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Who in their right mind would go there as a tourist.......... “I went blank and wrote something like ‘I wish the world peace.’ Afterwards my guide told me that was an inappropriate thing to write"

 

If writing 'I wish the world peace' is inappropriate, what would be appropriate?

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And how do the 'tourists' have contact with the locals except thru their minders/security/tourist guides?

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1 hour ago, mikeymike100 said:

Who in their right mind would go there as a tourist.......... “I went blank and wrote something like ‘I wish the world peace.’ Afterwards my guide told me that was an inappropriate thing to write"

 

If writing 'I wish the world peace' is inappropriate, what would be appropriate?

It's a mysterious country. And on my bucket list to visit within the next 3 years (after my best friend, my dog, will pass away)

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I've been to North Korea, on one of these organised tours before covid.

 

Do not believe the media hype that the country is some bizarre closed off end of the world type living. It's not. It's certainly not a rich country, but by no means poverty you would associate with some African states - and i've seen real poverty in India too.

 

Granted we were on a strict organised tour, but we also had moments we could just wander around. 

 

Don't believe the hype. North Korea, the capital Pyongang is a pretty normal metropolsis - certainly better than the dump of some cities in the UK. 

 

There were plenty of Chinese visitors there. Now here i was thinking North Korea was closed to the world - but nope plenty of Chinese making the crossing from the north into North Korea all the time, be it work, business or to see family. 

 

Of course the political system is crazy, but i've seen nut jobs political systems around the world. The people were very nice, very normal from what we saw. Of course the propoganda shows we were shown were a nonsense. 

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5 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Who in their right mind would go there as a tourist.......... “I went blank and wrote something like ‘I wish the world peace.’ Afterwards my guide told me that was an inappropriate thing to write"

 

If writing 'I wish the world peace' is inappropriate, what would be appropriate?

Long live chairman Kim. 

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2 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

I've been to North Korea, on one of these organised tours before covid.

 

Do not believe the media hype that the country is some bizarre closed off end of the world type living. It's not. It's certainly not a rich country, but by no means poverty you would associate with some African states - and i've seen real poverty in India too.

 

Granted we were on a strict organised tour, but we also had moments we could just wander around. 

 

Don't believe the hype. North Korea, the capital Pyongang is a pretty normal metropolsis - certainly better than the dump of some cities in the UK. 

 

There were plenty of Chinese visitors there. Now here i was thinking North Korea was closed to the world - but nope plenty of Chinese making the crossing from the north into North Korea all the time, be it work, business or to see family. 

 

Of course the political system is crazy, but i've seen nut jobs political systems around the world. The people were very nice, very normal from what we saw. Of course the propoganda shows we were shown were a nonsense. 

What about special massages and bargirls?

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After the Otto Warmbier incident I would be very cautious about travelling to this country - its seems there is no reason to visit whatsoever.... 

 

 

Otto Warmbier, a 22-year-old American student, was prevented from boarding his departing plane and arrested in North Korea in 2016 for allegedly stealing a propaganda poster and sentenced to 15 years of hard labour. After 17 months in detention, he was released in a coma in June 2017 and died shortly after returning to the US. His mistreatment in North Korea led to international condemnation.

 

Ultimately - Iran and North Korea are two places I would never want to go to unless I had a very good reason and I've been to some very ropey places.... 

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42 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

What about special massages and bargirls?

 

I'm sure in a population close to 30 millon prositution goes on. Like i say, the media hype it up to be some sort of hardcore police state with every citizen being watched by 10 men. 

 

It wasn't like that. 

 

Now granted, i'm sure as tourists we were being watched, and they are deeply suspicious. But like i said, we did leave areas to walk around and we got a feel of the capital city. And i caveat that with knowing the other cities may well be dumps, but again we took a coach journey and it seemed all very normal.

 

The media hype and fascination with it is all made up. 

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58 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I'm too political. If I went there a joke could kill me. No thanks.

Please go there in that case.

I'm sure many AN posters would help with a "go to Korea Fund me" page.

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9 hours ago, Social Media said:

Travelers had to abide by strict rules, including refraining from criticizing the country’s leadership, mocking its ideology, or questioning its way of life. They were constantly monitored by government minders and, in some cases, even had to ask permission for basic activities.

 

A lot like the UK under Starmer then...

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On 3/4/2025 at 2:41 PM, DonniePeverley said:

But like i said, we did leave areas to walk around and we got a feel of the capital city.

 

First, this was before COVID, when North Korea was coming off decades of relative openness.

 

Secondly, this was in the capital Pyongyang, which is famously built and maintained to a completely different and much better standard than any other North Korean city and is less likely to embarrass the regime. 

 

Thirdly, the North Koreans living in the capital, far from being "normal" people, are notoriously the most reliable and loyal to the regime.
At the slightest hint of infidelity, they are immediately deported with their families away from Pyongyang, where a life of hardship and misery awaits them. In Pyongyang the regime runs no risk of being embarrassed by the population. 

 

Lastly, in the world there is no lack of idiots who, even when faced with the evidence that a regime represents the absolute evil, believe they are dealing with an absolutely normal regime.

Names of people who fall into this category and who come to mind right now are the Scottish academic and Marxist, and Khmer Rouge apologist, James Alexander Malcolm Caldwell (who deserves the Nobel Prize for Idiocy, should one ever be awarded) and Eric Hobsbawm, a British Marxist historian and lifelong apologist for the Soviet Union, whom Putin would surely appreciate.

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It sounds like not much has changed in 5 years. Tour sounds identical to those I have seen on YouTube and other media over the years. I don't think many people do it twice.

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