Ukrainian forces lose access to Maxar satellite

[impulse]

30 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

MAGA idiots seriously think they can be friends with Putin. Good luck to you, imbeciles!

 

There's a lot of room on the continuum between best bud and sworn enemy. 

 

I think most MAGAs want the dying to stop, the atomic doomsday clock to get ratcheted back a few minutes, the rebuilding to begin and for the Euros to quit freezing because they can't afford energy.

 

[impulse]

8 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

The war started by Russia annexing Crimea in March 2014… Prior to this open act of aggression there was no any violence in Donbass, it was one of the most peaceful places on planet Earth. Educate yourself.

 
You need to watch Oliver Stone's "Ukraine on Fire".  He produced it in 2016.  That part of Ukraine was anything but peaceful.  Ethnic Russians were being murdered in droves.

 

While you're watching, take notes and then Google the events he mentions.  I'm not a big Oliver Stone documentary fan, but he got a lot right.

 

[Harrisfan]

45 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

MAGA idiots seriously think they can be friends with Putin. Good luck to you, imbeciles!

Always name calling. No facts. 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Have the Ukrainian indicated they want to surrender - NO.

Sooooo, every death between now and when they do surrender negotiate an end to the conflict is on them.

[transam]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, every death between now and when they do surrender negotiate an end to the conflict is on them.

Surrender, where did you get that from, the same way you got, "I will end it in 24 hours"..........🤭

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

To repeat, trump is a traitor to Western democratic ideals.

In your opinion. In mine he's doing the right thing by forcing the one that has said he won't negotiate to do so. Putin already said he is willing to negotiate. Well past time to stop the killing when Ukraine is losing.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Hellfire said:

MAGA idiots seriously think they can be friends with Putin. Good luck to you, imbeciles!

Because being hostile has worked out really well for the Ukrainians so far.

The imbecile is the person that virtue signals with a Ukraine flag profile

[tgw]

19 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Because being hostile has worked out really well for the Ukrainians so far.

The imbecile is the person that virtue signals with a Ukraine flag profile

hi 🙂

[simple1]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, every death between now and when they do surrender negotiate an end to the conflict is on them.

 

No. Russia is the aggressor, it's for Russia to pull out from a sovereign country territory, though we know it not going to happen whilst trump is supporting Russia.

[simple1]

7 hours ago, frank83628 said:

And Why have Russia been an enemy? They lost more men then every other nation fighting Hitler and tet they do they get any gratitude from ••••s ?

Go and watch Oliver stones 'history of the US', you see there why the hostility toward Russia exists, and spoiler...  it wasnt Russia doing.

 

 

Churchill gave some advantages to USSR at Yalta and prior. Stalin occupied a number of countries, contrary to agreements to hand back (remember Iron Curtain). Sure terrible number of casualties mainly due to Stalin's tactics. But this OP is not about WW11 so no more from me on this matter.

[mogandave]

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

No. Russia is the aggressor, it's for Russia to pull out from a sovereign country territory, though we know it not going to happen whilst trump is supporting Russia.

It is for Russia to pull out. 

 

Though we know it did not happen for three years whilst biden supported Ukraine. 

 

Remember Biden cancelled the Trump approved Javelin missile shipments to Ukraine. 

 

Biden also lifted the sanctions Trump had imposed on Russia. 

 

All to appease Putin….

 

 

[mogandave]

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Churchill gave some advantages to USSR at Yalta and prior. Stalin occupied a number of countries, contrary to agreements to hand back (remember Iron Curtain). Sure terrible number of casualties mainly due to Stalin's tactics. But this OP is not about WW11 so no more from me on this matter.

FDR was the true Stalin lover.

[frank83628]

28 minutes ago, tgw said:

hi 🙂

Have you got your Taiwanese flag downloaded, ready to go?

[frank83628]

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Churchill gave some advantages to USSR at Yalta and prior. Stalin occupied a number of countries, contrary to agreements to hand back (remember Iron Curtain). Sure terrible number of casualties mainly due to Stalin's tactics. But this OP is not about WW11 so no more from me on this matter.

You brought up 80yrs of NWO

 

28 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

No. Russia is the aggressor, it's for Russia to pull out from a sovereign country territory, though we know it not going to happen whilst trump is supporting Russia.

No, its not going to happen, it could possibly have been avoided back in April 22 with the peace talks that had been arranged, . But the Zman was given assurances by Biden inc that  they'd back him 'until the last ukranian', never imagining Trump would win in 24, now its totally FUBAR'd the whole situation.

Trump campaigned on ending the war and the nonstop flow of aid. You're all mad at trump saying he is caving  to Putin without accepting that it was a non winner for Ukraine anyway, you shod be mad at those that lied to zelensky and the media that lied to you repeatedly, but you're not you're mad at the guy that wants to END the war..

 

DJTDS at the highest levels

[MicroB]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Its not surrendering, its called admitting defeat, easy for you to be pro war from your keyboard why Russians & Ukranians are actually dying.

 

Should the British have admitted defeat after Dunkirk?

 

Surrendering is admitting defeat. You want Ukraine to capitulate unconditionally and come under the Russian yoke.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, MicroB said:

 

Should the British have admitted defeat after Dunkirk?

 

Surrendering is admitting defeat. You want Ukraine to capitulate unconditionally and come under the Russian yoke.

Up to them but they can fund any wars.

[Jimjim1]

7 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

USSR was an ally in ww2. The western left has blood on their hands in this war.

Yes it was and I will tell you why, entirely without prejudice, it was because Stalin knew that by committing all of his forces and telling them they could rape and pillage every country they went through to push the Germans back they would do it and he would subsequently gain rule over all of Eastern Europe forcing communism on all of it which latterly became the iron curtain, all of this is evidenced by the sectioning of Germany east and west.

Stalin was a gross serial murderer sending millions to there deaths in the gulags both before and after WW2 but the west did a deal with him largely because it had to in order to gain some stability in an already exhausted Europe, and as history will tell you if you choose to read it correctly that, that was the only reason Stalin became an ally, which abruptly ended as soon as the East West divide was signed.

It is a sad statement to make but President Chump although not quite there yet is isolating America from the rest of the world and causing severe and strong hatred by his despotic signing of executive orders in a willy nilly fashion without considering any of the consequences.

He runs around spouting that he will make America great again completely forgetting that 98% of any technology, tools and anything else one cares to think about comes from the one country that America should be heavily concerned about and if he thinks that a stupid tariff will deter them he should think again.

Don’t believe me? Well consider this while President Chump has been running around like a headless chicken that country has just laid overall claim to the last undiscovered area of this planet 6,000 feet down on the seabed, suck on that if you dare.

Of course we must not forget his immature unelected sidekick who is holding the stings of puppetry over the chump and working them for all his worth.

I feel happy to be the age that I am largely because I fear for the world when the once great country of America is finally brought to it’s knees by a bullying despot more interested in doing deals than helping to protect the world.

It should be remembered that a very big part of Americas greatness was in it’s willingness to protect, and from that came the great technological advances it made over the years since WW2.

God rest America the land of the free, well, for now anyway.

                                   All of the above is entirely without prejudice 

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Should the British have admitted defeat after Dunkirk?

 

Surrendering is admitting defeat. You want Ukraine to capitulate unconditionally and come under the Russian yoke.

Don't care about WW2, its history.

Putin..doest want all of Ukriane, never did, if you listened to other news the the MSM BBC etc youd know that by now. He has the East, that was the goal, end of.

[MicroB]

25 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You brought up 80yrs of NWO

 

No, its not going to happen, it could possibly have been avoided back in April 22 with the peace talks that had been arranged, . But the Zman was given assurances by Biden inc that  they'd back him 'until the last ukranian', never imagining Trump would win in 24, now its totally FUBAR'd the whole situation.

Trump campaigned on ending the war and the nonstop flow of aid. You're all mad at trump saying he is caving  to Putin without accepting that it was a non winner for Ukraine anyway, you shod be mad at those that lied to zelensky and the media that lied to you repeatedly, but you're not you're mad at the guy that wants to END the war..

 

DJTDS at the highest levels

 

We should all be mad at Vladimir Putin, and express a wish, after due process, that he will be taken to a place of execution and there hanged by his neck until his is dead. I don't mind if that's in Red Square. I also don't mind if he meets the same fate as Beria.

 

Where stand you on Putin; villain or hero?

 

Its beyond doubt he is a war criminal with Nuremburg levels of culpability.

[MicroB]

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Up to them but they can fund any wars.

 

Luckily the British didn't surrender, otherwise you would be speaking German now, and eating sauerkraut for breakfast.

 

The Americans call the French "Cheese Eating Surrender MOnkeys", and the British joked about how many reverse gears an Italian tank has. We have a new meme. Republican Runaways.

 

Pax Americana has been of enormous benefit for your mob, but it seems you welcome the Russians as your new masters. Or, in fact, are you a Sinophile? Pax Americana didn't happen because the US had the biggest economy. The US had the biggest economy because of Pax Americana.

 

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Luckily the British didn't surrender, otherwise you would be speaking German now, and eating sauerkraut for breakfast.

 

The Americans call the French "Cheese Eating Surrender MOnkeys", and the British joked about how many reverse gears an Italian tank has. We have a new meme. Republican Runaways.

 

Pax Americana has been of enormous benefit for your mob, but it seems you welcome the Russians as your new masters. Or, in fact, are you a Sinophile? Pax Americana didn't happen because the US had the biggest economy. The US had the biggest economy because of Pax Americana.

 

I don't care about the Brits. They paid back the Lend Lease loans though. Ukraine was part of USSR. Same basic Slavs, little bit different. Not the same really. It's like England vs Scotland.

 

 

[MicroB]

10 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Don't care.... history.

 

Then I am discussing with a self confessed and gullible ignoramus with zero appreciation of her parents.

[MicroB]

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I don't care about the Brits. They paid back the Lend Lease loans though. Ukraine was part of USSR. Same basic Slavs, little bit different. Not the same really. It's like England vs Scotland.

 

 

 

Another from the generation who hate their parents/grandparents, and skipped school.

[Harrisfan]

21 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

We should all be mad at Vladimir Putin, and express a wish, after due process, that he will be taken to a place of execution and there hanged by his neck until his is dead. I don't mind if that's in Red Square. I also don't mind if he meets the same fate as Beria.

 

Where stand you on Putin; villain or hero?

 

Its beyond doubt he is a war criminal with Nuremburg levels of culpability.

Lots of Russians love him. Not the same as Hitler and Mussolini who were hated at war end. 

 

Eastern Ukraine should be Russia. Draw up new border. War over.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, MicroB said:

 

Another from the generation who hate their parents/grandparents, and skipped school.

Skipped school? More educated than most. They are mostly eastern Slavs. Similar people like Scots and English. Draw up new border all over. Ukraine is a made up country.

[NoDisplayName]

23 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Can all be avoided by signing a peace deal. Could have happened back in 2022, Blame Binden inc for purpoesly prolonging the war.

 

Could all have been avoided by implementing the Minsk agreements.

 

Or heck, just avoid the whole damn thing by not regime-changing the legitimately-elected government.  If NATO hadn't gotten greedy, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine, and the Soviets would still be paying the lease on Sevastopol.

[Mike_Hunt]

36 minutes ago, Jimjim1 said:

Yes it was and I will tell you why, entirely without prejudice, it was because Stalin knew that by committing all of his forces and telling them they could rape and pillage every country they went through to push the Germans back they would do it and he would subsequently gain rule over all of Eastern Europe forcing communism on all of it which latterly became the iron curtain, all of this is evidenced by the sectioning of Germany east and west.

Stalin was a gross serial murderer sending millions to there deaths in the gulags both before and after WW2 but the west did a deal with him largely because it had to in order to gain some stability in an already exhausted Europe, and as history will tell you if you choose to read it correctly that, that was the only reason Stalin became an ally, which abruptly ended as soon as the East West divide was signed.

It is a sad statement to make but President Chump although not quite there yet is isolating America from the rest of the world and causing severe and strong hatred by his despotic signing of executive orders in a willy nilly fashion without considering any of the consequences.

He runs around spouting that he will make America great again completely forgetting that 98% of any technology, tools and anything else one cares to think about comes from the one country that America should be heavily concerned about and if he thinks that a stupid tariff will deter them he should think again.

Don’t believe me? Well consider this while President Chump has been running around like a headless chicken that country has just laid overall claim to the last undiscovered area of this planet 6,000 feet down on the seabed, suck on that if you dare.

Of course we must not forget his immature unelected sidekick who is holding the stings of puppetry over the chump and working them for all his worth.

I feel happy to be the age that I am largely because I fear for the world when the once great country of America is finally brought to it’s knees by a bullying despot more interested in doing deals than helping to protect the world.

It should be remembered that a very big part of Americas greatness was in it’s willingness to protect, and from that came the great technological advances it made over the years since WW2.

God rest America the land of the free, well, for now anyway.

                                   All of the above is entirely without prejudice 

 

Go <deleted> yourself.   Let the people of Europe deal with this war in Europe. 

[Mike_Hunt]

Its time for the people of Europe to put on their big-boy pants and deal with Russia.   Europe has a GDP of 28 trillion and Russia has a GDP of 2.0 trillion.  Europeans are lame. 

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Its time for the people of Europe to put on their big-boy pants and deal with Russia.   Europe has a GDP of 28 trillion and Russia has a GDP of 2.0 trillion.  Europeans are lame. 

Fair point. They should be able to win easily otherwise sign a deal done.

[NoDisplayName]

33 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Don't care about WW2, its history.

Putin..doest want all of Ukriane, never did, if you listened to other news the the MSM BBC etc youd know that by now. He has the East, that was the goal, end of.

 

No, that was not the goal.

 

Minsk and Minsk-2 would have kept the Donbass and the other new Russian territories as part of a Ukranian federal republic with limited autonomy.

 

Putin practically begged the western powers to implement Minsk, but ethnic cleansing had to continue.  Zelensky, Macron, Merkel and Poroshenko all admitted Minsk was a stalling tactic used to flood Ukraine with game changing wunder waffles.

 

And now they think Putin is going to sign Minsk-3 allowing NATO (western european) troops in as peacekeepers....