Democrats Face Backlash for Supporting Arrested Palestinian Activist Mahmoud Khalil

[suzannegoh]

On 3/14/2025 at 7:35 AM, novacova said:

Non US citizens in the US don’t have to be charged with a crime to be arrested and deported.

But the matter does have to go before a judge.

[6Hugh_Janus9]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I am certainly asking you to justify all your claims with the relevant pieces of evidence. Factual claims  need links as per forum rules

1. He was not served a warrant
   1. This breaks the Fourth Amendment
2. His citizenship was revoked without due process
   1. This breaks the Fifth Amendment

I've broken it into its bare essentials for you, as reading is not your strong suit.

Do you want links to sources that say he wasn't served a warrant? Because we both know you already knew that.

Do you want a link to the Fourth Amendment? You should already know what that entails for someone who wants to appear so well-rounded in the law.

You are deeply insincere in the worst ways. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, 6Hugh_Janus9 said:

1. He was not served a warrant
   1. This breaks the Fourth Amendment
2. His citizenship was revoked without due process
   1. This breaks the Fifth Amendment

I've broken it into its bare essentials for you, as reading is not your strong suit.

Do you want links to sources that say he wasn't served a warrant? Because we both know you already knew that.

Do you want a link to the Fourth Amendment? You should already know what that entails for someone who wants to appear so well-rounded in the law.

You are deeply insincere in the worst ways. 

 

 

Rubbish, he does not need to commit a crime to be arrested so no warrant needed. His immigration status is going through due process as right now.

[6Hugh_Janus9]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Rubbish, he does not need to commit a crime to be arrested

These are factual claims that I will need a link and a source to according to forum rules. This is more loaded and in-depth than what the Fourth Amendment in the Bill of Rights entails.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

His immigration status is going through due process as right now.

His immigration status was already revoked without due process. You and I both know that the reason he is being held from deportation by a NY judge is because of this. Simply checking to see if he is a permanent resident is not due process; a computer can see if a checkbox is filled or not before deportation.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, 6Hugh_Janus9 said:

These are factual claims that I will need a link and a source to according to forum rules. This is more loaded and in-depth than what the Fourth Amendment in the Bill of Rights entails.

His immigration status was already revoked without due process. You and I both know that the reason he is being held from deportation by a NY judge is because of this. Simply checking to see if he is a permanent resident is not due process; a computer can see if a checkbox is filled or not before deportation.

Already plenty of links to the claims in previous posts, how can it be already revoked when the judge has not made a decision yet?

 

Can you provide a link to the claim it was revoked without due process?

[suzannegoh]

On 3/14/2025 at 9:31 AM, 300sd said:

You may want to try and understand the difference between free speech and hate speech.

I'd like to understand that too.  In the US law, is there any distinction between the two?

[cjinchiangrai]

2 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

I'd like to understand that too.  In the US law, is there any distinction between the two?

Yes there is but the hate speech threat needs to be specific and imminent.

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The topic here:

 

Democrats Face Backlash for Supporting Arrested Palestinian Activist Mahmoud Khalil

 

 

[suzannegoh]

52 minutes ago, thesetat said:

From what I understand. His green card was issued based on his Visa then marriage. The argument is now that he did not state his affiliation or support with the Hamas terrorist group during his time with a visa hence making the green card invalid. 

That's probably the best angle that the government has. That's the reason that the Green Card application includes questions like "have you ever been affiliated with a terrorist group".  Of course everyone will answer "no" but later having lied in answering that question can be used as a reason to rescind the Green Card.

[suzannegoh]

27 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Yes there is but the hate speech threat needs to be specific and imminent.

That's making threats against a specific person.  Hate speech is usually defined to be things like Holocaust denial or calling for blacks to be put back into slavery.

[cjinchiangrai]

5 minutes ago, suzannegoh said:

That's making threats against a specific person.  Hate speech is usually defined to be things like Holocaust denial or calling for blacks to be put back into slavery.

True but that has been protected in cautious courts. Where do you draw the line?

[Nick Carter icp]

30 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

True but that has been protected in cautious courts. Where do you draw the line?

 

   I would leave it up to Trump to decide where that line is drawn .

In Trump we Trust 

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I would leave it up to Trump to decide where that line is drawn .

In Trump we Trust 

I would not trust that moron with anything.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

I would not trust that moron with anything.

 

   Would you allow people with links to Hamas the terrorist group who are linked to USA's enemy Iran , whom the USA may be going to war with soon ,

   Those people who barricade themselves into University classrooms and make demands to leave and those who attack USA minority citizens on campuses and cause a disruption to others education  .

   Should they be allowed to remain in the USA ?

[Evil Penevil]

Here's the Hamas pamphlet that Khalil among others passed out  during the takeover of a building at Bernhard College.  Note that it's not a pamphlet that's merely ABOUT Hamas, but a pamphlet that was issued BY Hamas.  It bears the Hamas emblem and the words, "Hamas Media Office."   It's reasonable to believe that distributing official Hamas publications amounts to support of a terrorist group.

 

 

Link to the full pamphlet:  https://www.palestinechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PDF.pdf

Background story from the Hamas perspective:  https://www.palestinechronicle.com/hamas-document-reveals-why-we-we-carried-out-al-aqsa-flood-operation-summary-pdf/

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Would you allow people with links to Hamas the terrorist group who are linked to USA's enemy Iran , whom the USA may be going to war with soon ,

   Those people who barricade themselves into University classrooms and make demands to leave and those who attack USA minority citizens on campuses and cause a disruption to others education  .

   Should they be allowed to remain in the USA ?

After evidence is presented. That has not happened, just innuendo.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

After evidence is presented. That has not happened, just innuendo.

 

   He was highly involved in the protests and barricades , he was the lead negotiator when conversing with the Uni .

   Thats all the evidence that you need right there 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

We'll have to wait and see. And, no matter what the judge rules, I don't consider speaking out for or passing out fliers that support any group of any kind to be "material support"

 

Alarming that you think this applies even when the group being supported is a designated terrorist organisation; not however surprising, because despite being an American, you appear to be anti-American, in fact, anti-Western civilisation, and vehemently pro-Islam.

 

You seem happy to continually prioritise defending the rights of terrorist supporters, against the interests, security, and welfare of ordinary American citizens; that such an excellent education system can produce somebody with your ideologies should be a warning to us all.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

After evidence is presented. That has not happened, just innuendo.

They literally filmed themselves doing it................

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Here's the Hamas pamphlet that Khalil among others passed out  during the takeover of a building at Bernhard College.  Note that it's not a pamphlet that's merely ABOUT Hamas, but a pamphlet that was issued BY Hamas.  It bears the Hamas emblem and the words, "Hamas Media Office."   It's reasonable to believe that distributing official Hamas publications amounts to support of a terrorist group.

 

 

Link to the full pamphlet:  https://www.palestinechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PDF.pdf

Background story from the Hamas perspective:  https://www.palestinechronicle.com/hamas-document-reveals-why-we-we-carried-out-al-aqsa-flood-operation-summary-pdf/

“It's reasonable to believe that distributing official Hamas publications amounts to support of a terrorist group.”

 

So are you also guilty of disseminating Hamas propaganda and if so, which seems self evident, does your conclusion apply to yourself?

 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

I would be on the others side of the barricade .

But I do agree with the second slogan , *No dialogue*, just instant deportation 

[SLOWHAND225]

On 3/14/2025 at 8:30 AM, bamnutsak said:

 

Not charged? Check.

 

Activist = "Serious" threat to national security. 

 

 

That's your "opinion"? Right?

 

 

Maybe better to try invoking the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798 ( and the Alien Enemies Act )?

 

Last used, to great shame, to incarcerate Japanese-American citizens (among others) during WW2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not even close to the same thing but you knew that.
Can you be any more dramatic ?

[Evil Penevil]

This is what support for Hamas looks like in the U.S.  It goes waaaaay beyond freedom of speech. Note the part where a protester says "You Jewish m*therf*cker!  We are going to kill all of you."  He didn't say Zionist or Israeli, but Jewish.  And I'm sure he meant it.

 

 

 

 

 

[cjinchiangrai]

37 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   He was highly involved in the protests and barricades , he was the lead negotiator when conversing with the Uni .

   Thats all the evidence that you need right there 

Except none of that is illegal or a threat to the US.

[flexomike]

2 hours ago, 6Hugh_Janus9 said:

1. He was not served a warrant
   1. This breaks the Fourth Amendment
2. His citizenship was revoked without due process
   1. This breaks the Fifth Amendment

I've broken it into its bare essentials for you, as reading is not your strong suit.

Do you want links to sources that say he wasn't served a warrant? Because we both know you already knew that.

Do you want a link to the Fourth Amendment? You should already know what that entails for someone who wants to appear so well-rounded in the law.

You are deeply insincere in the worst ways. 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“It's reasonable to believe that distributing official Hamas publications amounts to support of a terrorist group.”

 

So are you also guilty of disseminating Hamas propaganda and if so, which seems self evident, does your conclusion apply to yourself?

 

Why don't you find a different topic to comment on, 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Except none of that is illegal or a threat to the US.

 

   Treaspss, criminal damage and attacking people is actually illegal in the USA .

Iran/Qatar/Hamas  having an influence in the USA  is indeed a threat to peace and also the USA

[Evil Penevil]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So are you also guilty of disseminating Hamas propaganda and if so, which seems self evident, does your conclusion apply to yourself?

 

Intent figures in heavily.  Mahmoud Khalil's intent in passing out Hamas pamphlets is to support Hamas in achieving its goal of destroying the state of Israel and massacring Israeli citizens.  My goal is the opposite.  I linked to the content of the pamphlet to identify Hamas as a terrorist group so people support the efforts to destroy it.  I'm sure U.S. authorities know the difference between the two.  

 

It's not illegal to read or possess a pamphlet by Hamas.  Distributing Hamas pamphlets with the intent of supporting Hamas could be illegal.

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[Evil Penevil]

9 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Except none of that is illegal or a threat to the US.

 Jewish students were harassed and threatened, sometimes assaulted,  during university demonstrations.  Demonstrations off campus, sometimes in front of synagogues, also harassed Jews on their w ay to worship.  Antisemitism is definitely a threat to the U.S. and can become illegal, depending on the form it takes.  

 

Spray-painting slogans, vandalism and threatening or assaulting individuals is always illegal.  Take a look at the video I posted three steps above.

[cjinchiangrai]

2 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 Jewish students were harassed and threatened, sometimes assaulted,  during university demonstrations.  Demonstrations off campus, sometimes in front of synagogues, also harassed Jews on their w ay to worship.  Antisemitism is definitely a threat to the U.S. and can become illegal, depending on the form it takes.  

 

Spray-painting slogans, vandalism and threatening or assaulting individuals is always illegal.  Take a look at the video I posted three steps above.

Charge them and follow due process.