Portugal nixes F35 order cos of trump

[Yagoda]

42 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Look to the kinds of programs and actions that the MAGA program supports

Classical Liberalism.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Classical Liberalism.

Typical not getting the point. Scorecard asked for a guide and I offered one to him.

[Liverpool Lou]

21 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/unpredictability-of-usa-portugal-rules-out-f-35-fighter-purchase/

 

too unstable to order planes 

According to a Ukrainian media outlet site.

[John Drake]

10 hours ago, Bannoi said:

Turkey just signed a contract for 40 Eurofighter Typhoons and Meteor air -to-air missiles no longer interested in F35's.

 

Trump is losing America not only friends and allies but customers as well.

 

Trump may well think that America can do withoutcustomers outside America but the companies and workers that produce the goods sure as hell do.

 

The US kicked Turkey out of the F35 program years ago. Just recently the Turks were trying to get back in. But they were not part of the program anyway. https://www.ekathimerini.com/politics/foreign-policy/1261246/f-35-window-opens-again-for-turkey/

[candide]

17 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Who can brick them anytime he likes. 

 

F35 is a system.

That's the main issue. Countries equipped with F-35 are at the mercy of the U.S. if they want to use it. It may not brick them but at least degrade the system by not providing updates.

[3NUMBAS]

There are worry’s the US won’t share the source code for the F35 ,whereas Sweden is happy to share the source code for its planes,,

 

 

it’s an easy choice now 

 

avoid Villain trump at all costs

[John Drake]

14 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

There are worry’s the US won’t share the source code for the F35 ,whereas Sweden is happy to share the source code for its planes,,

 

 

it’s an easy choice now 

 

avoid Villain trump at all costs

 

Didn't Sweden just sell a bunch of fighters to Thailand? We all know that once something gets into Thailand, it also goes straight to China. That's why the US refused to give Thailand F35s and only wanted to allow them to have relatively safely controlled avionics in updated F16s. China will end up with all the information on vulnerabilities of Swedish jets before most of the European customers ever get delivery.

[candide]

Countries with nuclear sharing agreement under NATO, such as Germany, ordered F-35 because it was the only new generation fighter certified to carry U.S. nuclear bombs. On this aspect, they may well become useless.

 

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/amid-transatlantic-rift-germany-fears-for-its-f-35-order/?amp

 

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/german-policymakers-concerned-american-kill-switch-disable-f35

 

[SLOWHAND225]

21 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

Right, and how many USD billions lost is for the USA?

Not  America, Boeing is the manufacturer and Portugal should consider themselves lucky. The F35 is a smoldering pile of junk given the cost. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

I bet ya Vlad is shaking in his jackboots over that.

They fought their best from galleons.

[transam]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

I bet ya Vlad is shaking in his jackboots over that.

Probably, though I reckon that would be more to do with his age...........

[Yagoda]

23 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

They fought their best from galleons.

Great navigators. Lots of folks in Rhode Island from the old whaling industry. Great food too. 

[Yagoda]

39 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Not  America, Boeing is the manufacturer and Portugal should consider themselves lucky. The F35 is a smoldering pile of junk given the cost. 

Ask the Iranian Air Defense Commanders and the manufacturers of the Russian AD systems.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Not  America, Boeing is the manufacturer and Portugal should consider themselves lucky. The F35 is a smoldering pile of junk given the cost. 

If that's the case, and it's not a loss for America, I guess you believe that the balance of payments and the loss of US jobs doesn't matter. So why exactly is Trump imposing tariffs?

[SpaceKadet]

IMO the old saying that "War is good for business" should be amended with "but not for American business"...

[Yolando]

 

2 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Not  America, Boeing is the manufacturer and Portugal should consider themselves lucky. The F35 is a smoldering pile of junk given the cost. 

 

 Boeing doesn't make the F35.  

[SpaceKadet]

2 minutes ago, Yolando said:

 

 

 Boeing doesn't make the F35.  

Yeah, L-M does.

 

[Yellowtail]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for the compounded stupidity.

A sure sign that someone's got nothing is when they make it personal. You've got nothing.

[candide]

Trump is getting wet dreams about Russia's resources  but forgot that Europe is one of the three world's largest market...

[SpaceKadet]

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Didn't Sweden just sell a bunch of fighters to Thailand? We all know that once something gets into Thailand, it also goes straight to China. That's why the US refused to give Thailand F35s and only wanted to allow them to have relatively safely controlled avionics in updated F16s. China will end up with all the information on vulnerabilities of Swedish jets before most of the European customers ever get delivery.

Yeah, but Chinese already have all the secrets of the F-35 and F-22. Just look at their stealth fighters. Chenese J-20 looks just like the American F-22.

All those guest Chinese engineers working for Boeing and L-M just took all the secret papers and went home.

China already says they have tech to detect F-35. Just billions of USD lost for useless research...

 

As soon as new stealth tech is developed, a new way to detect it will be found. Never ending story.

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

A sure sign that someone's got nothing is when they make it personal. You've got nothing.

The stupidity was in the comments. I wrote nothing about the maker of them.

[Yagoda]

14 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

Chenese J-20 looks just like the American F-22.

Ladyboys can look like women

[Mavideol]

not only Portugal!!!...  Canada also looking for alternatives

Canada Reconsidering $13.2 Billion F-35 Purchase Amid Growing Tensions With The U.S.

https://theaviationist.com/2025/03/15/canada-reconsidering-f-35/

 

[Mavideol]

22 hours ago, jvs said:

I hear from a friend that Canada is contemplating cancelling their order of F-35s also.

Great!

Canada Reconsidering $13.2 Billion F-35 Purchase Amid Growing Tensions With The U.S.

https://theaviationist.com/2025/03/15/canada-reconsidering-f-35/

 

 

[Middle Aged Grouch]

Trump or no Trump, the F35a is a piece of junk for any non US buyer. The plane can be sort of put OffLine from the USA, and one has to constantly shell out billions for regular upgrades and updates. 

 

A sort of Apple and Microsoft style business plan !! 

 

As much as I may dislike Europe and the EU policies, if I was to decide, I would definately go for a European made,  fighter plane.

[Mavideol]

On 3/15/2025 at 4:05 PM, Yagoda said:

All 28 of them hahahahah

Canada looks for alternatives to US-made F-35 fighter jets: Defense minister

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/canada-looks-for-alternatives-to-us-made-f-35-fighter-jets-defense-minister-3699798

 

[Mavideol]

22 hours ago, bubblegum said:

5 here 20 there, 50 soon and then? hahahahahahha Mr. Genius.

maga supporters are just like their boss, they lack brains

[bubblegum]

Clever Thailand going for the Swedish Gripen.

[LiamB80]

The first woman I ever felt comfortable enough with to let lick my butthole was from Portugal.

[SpaceKadet]

14 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Clever Thailand going for the Swedish Gripen.

Thailand had 12 Gripens since 2011, well, 11 now since one splashed a few years ago, based in Surat Thani.

Excellent choice for a country like Thailand.

 

Such a beautiful aircraft! Russia, beware!