Social Media Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago European leaders are increasingly concerned about President Donald Trump’s intentions regarding U.S. military forces stationed on the continent. As tensions grow between Washington and its European allies, speculation over a potential drawdown of American troops has fueled anxiety about the long-standing transatlantic security arrangement that has underpinned Europe’s defense since World War II. With little clarity on Trump’s plans, European officials fear anything from a symbolic withdrawal to a significant reduction in forces. The key concern is ensuring that any potential shift in U.S. military presence is not dictated by negotiations between Washington and Moscow, as European leaders worry that such a move could leave NATO’s eastern flank exposed before they can reinforce their own defenses. “This is what they have in mind when they say nothing about European security without Europeans in the room,” said Camille Grand, a former NATO official now with the European Council on Foreign Relations. Last month, several NATO allies left a meeting with U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth with the impression that a reduction in American troop presence was likely. According to officials, Hegseth indicated that Europe should expect a reassessment of the U.S. military footprint as strategic priorities shift. The possibility of such a realignment has led European leaders to scramble for solutions, including increasing defense spending and modernizing their military capabilities to compensate for a potential gap. Vice President JD Vance has added another layer to the debate, tying the future of U.S. troop deployments to European domestic policies. He has openly criticized European leaders for their stance on right-wing political movements and linked military support to broader policy disagreements. “There are thousands upon thousands of American troops in Germany today,” Vance said last month. “Do you think that the American taxpayer is going to stand for that if you get thrown in jail in Germany for posting a mean tweet? Of course they’re not.” Germany currently hosts more than 35,000 U.S. troops, the largest American military presence in Europe. According to three European diplomats, the additional 20,000 U.S. troops deployed by the Biden administration during the early stages of the Ukraine war are expected to be withdrawn. “I would not be surprised if at some point [those troops] go back to their home base in America,” said a NATO diplomat. While the initial deployment was an emergency response, a withdrawal would be seen as a return to pre-war conditions. Further complicating the situation, there are discussions about whether European nations should send a postwar force to Ukraine to support a ceasefire. Such a move could impact their ability to fill any gaps left by a U.S. troop reduction elsewhere, making negotiations with the Trump administration even more complex. U.S. European Command reports that the number of American forces in Europe has fluctuated between 75,000 and 105,000 since 2022, with approximately 63,000 permanently stationed there. However, analysts argue that the presence of U.S. forces matters just as much as the exact numbers. “It’s the sort of physical embodiment of the commitment to European security,” Grand explained. Beyond just manpower, U.S. forces bring critical capabilities that European militaries still lack, particularly in surveillance, intelligence, and long-range strike capabilities. The presence of American troops also serves as a deterrent and ensures NATO’s ability to respond quickly to potential threats. As European leaders prepare for future discussions with the Trump administration, they are working to secure their own defenses while seeking assurances that any shifts in U.S. military posture will not come at the expense of European security. Based on a report by WP 2025-03-04 2
newbee2022 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 6 hours ago, Social Media said: Germany currently hosts more than 35,000 U.S. troops, the largest American military presence Paid by the German Government
Popular Post Andycoops Posted 14 hours ago Popular Post Posted 14 hours ago The CiC is a coward who refused to serve his country because he wouldn't have access to the orange glow machine. The only country since WW2 to invoke the NATO articles has been the USA. Time to tell them to FO for good and the next time the rag heads stop the cheap oil and bomb the Pentagon we can all sit back and say, over to you but don't call us... 1 1 1 1
LukKrueng Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago It's all part of the big plan: Make America Small Again... 2 1 1
Popular Post Purdey Posted 10 hours ago Popular Post Posted 10 hours ago Europeans would be better off by being able to defend itself. 3
Popular Post Tug Posted 9 hours ago Popular Post Posted 9 hours ago Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if trump pulls us out of nato abandoning Europe then refusing to support American made weapon systems in the nato nations.donald belongs to putin and seems to support his ambitions. 1 2
ronnie50 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Tug said: Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if trump pulls us out of nato abandoning Europe then refusing to support American made weapon systems in the nato nations.donald belongs to putin and seems to support his ambitions. While this might seem counterintuitive, NATO might be better off without US forces in the era of Trump. It seems clear he wouldn't agree to act against Russia if Putin invaded or threatened a NATO allied country. So NATO would be better off without the US and its contrary meddling in the organization. However, that means the rest of NATO - particularly UK, France and Canada (and all the others) would need to really up their game (money, troops, IT, etc), and become deliberately more aggressive. 1 1
Popular Post Tug Posted 9 hours ago Popular Post Posted 9 hours ago 3 minutes ago, ronnie50 said: While this might seem counterintuitive, NATO might be better off without US forces in the era of Trump. It seems clear he wouldn't agree to act against Russia if Putin invaded or threatened a NATO allied country. So NATO would be better off without the US and its contrary meddling in the organization. However, that means the rest of NATO - particularly UK, France and Canada (and all the others) would need to really up their game (money, troops, IT, etc), and become deliberately more aggressive. NATO is far stronger with Americas membership we have allways been a reliable partner untle the betrayer in chief. 1 1 1 1
Popular Post Harrisfan Posted 9 hours ago Popular Post Posted 9 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Tug said: Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if trump pulls us out of nato abandoning Europe then refusing to support American made weapon systems in the nato nations.donald belongs to putin and seems to support his ambitions. US doesn't need NATO. Waste of money. 1 1 2
Popular Post KhunLA Posted 9 hours ago Popular Post Posted 9 hours ago I would love to see no US military overseas. Total waste of lives, assets & money. Bring 'em all home 😎 1 1 1 2 2 2
ronnie50 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Tug said: NATO is far stronger with Americas membership we have allways been a reliable partner untle the betrayer in chief. Fully agree with that. But if America in NATO can't be trusted to act under Trump, or will use its significant clout at the NATO table to vote down what needs to be done in an continental security emergency situation, then they're better off without USA. 1 1
norfolkandchance Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 10 minutes ago, KhunLA said: I would love to see no US military overseas. Total waste of lives, assets & money. Bring 'em all home 😎 Hang on, the Spams will save the world. 1
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted 9 hours ago Popular Post Posted 9 hours ago As things are going US troops in Europe are looking increasingly like the forces of a hostile power 1 1 1 1
frank83628 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 39 minutes ago, Tug said: Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if trump pulls us out of nato abandoning Europe then refusing to support American made weapon systems in the nato nations.donald belongs to putin and seems to support his ambitions. Sounds good, no more American wars of aggression
wwest5829 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, Purdey said: Europeans would be better off by being able to defend itself. Would that reality saw anyone overpowered by a bigger bully could defend themselves. That said, I do not oppose a stronger Europe. Do you have refl3ction on Orwell’s “1984” where there is three regions of the world … ? 1
Popular Post wwest5829 Posted 8 hours ago Popular Post Posted 8 hours ago 18 minutes ago, frank83628 said: Sounds good, no more American wars of aggression Like WW I and WW II? 1 1 2 1
Popular Post Harrisfan Posted 8 hours ago Popular Post Posted 8 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: As things are going US troops in Europe are looking increasingly like the forces of a hostile power Hostile by avoiding wars 1 2
Popular Post lordgrinz Posted 8 hours ago Popular Post Posted 8 hours ago Let Europe deal with issues on their side of the world, how many more wars over there need to be our problem? They seem to be unable to get along over there, too many wars in that region throughout history, maybe they should figure out how to get along better, or spend money defending/offending each other from their own pockets. 1 1 1 2
Popular Post connda Posted 8 hours ago Popular Post Posted 8 hours ago Good - It's been a gravy-train for too long with the US tax-payers paying for all the gravy. Bring the troops home and put them on the border. 1 1 3
frank83628 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 14 minutes ago, wwest5829 said: Like WW I and WW II? I'm not 100yrs old, so couldnt care less about either of those, its 2025 1
Tug Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, frank83628 said: I'm not 100yrs old, so couldnt care less about either of those, its 2025 Swishh is the sound of something passing over your head.NATO was created to check Russian aggression in Europe period all stop everyone found out trying to appease the aggressor doesent work (chamberlain)furthermore nato was created by the likes of Churchill marshal de gall ect ect you know the guys that were shaped by the hell that was WW2. Now I realize that being a New York trust fund baby and getting 400 million and a bunch of rentals from da da is a harrowing experience far greater than Churchill or any of his contemporaries could have possibly faced(sarcasm alert)…… remember BUCHA? Now take a walk in Zelenskyys shoes…..sad ! 2
frank83628 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, Tug said: Swishh is the sound of something passing over your head.NATO was created to check Russian aggression in Europe period all stop everyone found out trying to appease the aggressor doesent work (chamberlain)furthermore nato was created by the likes of Churchill marshal de gall ect ect you know the guys that were shaped by the hell that was WW2. Now I realize that being a New York trust fund baby and getting 400 million and a bunch of rentals from da da is a harrowing experience far greater than Churchill or any of his contemporaries could have possibly faced(sarcasm alert)…… remember BUCHA? Now take a walk in Zelenskyys shoes…..sad ! ahh yes, bucha, just like Assad gassing his own people... take a walk in the shoes of those in donbass who's relatives were murdered by your goverments funded mob. Nato formed agaist Russia, the Soviet Union ended, so should NATO, but then the Yanks double crossed Russia and started expanding nato eastward. 1
jts-khorat Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 5 hours ago, connda said: Good - It's been a gravy-train for too long with the US tax-payers paying for all the gravy. Bring the troops home and put them on the border. A gravy train it has been, but only for the American industrial-military complex. Due to the USA being the strongest member of NATO, there has been pressure to buy American weapons -- to the tune of 100 billion USD a year. This makes the other countries of NATO by far the biggest customer of the US. All the while, there are great European weapons systems, see German defence companies. Their stock have risen over 25% since Trump started to manhandle his "allies" with tariffs. I for one think that the American troops should move out immediatly, and not another unnecessary Euro spent on American weapons. Lets ship them all to Ukraine, where they are scrapped in the process of removing Russians and replace everything new with European systems.
Chomper Higgot Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 6 hours ago, frank83628 said: I'm not 100yrs old, so couldnt care less about either of those, its 2025 And incapable of learning any lessons from those wars.
thaibeachlovers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 15 hours ago, newbee2022 said: Paid by the German Government They would be better paying for their own 35,000 troops, but they probably couldn't find that many willing to join the military without conscription. It's not an attractive career for soft boys that like to play games and look at porn on the internet in mummy's basement.
thaibeachlovers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 58 minutes ago, jts-khorat said: A gravy train it has been, but only for the American industrial-military complex. Due to the USA being the strongest member of NATO, there has been pressure to buy American weapons -- to the tune of 100 billion USD a year. This makes the other countries of NATO by far the biggest customer of the US. All the while, there are great European weapons systems, see German defence companies. Their stock have risen over 25% since Trump started to manhandle his "allies" with tariffs. I for one think that the American troops should move out immediatly, and not another unnecessary Euro spent on American weapons. Lets ship them all to Ukraine, where they are scrapped in the process of removing Russians and replace everything new with European systems. Good idea except we are informed that the Euros and the UK are broke. So what will they cut to fund their own defense forces?
thaibeachlovers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 6 hours ago, frank83628 said: I'm not 100yrs old, so couldnt care less about either of those, its 2025 You should. The world you live in was created by those two events, and those that forget history are condemned to repeat it.
thaibeachlovers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 7 hours ago, wwest5829 said: Like WW I and WW II? Vietnam, Iraq one and two, Afghanistan, and a few in support of a certain country, not forgetting Ukraine.
thaibeachlovers Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 7 hours ago, wwest5829 said: Would that reality saw anyone overpowered by a bigger bully could defend themselves. That said, I do not oppose a stronger Europe. Do you have refl3ction on Orwell’s “1984” where there is three regions of the world … ? IMO we live in 1984, though it's less intrusive so as not to alarm the sheeple.
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