Something that this forum doesnt understand about Trump

[DualSportBiker]

9 hours ago, hotsun said:

Prove it.

you cant.

you know how i can prove america does?

because trump won!

With that kind of logic you need to apply for your professorship! No really, you are the best, the most logical, fact-driven, data-empowered, deep-thought genius ever! I just wish I could have leverage your deep insight, infallible logic and experience-based breakdown of real facts before now. 

[Rob Browder]

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

Russian satellite state

Why not a neutral state?  Why must it be either a proxy of one or the other?  See Austria during the cold war, as a model.   This was being proposed back in 2014.  The West dismissed it - not Russia.

[bannork]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

He's not saying China is in Central America. In fact it's a perfectly valid analogy.

 

What he's saying is that Mexico is in the USA's sphere of influence, just like Ukraine is in Russia's. If Mexico would join an alliance with China indeed the US would not take that lightly. Just see what happened to Panama who sold vital things to America's enemy.

But you can't deny geography. Ukraine is in Europe. Central America is a long way from China.

Ukraine hasn't wanted to be in Russia's sphere of influence since 1991, it wants to be in the EU, and as a sovereign nation it has every right to be.

[Cameroni]

Just now, bannork said:

But you can't deny geography. Ukraine is in Europe. Central America is a long way from China.

Ukraine hasn't wanted to be in Russia's sphere of influence since 1991, it wants to be in the EU, and as a sovereign nation it has every right to be.

 

Nobody is denying geography. Yes Ukraine is in Europe, Central America is indeed a long way from China. But the analogy Rob made is about alliances, if Mexico allied with China the US would not just accept it. just as Russia does not just accept Ukraine allying with the West. It looks like you are wilfully ignoring the main point. Nobody can be this dense.

 

No, Ukraine does not have "every right" to jump camp to the West. It is in Russia's vital sphere of interest. Just as Panama can't do what  it wants, Ukraine has to consider what Russia wants. Or suffer the consequences.

[Patong2021]

How about staying on topic? I know it is difficult for some of the MAGA enthusiasts to deal with unpleasant facts, but if you start a topic, don't  deflect and offer unrelated issues when someone points out the deficiency in your claims.

 

9 hours ago, hotsun said:

Most Americans agree with what hes doing and don’t particularly care what the rest of the world thinks, because the rest of the world doesnt have free elections anymore. Do the facts bother you?

 

freedom comes at a high price, something only an American can understand

 

OK. Please offer some  evidence to support your claim that most Americans agree with what he  is doing. The math does not support your claim.

 

The population of the USA is approx. 340 million citizens. Of that number an estimated 244,666,890 were eligible to vote.  Only 156,302,318 people voted in the US federal election. Trump obtained 77,284,118 votes. (For comparison purposes, Biden obtained 81,284,666 votes in 2020.) Despite his claims, Trump did not receive a majority of votes.

 

Do the math: Of eligible voters, Trump obtained 31.59% of their votes. Of those who voted, he obtained 49.445%. That is not the definition of most. It does mean that a large number of people supported a change in direction, and/or others did not like the alternative candidate, and/or  others were die hard Trump enthusiasts and supported his agenda.

 

9 hours ago, hotsun said:

Do you think germany has free elections, friend?

Don't change subject because you are unable to respond to a coherent  point that disagrees with you.  Germany  has a  robust electoral system. If you wish to compare the two electoral systems, please start a new topic. I am sure that the well educated Germans will explain  how their electoral system works.

 

9 hours ago, hotsun said:

Prove it.

you cant.

you know how i can prove america does?

because trump won!

 

You are the one making the claim. The onus is on you to  support it. Yes, Trump won an election, but he did not obtain a majority. No one denies  that he won an election.

 

9 hours ago, hotsun said:

The burden of proof is the rest of the world to prove now. The US at this point of time is the only country with free elections until proven otherwise 

 

Thai isn't just an arrogant stament it is obnoxiously ignorant and you no longer have any credibility. You know nothing about the integrity of elections in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Norway, UK etc. On the contrary, they  have the advantage of being run by neutral apolitical bodies. The Australian Electoral Commission, like Elections Canada and others, are the gold standard. There is no room for political interference. In the USA Secretaries of State (or other  political positions) for each of the US states oversees the federal election.  If the Secretary of State is a Republican or a Democrat there is an opportunity for political bias. In the USA electoral district boundaries are subject to gerrymandering by the  legislature resulting in the indirect  disenfranchisement of  voters. This is less likely to occur in countries where an independent apolitical body sets the boundaries.

 

9 hours ago, LiamB80 said:

I agree with the OP. I read these posts from non Americans and it’s pure insanity. I voted Trump and he’s doing exactly what i wanted him to do. The constant insults and childish names about President Trump show they never had any respect for America or our way of life to begin with.  

 

Ok. An honest response. And at least you  admit to agreeing with the reductions in critical positions such as forest ranger firefighters, air traffic controllers, national park paramedics and others. And you support the reduction in public health scientists  and research into infectious diseases.  And you are honest in your support of the  increased likelihood of tax evasion and non payment of   income taxes, forcing the burden of taxes onto honest people because the IRS has laid off thousands of people who were responsible for ensuring tax laws were followed. And you agree with the neutering of the FTC so that unfair trade practices and the investigations into the dominant media monopolies of  Facebook, X , TikTok and others will be dropped along with investigations of large pharmaceutical companies. And you agree with the  blocking of the FDA's ability to  oversee the pharmaceutical industry because the compliance scientists have been  terminated. You wanted it, and you are getting it. This is your choice and it is to be respected. However, please do not complain when the  impact of that choice manifests itself. It won't be the fault of politicians or even of Trump, but of people like you who demanded these actions.

 

8 hours ago, morrobay said:

At least half the European population would love to have Trump as the leader of their country. Because America is not getting this sh*t show

 

And what data do you have to support this nonsensical claim?  The  dislike for the USA is now changing to hatred, so I do not see where this groundswell of love is supposedly coming from.

[RayC]

1 minute ago, Rob Browder said:

Why not a neutral state?  Why must it be either a proxy of one or the other?  See Austria during the cold war, as a model.   This was being proposed back in 2014.  The West dismissed it - not Russia.

 

I'm uncomfortable with the idea that nations do not have self-determination. However, if you mean a neutral state in a military sense e.g. a DMZ then imo it's a practical solution worth exploring.

 

From an economic perspective, I would question why Ukraine shouldn't be able to pursue its' desire to become a member of the EU.

[still kicking]

9 hours ago, hotsun said:

Prove it.

you cant.

you know how i can prove america does?

because trump won!

Get out of the sun 

[Cameroni]

27 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I will give you credit for your direct reply, and not trying to hide behind a convoluted conspiracy theory.

 

In essence, you are justifying Russian imperialism. Ukraine is forever to be viewed as nothing more than a Russian satellite state. You appear to find that acceptable; the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians and the free world do not.

 

As our friend Sigmund Freud said, anatomy is destiny. And so is geography. Ukraine happens to be a neighbour of Russia. So it can't keep poking Russia in the eye with a pointy stick. 

 

You can say Ukraine can do whatever it wants. Okay, how did that work out? Not so hot, right?

 

Whether I find it acceptable is neither here nor there, it is real politics. Russia is a very strong nuclear power. You poke it in the eye at your peril. Ukrainians are not immune from this.

[RayC]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

As our friend Sigmund Freud said, anatomy is destiny. And so is geography. Ukraine happens to be a neighbour of Russia. So it can't keep poking Russia in the eye with a pointy stick. 

 

You consider Ukraine's desire to join the EU to be " .. poking Russia in the eye with a pointy stick"?

 

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

You can say Ukraine can do whatever it wants. Okay, how did that work out? Not so hot, right?

 

Not so hot due to the ineffective support of the West.

 

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Whether I find it acceptable is neither here nor there, it is real politics. Russia is a very strong nuclear power. You poke it in the eye at your peril. Ukrainians are not immune from this.

 

I agree that our views are immaterial but I was trying to get a feel for your individual standpoint, by asking whether you feel that Russia's aggressive actions in response to Ukraine's desire for EU membership is justified.

 

You appear to believe that Russia's nuclear capability gives it 'carte blanche' to act as it likes.

[Lacessit]

9 hours ago, hotsun said:

Most Americans agree with what hes doing and don’t particularly care what the rest of the world thinks, because the rest of the world doesnt have free elections anymore. Do the facts bother you?

 

freedom comes at a high price, something only an American can understand

According to the polls, it is no longer most Americans. The majority is now aghast at what he is doing to them, and to international relations.

 

If you are going to start a thread, at least start with a valid premise.

 

There are about 90 countries in the world that are democracies. You are just one in that number.

 

If you are so free, why does America have the highest prison population in the world?

[bannork]

40 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Nobody is denying geography. Yes Ukraine is in Europe, Central America is indeed a long way from China. But the analogy Rob made is about alliances, if Mexico allied with China the US would not just accept it. just as Russia does not just accept Ukraine allying with the West. It looks like you are wilfully ignoring the main point. Nobody can be this dense.

 

No, Ukraine does not have "every right" to jump camp to the West. It is in Russia's vital sphere of interest. Just as Panama can't do what  it wants, Ukraine has to consider what Russia wants. Or suffer the consequences.

Three years on Ukraine has shown it has no intention of being subjugated by Russia. It has every right to decide its own future. So, yes, it suffers the consequences of being attacked, its children kidnapped, its women raped by barbarians. 

Only time will tell the outcome.

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

Three years on Ukraine has shown it has no intention of being subjugated by Russia. It has every right to decide its own future. So, yes, it suffers the consequences of being attacked, its children kidnapped, its women raped by barbarians. 

Only time will tell the outcome.

 

When the alternative was not to poke Russia in the eye, sign a treaty and nobody dies.

 

Ok. But Ukraine has every right. Ok. So let the slaugther commence? What are you, Attila the Hun?

[bannork]

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

When the alternative was not to poke Russia in the eye, sign a treaty and nobody dies.

 

Ok. But Ukraine has every right. Ok. So let the slaugther commence? What are you, Attila the Hun?

Putin is Attila the Hun, only he's less successful. 3 years on with hundreds of thousands of Russian casualties, he still can't win.

 

[NumbNut]

1 hour ago, Rob Browder said:

Why not a neutral state?  Why must it be either a proxy of one or the other?  See Austria during the cold war, as a model.   This was being proposed back in 2014.  The West dismissed it - not Russia.

Why don't you ask Finland and/or Sweden how a neutral stance worked out for them...

[LosLobo]

10 hours ago, LiamB80 said:

I agree with the OP. I read these posts from non Americans and it’s pure insanity. I voted Trump and he’s doing exactly what i wanted him to do. The constant insults and childish names about President Trump show they never had any respect for America or our way of life to begin with.  

Ah, Maga Liam, the proud architect of his own economic misery—voting for Trump, then marveling at the fallout like someone who sets fire to their own house and complains about the heat.
 

Non-Americans? That ship has sailed.
 

Whenever the U.S. sneezes, the world gets pneumonia—just like with the 1929 Great Depression and the 2008 Financial Crisis. Republican policies crashed markets and wrecked economies worldwide. Trump is going for the trifecta—we all have skin in the game now.
 

You say Trump is doing exactly what you wanted. Well, congratulations. His Trade War tanked my country’s financial markets, crushed exports, raised prices, and reduced my retirement funds. His wrecking-ball diplomacy shredded alliances, ditched agreements, and emboldened dictators. The world is closer to WW3, not further. His so-called peace initiatives are collapsing in Gaza and Ukraine, leaving only chaos in their wake.
 

And now I know—you’re the reason for this mess. So spare me the "respect America" line when the America you voted for has made the world a poorer and more dangerous place.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

That's because you're blindness doesn't allow you to see anything other than what your masters have allowed you to think

 

 

Who are my "Masters" of thought control?

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Rob Browder said:

If you were living in the Donbass region, being shelled for 8 years (including Trump years) before Russia stepped-in, you would probably call the Russians peacekeepers, also. 

 

Trump's ridiculous position, is pretending he didn't continue the very "uniparty" escalation which caused the war.  Every time he says the war would "not have happened, if I were president," I want to puke.  He just hired one of the war's chief anti-Russia cheerleaders for Sec-of-State, and still brags about starting lethal-aid to Ukraine.

 

He's only trying to get a "deal" now, because the West's Ukraine proxy war was lost. They are out of military options to "turn the tide," short of WW3 - and would likely lose that, given Russia has now re-mobilized, and they have not.  Sadly, I suspect they merely want to "buy time" to re-mobilize their military - Europe's in particular - then resume the conflict in 5+ years. 

 

Don't know about Russians being viewed as peace keepers in Donbas as Russian insurgents kicked off the war in the first place, unless of course they are pro Russian as some would be. Both parties rearm during ceasefire / peace negotiations. Now the Russians are trying to grab more Ukrainian territory for a stronger negotiating position - all quite normal. Trump has failed with his current round of negotiation, completely undermining his claims of a good relationship with Putin - egg on face!

[Ben Zioner]

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

USA's sphere of influence

Just asking, is "sphere of influence" the modern way to designate the good old empire. Just as "African American", in the woke world, has replaced the good old N word.

 

Anyhow my Mexican friends would vomit if I told them they are part of the US empire.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Ben Zioner said:

Just asking, is "sphere of influence" the modern way to designate the good old empire. Just as "African American", in the woke world, has replaced the good old N word.

 

Anyhow my Mexican friends would vomit if I told them they are part of the US empire.

 

It is not the same as "empire" obviously, however, the very large powers, like the US and Russia, have clear spheres of influence, which relate to their defense capability. For instance when Panama was selling secrets to Cuba the US invaded. This is just real world politics.

 

I am sure your Mexican friends would feel that way, alas, their country is a neighbour and thus very much in the US sphere of influence, as indeed recent events have clearly shown with the president of Mexico pleading with Trump that all is done on immigration that can be done.

[bubblegum]

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

How about staying on topic? I know it is difficult for some of the MAGA enthusiasts to deal with unpleasant facts, but if you start a topic, don't  deflect and offer unrelated issues when someone points out the deficiency in your claims.

 

 

OK. Please offer some  evidence to support your claim that most Americans agree with what he  is doing. The math does not support your claim.

 

The population of the USA is approx. 340 million citizens. Of that number an estimated 244,666,890 were eligible to vote.  Only 156,302,318 people voted in the US federal election. Trump obtained 77,284,118 votes. (For comparison purposes, Biden obtained 81,284,666 votes in 2020.) Despite his claims, Trump did not receive a majority of votes.

 

Do the math: Of eligible voters, Trump obtained 31.59% of their votes. Of those who voted, he obtained 49.445%. That is not the definition of most. It does mean that a large number of people supported a change in direction, and/or others did not like the alternative candidate, and/or  others were die hard Trump enthusiasts and supported his agenda.

 

Don't change subject because you are unable to respond to a coherent  point that disagrees with you.  Germany  has a  robust electoral system. If you wish to compare the two electoral systems, please start a new topic. I am sure that the well educated Germans will explain  how their electoral system works.

 

 

You are the one making the claim. The onus is on you to  support it. Yes, Trump won an election, but he did not obtain a majority. No one denies  that he won an election.

 

 

Thai isn't just an arrogant stament it is obnoxiously ignorant and you no longer have any credibility. You know nothing about the integrity of elections in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Norway, UK etc. On the contrary, they  have the advantage of being run by neutral apolitical bodies. The Australian Electoral Commission, like Elections Canada and others, are the gold standard. There is no room for political interference. In the USA Secretaries of State (or other  political positions) for each of the US states oversees the federal election.  If the Secretary of State is a Republican or a Democrat there is an opportunity for political bias. In the USA electoral district boundaries are subject to gerrymandering by the  legislature resulting in the indirect  disenfranchisement of  voters. This is less likely to occur in countries where an independent apolitical body sets the boundaries.

 

 

Ok. An honest response. And at least you  admit to agreeing with the reductions in critical positions such as forest ranger firefighters, air traffic controllers, national park paramedics and others. And you support the reduction in public health scientists  and research into infectious diseases.  And you are honest in your support of the  increased likelihood of tax evasion and non payment of   income taxes, forcing the burden of taxes onto honest people because the IRS has laid off thousands of people who were responsible for ensuring tax laws were followed. And you agree with the neutering of the FTC so that unfair trade practices and the investigations into the dominant media monopolies of  Facebook, X , TikTok and others will be dropped along with investigations of large pharmaceutical companies. And you agree with the  blocking of the FDA's ability to  oversee the pharmaceutical industry because the compliance scientists have been  terminated. You wanted it, and you are getting it. This is your choice and it is to be respected. However, please do not complain when the  impact of that choice manifests itself. It won't be the fault of politicians or even of Trump, but of people like you who demanded these actions.

 

 

And what data do you have to support this nonsensical claim?  The  dislike for the USA is now changing to hatred, so I do not see where this groundswell of love is supposedly coming from.

Thank you for taking your time, however they won't listen. Its's a cult no matter what they say.

[bannork]

More rejections in Trump's in-tray.

Still, that's what happens if you act before you think.

Fast on Putin's rebuff of Trump's ceasefire in Ukraine, the Sudanese have turned down Trump's request to take in the Palestinians.

 Trump Asked One Of The Poorest Countries In The World To Take In Palestinians And Was Immediately Rebuffed

 US and Israeli officials have approached several East African nations—including Sudan, Somalia, and Somaliland—about the possibility of relocating Palestinians from Gaza. However, officials from Somalia and Somaliland told the Associated Press they were unaware of any such discussions, and, according to an Associated Press report, two senior officials from Sudan told them that the Sudanese government rejected the idea of resettling displaced Palestinians into their country.