In defiance of Trump, I think Nato should put troops on the ground in Ukraine.

[PuiPuiHarry]

On 3/5/2025 at 2:09 PM, tai4de2 said:

The left is willing to incite WW3 because you're still upset about Russia's supposed role in the 2016 election.

 

Get over it already?

IF... than only possible because of THREE reasons: the Yanks are too stupid, too lazy and too ignorent to see the difference between reality and lies.  And looking to the best liar ever "grab them by the pussy" Trump, even a donkey can understand.

[thaibeachlovers]

47 minutes ago, PuiPuiHarry said:

Americans are like ambulance drivers, who ask the victim to sign an debt ( IOU) bill of $ 400.000 first or let him/her perish on the street after a shout-out ( so regular happening in Trump United States).

You Trump haters are amazing in your blind ignorance. That wasn't caused by Trump ( if it actually happens at all ). The US health system has been for profit for a long time. If you want a socialist health system get elected to congress and do something about it.

[thaibeachlovers]

42 minutes ago, PuiPuiHarry said:

IF... than only possible because of THREE reasons: the Yanks are too stupid, too lazy and too ignorent to see the difference between reality and lies.  And looking to the best liar ever "grab them by the pussy" Trump, even a donkey can understand.

Anything to say about the topic?

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, PuiPuiHarry said:

IF... than only possible because of THREE reasons: the Yanks are too stupid, too lazy and too ignorent to see the difference between reality and lies.  And looking to the best liar ever "grab them by the pussy" Trump, even a donkey can understand.

So to clarify, Trump grabbing adult women that want to be grabbed, is worse than a minor attracted person repeatedly arousing and molesting his child daughter in the shower leading her on a path to drug and sex addiction? Thats the Trump vs Biden choice.

I think even the donkey could see one is a million times worse, why cant you?

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It'll certainly be better than if Harris had been in charge.

You really are obsessed with her.

[kingstonkid]

On 3/5/2025 at 5:03 PM, advancebooking said:

Trump and Vance are playing their tit for tat games. 

 

Zelenski hasn't signed away generations of his countries resources. 

 

Why doesn't Nato send 50,000 troops to Ukraine now. Fight and push out Russia. Ukraine's troops leave Russia

 

Putin will not do anything. He's all talk. 

 

Thoughts

First of all, where is NATO going to get 50,000 troops?  I will assume that you are talking about Europe and Canada because the U.S.> government will never allow military boots on he ground in Europe.

 

Also consider that one of the reasons tht we have this war is that some idiot offered to make Ukraine a member of NATO even though it does ot have any land on the North Atlantic.

 

Any move of troops against Russia would be the end of the EU. The end of Germany's government and any other country that is depending on Russia for gas an oil or has a border with Russia.  Believe me, but Putin still has the power and troops to respond to the NATO threat in force.

[MicroB]

26 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

First of all, where is NATO going to get 50,000 troops?  I will assume that you are talking about Europe and Canada because the U.S.> government will never allow military boots on he ground in Europe.

 

I suppose from the 1.5 million Europe currently has.

 

 

 

 

And 150,000 will be needed in total if an Assurance Force is 50,000

[kingstonkid]

12 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

I suppose from the 1.5 million Europe currently has.

 

 

 

 

And 150,000 will be needed in total if an Assurance Force is 50,000

If you have so much and they are so well equipped why does th U.S. have to do so much in Ukraine.   The line that you forget though is that if NATO gets involved in anything other than as a neutral police force that their borders will be available to Russain Soviet attack as Russia will consider it an act of warde and WW# will be on.  Tehrfore you are going to need the forsces at your border as well.

Also will the people in the countries stand for a new war or the expense that it will incur.  

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, Presnock said:

Well moving closer and closer was a two part game - Europe wanting to put up more buffer areas while those closer to Russia wanting some kind of back up to fight Russia from invading them.  Russia is crap iMHO, wanting to garner whatever the neighboring country can provide, be it fertile land, minerals, sea access year round.  Does anyone really think that there is any European country that wants to invade Russia to steal what from them?

It has nothing whatsoever to do with resources, it is all about independence from the Soviet state.  Gorbachev tried to reform Russia but it didn't go the way he envisaged and he was removed from power, the hard liners never went away and now Putin is trying to recover what he can of the Soviet Union. This is why Russia is so against any previous Soviet territory becoming part of NATO.

Ironic that the US took credit for the breakup of the USSR but now want to help Russia.

 

"By the time of the 1985 rise to power of Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet Union’s last leader, the country was in a situation of severe stagnation, with deep economic and political problems which sorely needed to be addressed and overcome. Recognizing this, Gorbachev introduced a two-tiered policy of reform.
On one level, he initiated a policy of glasnost, or freedom of speech. On the other level, he began a program of economic reform known as perestroika, or rebuilding.
What Gorbachev did not realize was that by giving people complete freedom of expression, he was unwittingly unleashing emotions and political feelings that had been pent up for decades, and which proved to be extremely powerful when brought out into the open.
Moreover, his policy of economic reform did not have the immediate results he had hoped for and had publicly predicted.
The Soviet people consequently used their newly allotted freedom of speech to criticize Gorbachev for his failure to improve the economy.
The disintegration of the Soviet Union began on the peripheries, in the non-Russian areas.
The first region to produce mass, organized dissent was the Baltic region, where, in 1987, the government of Estonia demanded autonomy.
This move was later followed by similar moves in Lithuania and Latvia, the other two Baltic republics.
The nationalist movements in the Baltics constituted a strong challenge to Gorbachev’s policy of glasnost.
He did not want to crack down too severely on the participants in these movements, yet at the same time, it became increasingly evident that allowing them to run their course would spell disaster for the Soviet Union, which would completely collapse if all of the periphery republics were to demand independence.
After the initiative from Estonia, similar movements sprang up all over the former Soviet Union.
In the Transcaucasus region (in the South of the Soviet Union), a movement developed inside the Armenian-populated autonomous region of Nagorno-Karabagh, in the Republic of Azerbaijan.
The Armenian population of this region demanded that they be granted the right to secede and join the Republic of Armenia, with whose population they were ethnically linked.
Massive demonstrations were held in Armenia in solidarity with the secessionists in Nagorno-Karabagh.
The Gorbachev government refused to allow the population of Nagorno-Karabagh to secede, and the situation developed into a violent territorial dispute, eventually degenerating into an all-out war that continues unabated until the present day.
Once this “Pandora’s box” had been opened, nationalist movements emerged in Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Byelorussia, and the Central Asian republics.
The power of the Central Government was considerably weakened by these movements; they could no longer rely on the cooperation of Government figures in the republics.
Finally, the situation came to a head in August of 1991.
In a last-ditch effort to save the Soviet Union, which was floundering under the impact of the political movements which had emerged since the implementation of Gorbachev’s glasnost, a group of “hard-line” Communists organized a coup d’etat."
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/fall-soviet-union-in-pictures-1991/

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Thank you Doctor Sandyf, however, if you look at Ukraine, Russia can't even invade all of Ukraine. So let's maybe dial down the fantasies of Russia invading large parts of Europe, eh?

Delusional modern day thinking is that everything can happen overnight, Trump claimed he would end the war in 24 hours.

The facts of life are that empire creation, or rebuilding, is a long term plan, the US started in the 1700s.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, stevenl said:

You really are obsessed with her.

Less than you are with Trump.

[thaibeachlovers]

43 minutes ago, sandyf said:

It has nothing whatsoever to do with resources, it is all about independence from the Soviet state.  Gorbachev tried to reform Russia but it didn't go the way he envisaged and he was removed from power, the hard liners never went away and now Putin is trying to recover what he can of the Soviet Union. This is why Russia is so against any previous Soviet territory becoming part of NATO.

Ironic that the US took credit for the breakup of the USSR but now want to help Russia.

 

"By the time of the 1985 rise to power of Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet Union’s last leader, the country was in a situation of severe stagnation, with deep economic and political problems which sorely needed to be addressed and overcome. Recognizing this, Gorbachev introduced a two-tiered policy of reform.
On one level, he initiated a policy of glasnost, or freedom of speech. On the other level, he began a program of economic reform known as perestroika, or rebuilding.
What Gorbachev did not realize was that by giving people complete freedom of expression, he was unwittingly unleashing emotions and political feelings that had been pent up for decades, and which proved to be extremely powerful when brought out into the open.
Moreover, his policy of economic reform did not have the immediate results he had hoped for and had publicly predicted.
The Soviet people consequently used their newly allotted freedom of speech to criticize Gorbachev for his failure to improve the economy.
The disintegration of the Soviet Union began on the peripheries, in the non-Russian areas.
The first region to produce mass, organized dissent was the Baltic region, where, in 1987, the government of Estonia demanded autonomy.
This move was later followed by similar moves in Lithuania and Latvia, the other two Baltic republics.
The nationalist movements in the Baltics constituted a strong challenge to Gorbachev’s policy of glasnost.
He did not want to crack down too severely on the participants in these movements, yet at the same time, it became increasingly evident that allowing them to run their course would spell disaster for the Soviet Union, which would completely collapse if all of the periphery republics were to demand independence.
After the initiative from Estonia, similar movements sprang up all over the former Soviet Union.
In the Transcaucasus region (in the South of the Soviet Union), a movement developed inside the Armenian-populated autonomous region of Nagorno-Karabagh, in the Republic of Azerbaijan.
The Armenian population of this region demanded that they be granted the right to secede and join the Republic of Armenia, with whose population they were ethnically linked.
Massive demonstrations were held in Armenia in solidarity with the secessionists in Nagorno-Karabagh.
The Gorbachev government refused to allow the population of Nagorno-Karabagh to secede, and the situation developed into a violent territorial dispute, eventually degenerating into an all-out war that continues unabated until the present day.
Once this “Pandora’s box” had been opened, nationalist movements emerged in Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, Byelorussia, and the Central Asian republics.
The power of the Central Government was considerably weakened by these movements; they could no longer rely on the cooperation of Government figures in the republics.
Finally, the situation came to a head in August of 1991.
In a last-ditch effort to save the Soviet Union, which was floundering under the impact of the political movements which had emerged since the implementation of Gorbachev’s glasnost, a group of “hard-line” Communists organized a coup d’etat."
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/fall-soviet-union-in-pictures-1991/

Gorbachev was a fantasist that imagined he could do away with the "old" Russia, and was proven wrong. The only sane thing he did was pulling out of Afghanistan, which was never going to be defeated, by Russia, the Soviet Union or the Europeans/ US.

[black tabby12345]

On 3/5/2025 at 5:03 PM, advancebooking said:

Trump and Vance are playing their tit for tat games. 

 

Zelenski hasn't signed away generations of his countries resources. 

 

Why doesn't Nato send 50,000 troops to Ukraine now. Fight and push out Russia. Ukraine's troops leave Russia

 

Putin will not do anything. He's all talk. 

 

Thoughts

 

Former NATO commander(Wesly Clark, US general) insisted that NATO should provide UA with Air Support.

 

 

[Presnock]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Delusional modern day thinking is that everything can happen overnight, Trump claimed he would end the war in 24 hours.

The facts of life are that empire creation, or rebuilding, is a long term plan, the US started in the 1700s.

seemed like the US made it then lost the leaders and will of the people to continue IMHO of course but since WWII/Korea each generation was spoiled and afraid until we now have the woke, several genders of people all religions seem to be fading too except for ISLAM and too many of that are radicalized so peace will become rarer and rarer.   At the same time weather definitely seems to be changing around the world and not sure how bad it will become.  The future to me anyway is almost nonexistent but for my kids I worry as they too are spoiled and ignorant of what is to come.

[bogozy]

On 3/5/2025 at 5:03 PM, advancebooking said:

Trump and Vance are playing their tit for tat games. 

 

Zelenski hasn't signed away generations of his countries resources. 

 

Why doesn't Nato send 50,000 troops to Ukraine now. Fight and push out Russia. Ukraine's troops leave Russia

 

Putin will not do anything. He's all talk. 

 

Thoughts

Ukraina no NATO member state.

There was war, from 2014 coup, Till 2022.

Eight years, 13.000 dead, 4x injured.

Nobody show sorrow for the massacred  russians minority.