Betrayed Warriors: The SAS Veterans Facing Legal Persecution

[JAG]

On 3/11/2025 at 9:54 AM, KhunLA said:

Reads like they murdered 4 civilians, suspected of a crime, without due process.  Unless they were pointing a weapon at them, or in danger, did they have the right to kill the 4 civilians.   What were their 'rules of engagement'.

 

While shooing at the building, did they actually kill or harm anyone ?   Were the 4 that were killed, even involved with shooting up the building ?

 

Does seem excessive force was used, along with, the SAS were not in danger or being shot at.

 

 

The Police Station (known in Northern Ireland as Police Barracks) was attacked with a very large bomb carried in the front bucket of a digger, which breached the security fence. The expectation was that there would be policemen in the building. The remains of the building were then machine gunned with a Soviet 12.7mm machine gun ( the equivalent of a .50 Browning machine gun). The bullets from that weapon would have passed through the building and carried on for hundreds of metres with sufficient velocity to further penetrate buildings and kill. There were a number of dwellings near the Police Barracks.

 

The 4 dead PIRA were loading the 12.7mm MG into a van to escape when they were hit. 

 

The rules for opening fire were strict, but they allowed soldiers to fire when the terrorists were clearly armed, and were preparing to fire, firing or had just fired and were carrying the weapons.

 

The "East Tyrone Brigade" had been responsible for a number of attacks, including, regularly, the murder of off duty policemen and soldiers, and of course many civilians. They had carried out several "spectaculars", Loughgall was their last one. They were caught.

 

There is a phrase -" big boy's rules".

[KhunLA]

36 minutes ago, JAG said:

The Police Station (known in Northern Ireland as Police Barracks) was attacked with a very large bomb carried in the front bucket of a digger, which breached the security fence. The expectation was that there would be policemen in the building. The remains of the building were then machine gunned with a Soviet 12.7mm machine gun ( the equivalent of a .50 Browning machine gun). The bullets from that weapon would have passed through the building and carried on for hundreds of metres with sufficient velocity to further penetrate buildings and kill. There were a number of dwellings near the Police Barracks.

 

The 4 dead PIRA were loading the 12.7mm MG into a van to escape when they were hit. 

 

The rules for opening fire were strict, but they allowed soldiers to fire when the terrorists were clearly armed, and were preparing to fire, firing or had just fired and were carrying the weapons.

 

The "East Tyrone Brigade" had been responsible for a number of attacks, including, regularly, the murder of off duty policemen and soldiers, and of course many civilians. They had carried out several "spectaculars", Loughgall was their last one. They were caught.

 

There is a phrase -" big boy's rules".

I read a different report, which I did link earlier.   Might want to give that a read.

 

And yes, nice 50 cal that they used to shoot up the building.  

... "The DShK is a belt-fed machine gun firing the 12.7×108mm cartridge, and uses a butterfly trigger. Firing at 600 rounds per minute, it has an effective range of 2.4 km (1+1⁄2 mi), and can penetrate up to 20 mm of armor up to a range of 500 m." ... 

 

Paraphrased from link below, and very different from your account.

 

... "The men then fled the scene to a rendezvous’ point in the car park of St Patrick’s Church where their getaway team were waiting. En route in the stolen lorry they passed the home of Tony Doris one of their fellow volunteers who had been shot and killed the previous year.  There they stopped and celebrated their success by firing into the air and shouting “Up the IRA”.  Their celebrations were short lived.  Also waiting around the churchyard were soldiers from an undercover unit from the British Army who opened fire, killing the four volunteers; Peter Clancy, Kevin O’Donnell, Sean O’Farrell and Patrick Vincent.  It was acknowledged that the volunteers were “on active duty” at the time of their deaths; indeed, a plaque commemorating the four men describes their fate as “killed on active service by British Forces”.  In addition to the four men other civilians were present; Three are identified by the Coroner as Aiden McKeever, Kevin Coney and Martin Woods.  Two others, identified as CC1 and CC2 declined to give evidence. CC1 was shot and wounded but denied those wounds were inflicted in the car park.  CC2 also received a gunshot wound.  Both CC1 and CC2 fled to County Monaghan.  Martin Woods and Aiden McKeever were shot and wounded. The British soldiers fired approximately 570 rounds. Although the soldiers had claimed that the IRA team had opened fire the coroner, who is also a High Court judge, ruled that this claim was “demonstrably untrue”. In his record of the evidence it is stated that one soldier, Soldier H, suffered a facial injury caused by a bullet from a ricochet from a round fired by another soldier.  This account is a brief summary of what was, albeit short, a fast unfolding incident."

 

Link I posted earlier ... 

https://nationalsecuritynews.com/2025/02/one-law-for-them-are-the-sas-victims-of-a-witch-hunt-brigadier-retd-phil-mcevoy-obe-a-former-head-of-operational-law-in-the-british-army-gives-his-view/

 

 

[mrwebb8825]

On 3/10/2025 at 7:03 PM, Social Media said:

This officer points to a fundamental “displacement between decision-makers and the delivery end.” He believes that politicians and military leaders must fully comprehend the implications of sending soldiers into conflict zones. “Leaders that truly take time to understand their decisions to go to war or join coalitions would understand what they are asking people to do. That often means killing people, especially for the special forces, and this was the case in Northern Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan. If you are going to tell people to carry out those operations, then the government must make sure they are properly protected months and years down the road – otherwise you’ll end up with no one wanting to do it.”

This is "Beyond The Pale" and absolutely disgusting, speaking as a bredren.

They should apply for asylum in the US. In about 6 months there are going to be job openings for them as "Security" for American mining companies in Ukraine. Their job would remain the same but the pay would go up 20 fold. Bet that would improve their recruitment. 😁

[roo860]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I read a different report, which I did link earlier.   Might want to give that a read.

 

And yes, nice 50 cal that they used to shoot up the building.  

... "The DShK is a belt-fed machine gun firing the 12.7×108mm cartridge, and uses a butterfly trigger. Firing at 600 rounds per minute, it has an effective range of 2.4 km (1+1⁄2 mi), and can penetrate up to 20 mm of armor up to a range of 500 m." ... 

 

Paraphrased from link below, and very different from your account.

 

... "The men then fled the scene to a rendezvous’ point in the car park of St Patrick’s Church where their getaway team were waiting. En route in the stolen lorry they passed the home of Tony Doris one of their fellow volunteers who had been shot and killed the previous year.  There they stopped and celebrated their success by firing into the air and shouting “Up the IRA”.  Their celebrations were short lived.  Also waiting around the churchyard were soldiers from an undercover unit from the British Army who opened fire, killing the four volunteers; Peter Clancy, Kevin O’Donnell, Sean O’Farrell and Patrick Vincent.  It was acknowledged that the volunteers were “on active duty” at the time of their deaths; indeed, a plaque commemorating the four men describes their fate as “killed on active service by British Forces”.  In addition to the four men other civilians were present; Three are identified by the Coroner as Aiden McKeever, Kevin Coney and Martin Woods.  Two others, identified as CC1 and CC2 declined to give evidence. CC1 was shot and wounded but denied those wounds were inflicted in the car park.  CC2 also received a gunshot wound.  Both CC1 and CC2 fled to County Monaghan.  Martin Woods and Aiden McKeever were shot and wounded. The British soldiers fired approximately 570 rounds. Although the soldiers had claimed that the IRA team had opened fire the coroner, who is also a High Court judge, ruled that this claim was “demonstrably untrue”. In his record of the evidence it is stated that one soldier, Soldier H, suffered a facial injury caused by a bullet from a ricochet from a round fired by another soldier.  This account is a brief summary of what was, albeit short, a fast unfolding incident."

 

Link I posted earlier ... 

https://nationalsecuritynews.com/2025/02/one-law-for-them-are-the-sas-victims-of-a-witch-hunt-brigadier-retd-phil-mcevoy-obe-a-former-head-of-operational-law-in-the-british-army-gives-his-view/

 

 

Don't mess with the SAS