The Governments Lied about the Origin of the Covid Pandemic

[stevenl]

12 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Seems more and more likely it was a lab leak. And to think you called me tin foil hat guy for saying it a week ago. 

You may think that, but i never did.

I have always believed a lab leak plausible.

[bkknirvana]

Long covid is vaccine injuries. Only those idiots who got vaccinated suffer.

[johng]

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 3/17/2025 at 5:59 PM, bkknirvana said:

Long covid is vaccine injuries. Only those idiots who got vaccinated suffer.

 

And only idiots make that kind of unsourced, proven false, nonsense statement:

 

Vaccinated kids at 57% to 73% lower risk of long COVID, CDC study suggests

February 26, 2025

 

"mRNA vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 was tied to a 57% and 73% lower risk of having at least one or two long-COVID symptoms, respectively, in US children ages 5 to 17 years, according to a case-control study led by researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

 

The four-site study involved 622 children who were eligible for COVID-19 vaccination when they were infected with the Omicron variant and who completed a post-COVID condition (PCC) survey at least 60 days later. They were enrolled from the Pediatric Research Observing Trends and Exposures in COVID-19 Timelines (PROTECT) study, a longitudinal SARS-CoV-2 surveillance cohort convened in July 2021.

...

"Our findings suggest that children should stay up to date with current COVID-19 vaccination recommendations as vaccination not only protects against severe COVID-19 illness but also protects against PCC," they concluded. 

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/vaccinated-kids-57-73-lower-risk-long-covid-cdc-study-suggests

 

 

AND

 

Recent COVID-19 vaccination tied to lower risk of long COVID

November 7, 2024

 

New data from the VENUS (Vaccine Effectiveness, Networking, and Universal Safety) study in Japan reveal that the risk of developing long COVID is significantly lower when people have been recently vaccinated before infection. The study was published yesterday in Vaccine. 

 

The retrospective study followed participants diagnosed with COVID-19 between August 2020 and December 2022. The incidences of 36 post-COVID-19 conditions were monitored 3, 5, and 8 months after infection. 

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/recent-covid-19-vaccination-tied-lower-risk-long-covid

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Vaccination Dramatically Lowers Long COVID Risk

 

Several new studies reveal that getting multiple COVID vaccine doses provides strong protection against lingering symptoms

 

January 3, 2024

 

"At least 200 million people worldwide have struggled with long COVID: a slew of symptoms that can persist for months or even years after an infection with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID. But research suggests that that number would likely be much higher if not for vaccines.

 

A growing consensus is emerging that receiving multiple doses of the COVID vaccine before an initial infection can dramatically reduce the risk of long-term symptoms. Although the studies disagree on the exact amount of protection, they show a clear trend: the more shots in your arm before your first bout with COVID, the less likely you are to get long COVID."

 

One meta-analysis of 24 studies published in October, for example, found that people who’d had three doses of the COVID vaccine were 68.7 percent less likely to develop long COVID compared with those who were unvaccinated. “This is really impressive,” says Alexandre Marra, a medical researcher at the Albert Einstein Israelite Hospital in Brazil and the lead author of the study. “Booster doses make a difference in long COVID.”

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccination-dramatically-lowers-long-covid-risk/

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

It was a top 7 event.

[bkknirvana]

20 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And only idiots make that kind of unsourced, proven false, nonsense statement:

 

Vaccinated kids at 57% to 73% lower risk of long COVID, CDC study suggests

February 26, 2025

 

"mRNA vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 was tied to a 57% and 73% lower risk of having at least one or two long-COVID symptoms, respectively, in US children ages 5 to 17 years, according to a case-control study led by researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

 

The four-site study involved 622 children who were eligible for COVID-19 vaccination when they were infected with the Omicron variant and who completed a post-COVID condition (PCC) survey at least 60 days later. They were enrolled from the Pediatric Research Observing Trends and Exposures in COVID-19 Timelines (PROTECT) study, a longitudinal SARS-CoV-2 surveillance cohort convened in July 2021.

...

"Our findings suggest that children should stay up to date with current COVID-19 vaccination recommendations as vaccination not only protects against severe COVID-19 illness but also protects against PCC," they concluded. 

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/vaccinated-kids-57-73-lower-risk-long-covid-cdc-study-suggests

 

 

AND

 

Recent COVID-19 vaccination tied to lower risk of long COVID

November 7, 2024

 

New data from the VENUS (Vaccine Effectiveness, Networking, and Universal Safety) study in Japan reveal that the risk of developing long COVID is significantly lower when people have been recently vaccinated before infection. The study was published yesterday in Vaccine. 

 

The retrospective study followed participants diagnosed with COVID-19 between August 2020 and December 2022. The incidences of 36 post-COVID-19 conditions were monitored 3, 5, and 8 months after infection. 

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/recent-covid-19-vaccination-tied-lower-risk-long-covid

 

 

 

All complete lies.

 

No one ever regretted not taking the poison vaccines.

 

 

 

[johng]

On 3/16/2025 at 7:57 PM, Kinnock said:

Many people, including myself and many AN posters, said at the time that the lab leak was the most plausible cause  -  but it was politically incorrect to voice this theory in case we upset China.

 

Ohh dear !!! yet more crumbling of the narrative.

 

New York Times

"We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives"

 

when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China.

 

Read the full article here

https://archive.ph/dVWFI

[jas007]

On 3/16/2025 at 7:57 PM, Kinnock said:

Many people, including myself and many AN posters, said at the time that the lab leak was the most plausible cause  -  but it was politically incorrect to voice this theory in case we upset China.

 

Now both the US CIA and the German Intelligence organisation back the lab leak theory.  The only reason it's still a 'theory' is because China has suppressed the evidence to ensure nobody can be certain.

 

But even in 2020 the signs were clear.  Earliest cases were never linked to the market. 

The market had been selling wild animals as food for many years, so if it was the source there would be some natural immunity in the region. 

There was no natural immunity, so it had to be a totally novel virus.

The Wuhan Institutute is situated in the epicentre and they were involved in gain of function experiments on  corona viruses.

The Wuhan lab had a known history of poor biosecurity.

 

That should have been enough to make the lab the prime suspect.

 

These newer reports about the origin are just saying what we all knew years ago.

 

 It was more than a "lab leak," I'm afraid.  The virus was an engineered bioweapon designed to be released as part of a population reduction scheme.  Once the virus was released, the world's largest and most expensive Psyop followed, designed to scare everyone on planet Earth into taking the COVID jabs.  The jabs were the real killers. Most people in the Western world were fooled, and we're now seeing a massive increase in "excess deaths" all around the world as the jabs slowly kill.  Of course, all the politicians were exempt from any kind of mandatory jabs, as were the employees of the drug companies, and I suspect even those who received jabs got saline solution and not the real thing. 

 

Some Western governments have now woken up and are pushing for the arrest of Fauci and all the others involved. 

[stevenl]

56 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Ohh dear !!! yet more crumbling of the narrative.

 

New York Times

"We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives"

 

when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China.

 

Read the full article here

https://archive.ph/dVWFI

Nonsense opinion article. A lab leak has always been a plausible explanation.

[johng]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

A lab leak has always been a plausible explanation.

 

Of course it was,  the point is that certain people tried their damnedest to deny the possibility and  vilify anyone not following "the narrative"  and worse than that they colluded to falsify facts and/or deliberately withheld the truth.

 

The article whilst admitting these facts still tries to  defend these actions as somehow being understandable  and in that way is rather disappointing..however it is still a small step along the way.

[transam]

16 hours ago, bkknirvana said:

 

All complete lies.

 

No one ever regretted not taking the poison vaccines.

 

 

 

Oh dear, you seem confused, "No one ever regretted not taking poison vaccines", do you mean those who never caught it, millions never, but what about those who actually died for not being vaxed, oh, you can't ask them now.....🙄

 

 

[johng]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

but what about those who actually died for not being vaxed

 

What about those who died after actuality being "Vaxed"  ?

[transam]

1 minute ago, johng said:

 

What about those who died after actuality being "Vaxed"  ?

What about them, no vax is free of risks.......

 

What about the millions of lives that were saved by C19 vaxes.........?

[johng]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

the millions of lives that were saved by C19 vaxes.........?

 

We have been over this before  the "lives saved" are "estimates"   no one knows how many "lives where saved" 

Perhaps when they invent a time machine  we can go back to before the event  and  in one scenario  not  do all the crazy covid stuff  and  and then compare to the last 5 years  until then it is all, theoretical speculation,  best guess and computer modeling.

 

Quite revealing that you don't seem to give a hoot about those injured by vaxes

or even seem to have any idea of the scale of injuries  or the ongoing excess mortality worldwide..

[transam]

1 minute ago, johng said:

 

We have been over this before  the "lives saved" are "estimates"   no one knows how many "lives where saved" 

Perhaps when they invent a time machine  we can go back to before the event  and  in one scenario  not  do all the crazy covid stuff  and  and then compare to the last 5 years  until then it is all, theoretical speculation,  best guess and computer modeling.

 

Quite revealing that you don't seem to give a hoot about those injured by vaxes

or even seem to have any idea of the scale of injuries  or the ongoing excess mortality worldwide..

Guessing again.............."I don't give a hoot about vax risks".......What a stupid comment, which is normal for your type.....🤕

 

All vaxes, even anaesthetics have risks, are you telling me you have never had either of those...?  🤔

[Woke to Sounds]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

and I suspect even those who received jabs got saline solution and not the real thing.

 

Many think that was the case. Great optics for TV, newspapers.

 

A 1000% psych job.

 

Not sure why so many posters on here defend the CCP.

[jas007]

5 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds said:

 

Many think that was the case. Great optics for TV, newspapers.

 

A 1000% psych job.

 

Not sure why so many posters on here defend the CCP.

 There's a lot of evidence floating around that some people conveniently ignore. For example, a certain sequence or certain sequences of the virus were patented by someone (Bill Gates?) well before 2019.The probability of that same gene sequence recurring naturally was infinitesimally small.  So, in all likelihood, the virus was designed for a purpose.  And the drug companies?  They were producing the jabs long before the supposed lab leak.  Or course, the drug companies were given immunity. In any event, they were just contractors.  The jabs were ordered by the government.  

 

I could go on all day.  The point is, it doesn't look good. 

[johng]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Guessing again.............."I don't give a hoot about vax risks".......What a stupid comment, which is normal for your type.....🤕

 

Doesn't seem you give a hoot about the massive increase in all cause mortality worldwide ?  huge numbers of reported injuries  to all the medical safety reporting systems  or those injured  as you have just dismissed them  with a

flippant "what about them"    well the fact is they took a "safe and effective"  product  and then died !!!

 

 

1 hour ago, transam said:

All vaxes, even anaesthetics have risks, are you telling me you have never had either of those...?  🤔

 

Yes  hence the need for "informed consent" and having the option to refuse those risks without fear or prejudice...no I'm not telling you I never had either of those.

[transam]

1 hour ago, johng said:

 

Doesn't seem you give a hoot about the massive increase in all cause mortality worldwide ?  huge numbers of reported injuries  to all the medical safety reporting systems  or those injured  as you have just dismissed them  with a

flippant "what about them"    well the fact is they took a "safe and effective"  product  and then died !!!

 

 

 

Yes  hence the need for "informed consent" and having the option to refuse those risks without fear or prejudice...no I'm not telling you I never had either of those.

Of course you won't, it will bust your anti bubble........🤥

[johng]

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Of course you won't, it will bust your anti bubble........🤥

I won't what ?

anti what  bubble ?

you don't make sense and/or lack reading comprehension of what I wrote,but never mind it's

"usual for your type"

[johng]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

I could go on all day.  The point is, it doesn't look good. 

Unfortunately there are still a large portion who are in denial  that such a dastardly plan was conceived and carried out..

I'm relieved that they have not yet been able to fully  implement

"the new normal"   so vigorously spouted, now disappeared completely from all propaganda outlets and good ridence to it !

[stevenl]

6 hours ago, johng said:

 

Of course it was,  the point is that certain people tried their damnedest to deny the possibility and  vilify anyone not following "the narrative"  and worse than that they colluded to falsify facts and/or deliberately withheld the truth.

 

The article whilst admitting these facts still tries to  defend these actions as somehow being understandable  and in that way is rather disappointing..however it is still a small step along the way.

" the point is that certain people tried their damnedest to deny the possibility and  vilify anyone not following "the narrative"  and worse than that they colluded to falsify facts and/or deliberately withheld the truth."

Maybe in your mind, but not in reality.

[johng]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Maybe in your mind, but not in reality

No it was reality..

just wait and see  already they are seeding the new narrative as seen in the above mentioned article there have been others and will be more trying to mitigate the total disaster of the covid era ..

P.S  Trump says all Biden autopen pardens are null and void so  that includes Fauci and Co   I hope and expect some reckoning for what they did.

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 3/20/2025 at 4:00 AM, stevenl said:

Nonsense opinion article. A lab leak has always been a plausible explanation.

So why was it censored for years, and the left called people that questioned whether it came from a lab as "conspiracy theorists" and a "cult"?

You must think we all have the memory of a goldfish

 

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So why was it censored for years, and the left called people that questioned whether it came from a lab as "conspiracy theorists" and a "cult"?

You must think we all have the memory of a goldfish

 

Goldfish having an extremely short memory is an urban myth.

It wasn't censored, both lab leak and wet market have both always been a realistic option.

[SunnyinBangrak]

28 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Goldfish having an extremely short memory is an urban myth.

It wasn't censored, both lab leak and wet market have both always been a realistic option.

Then please link to a post on this forum during the 1st year of the pandemic stating the possibility of a lab leak. Should be easy as its a "realistic option"😅

 

As a gentle reminder to the hiveminds position of the lableak

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2021/06/03/the-wuhan-lab-leak-hypothesis-is-a-conspiracy-theory-not-science/

[stevenl]

31 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Then please link to a post on this forum during the 1st year of the pandemic stating the possibility of a lab leak. Should be easy as its a "realistic option"😅

 

As a gentle reminder to the hiveminds position of the lableak

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2021/06/03/the-wuhan-lab-leak-hypothesis-is-a-conspiracy-theory-not-science/

Your link states zoological origin most likely, but doesn't rule out a lab leak.