedG]

Don't worry; Europe plans on cutting ties with Russia by 2027.  

[jas007]

5 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I think Zelensky should reconcile with Trump, but only if Trump seeks reconciliation. In other words, I don't believe that Zelensky should "bow down" to Trump, but a handshake and a "let's start over" would be okay with me.

I'm afraid Trump is done with Zelenskyy, and Zelenskyy himself has reached the end of his political acting career.  I'm not sure what's next, but it looks like it's any deal to stop the war now, including a deal with Putin.  The US can mine minerals in the Donbass and throughout the rest of Russia. 

[newbee2022]

5 hours ago, Hakuna Matata said:

CNN and other major media are today carrying video clips on their youtube channels giving us a glimpse of the 19 or so European and transatlantic leaders who gathered in London to discuss with Volodymyr Zelensky how to continue their cooperation in defense of Ukraine following the debacle in the White House in Washington yesterday, when Zelensky was humiliated before the television cameras and was shown to the door. Among the 19 whom I counted when they posed for the obligatory group photo were  Emmanuel Macron, Donald Tusk, Georgia Meloni, Justin Trudeau, Mark Rutte, Ursula von der Leyen.

In the few introductory words delivered by Keir Starmer, we heard that their common mission is to provide for European security, in which defending Ukraine plays a vital role. They seemingly wish to arrive at a common position on defending Ukraine that they will later present to Washington.

The problem with this is that they are knowingly running directly against the now crystal clear position of Donald Trump to wash his hands of Zelensky and to allow the Russians to finish up this war as they see best. The U.S. is about to cut off shipments of arms prepared by Biden in his last days and will surely not send any further weapons to Kiev out of its current budget.

It is utterly bizarre that these stubborn Europeans think that they have some leverage with Trump. Their blindness is not merely to the obvious fact that absent the participation of the USA in the war effort consisting of materiel, money and critically important satellite intelligence to guide battlefield operations, the Ukrainian forces have no chance whatsoever of standing up to Russia.  Europe’s possible aid will solve nothing.

More to the point, when they speak of European security, they overlook the fact that without vibrant U.S. participation in NATO, NATO can fold its tents since it will be nonfunctional. It lacks the air lift, the armaments manufacturing capacity, most everything to sustain a war that will last more than a few days.

By their present gathering, these leaders are setting the stage for a U.S. pull-out from NATO.  They forget how the United States under any president, not just Donald J. Trump, reacts to defiance from allies.  Just think back to 2003 when Germany, France and Belgium had the temerity to veto the U.S. drafted resolution before the UN Security Council approving the planned invasion of Iraq over alleged weapons of mass destruction.  Within days, French wines were being poured out into the gutters, French fries were renamed ‘freedom fries’ and there was outrage and indignation across the land.  No less will result from the stupid, pig-headed action of these European heads of government in London today.

As for Keir Starmer, he must be the stupidest of the lot.  When in Washington meeting with Donald Trump, he was offered a tariff free trade deal with the USA that his country has sought ever since Brexit. He failed to see that this was the deal:  you get tariff free trade if you just shut up about Ukraine.  But shut up this oaf could not do.  As they say in Washington, there now will be consequences.
On related news of the day, it appears that King Charles today gave an audience to his good friend Volodymyr Zelensky.  And does he still expect Donald Trump to come calling for the state visit and private dinner with the King that Starmer delivered during his visit?

I wondering under what circumstances this horrible nonsense was written. And, to be honest, I don't want to know too precisely.

However, and here is my question:

500 mill people have to ask 350 mill to protect 100 mill against 145 mill?? I read this recently in EU press.

Economically US needs us Europeans (and Canada) for steady growth.

And to secure the peace in nearer future US needs the Europeans too.

So it's a vice versa thing.

If US wants to be friends with Europe? We'll see. I'm not a clairvoyant.🤗

 

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

You?

No.  I believe it was a reference to yourself. 

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Why the left love this little clown

Says you looking in the mirror.

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

This would not have happened except for DEMOCRATS who cornered Zelenski just before the meeting with Trump and telling him no to sign the agreement.  So tired of anti Trumpers who go around calling Trump names when the know nothing except for the what they hear in the Marxist Democrat news.  Educate yourself or at least think for yourself.

 

"This would not have happened except for DEMOCRATS who cornered Zelenski just before the meeting with Trump and telling him no to sign the agreement."

 

A link or some other 100% proof please. 

[Yellowtail]

22 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

"This would not have happened except for DEMOCRATS who cornered Zelenski just before the meeting with Trump and telling him no to sign the agreement."

 

A link or some other 100% proof please. 

 

https://www.realclearpolicy.com/2025/03/03/dems_lead_zelensky_ukraine_off_a_cliff_1094981.html

[Hakuna Matata]

 

[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, TedG said:

Don't worry; Europe plans on cutting ties with Russia by 2027.  

Better knotting ties 👍

[Hakuna Matata]

 

[RayC]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly.

 

Starmer doesn't want a great post Brexit trade deal with the US. That would prove him and all the Remainers wrong again. He wants to cozy up to the EU leaders and try to rejoin.

 

He hates Britain.  

 

What an absolute lot of old tosh.

 

This is, never was and given the current political climate won't be in the foreseeable future, any prospect of a US-UK free-trade deal being put on the table. Trump offered warm words about a post-Brexit free-trade arrangement first time round and nothing happened. Given that the US is becoming increasingly protectionist, the chances of a substantial deal this time round is slim. Starmer was attempting a damage limitation exercise in Washington i.e. trying to avoid US tariffs being imposed on the UK. Time will tell, but to that end he might be successful. 

 

Wrt the EU, Starmer - and to be fair, Sunak before him - are merely trying to resume normal relations and repair the damage done to our relationship with our closest trading partner following the catastrophic confrontational agenda pursued by the buffoon, Johnson.

 

It is ridiculous to suggest that any UK PM - whatever their political persuasion - actually hates Britain.