Can you be a leftist without also supporting terrorists and criminals?

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Australia, Norway, Denmark.

 

I sure as hell would not want to live with America's health system. Clusterf##K is too kind a description.

These are not socialist countries.   You don't understand the definition of socialism.   I'll be happy to school you on this topic. 

[Lacessit]

38 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

These are not socialist countries.   You don't understand the definition of socialism.   I'll be happy to school you on this topic. 

Go ahead.

[hotsun]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I suppose I could be called leftist or socialist, take your pick.

 

I admire Jews as pretty smart people. It's only dumb people who want to kill them, and they are on both sides of the political fence.

 

IIRC Oswald Mosley was anti-semitic, not what I would call a leftist.

 

 

Over the past two years, the left has made anti semitism their calling card. Hence the title of the thread, do leftists support terrorists

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Go ahead.

Socialism: 

 

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

 

Socialism is not welfare.  Socialism is where a central authority owns and controls the means of production.  

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Socialism: 

 

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

 

Socialism is not welfare.  Socialism is where a central authority owns and controls the means of production.  

What you are quoting sounds more like Communism to me.

[simple1]

10 hours ago, hotsun said:

Over the past two years, the left has made anti semitism their calling card. Hence the title of the thread, do leftists support terrorists

 

Americans appear to have an all encompassing understanding of the 'left" in US society, eg. Marxist, Socialist etc very much out of synch with other Western democracies. You may like to supply the US definition of the "left" I'm fairly sure most other Westerners would disagree. To protest against the destruction and killings of civilians in Gaza and West Bank is neither anti Semitic or expressing support for Hamas, Islamic Jihad and so on.

[Yagoda]

Political violence by the Left is generally ignored

https://jonathanturley.org/2025/03/26/it-is-not-karma-it-is-a-crime-the-curious-silence-over-political-violence-in-new-york/

 

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

To protest against the destruction and killings of civilians in Gaza and West Bank is neither anti Semitic or expressing support for Hamas, Islamic Jihad and so on.

Yes it is. 

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

What you are quoting sounds more like Communism to me.

All are collectivist ideologies: Socialism, Bolshevism, Staloinsim, Communism, Leninism, National Socialism...they just differ in who to kill, not in the need to kill them.

[frank83628]

Just some law abiding cartel members... leave them alone.

[Yagoda]

46 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Just some law abiding cartel members... leave them alone.

May he rest in  peace, an American hero, and I hope the screams of grief from his loved ones echo in the ears of the Sanctuary City crowd, especially Newsome.

[riclag]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Just some law abiding cartel members... leave them alone.

Bill is a on the scene reporter and well respected!

 

You think Newsome would show his face at the funeral? 

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/03/26/governor-newsom-honors-fallen-marysville-police-department-officer/

[Mike_Hunt]

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

What you are quoting sounds more like Communism to me.

Communism and Socialism are about the same.  Communism has the class aspect were everyone is equal. 

[frank83628]

Just goes to show who the danger is and unhinged 

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Communism and Socialism are about the same.  Communism has the class aspect were everyone is equal. 

Disagree. Communism demands complete control of the means of production via a centralized government.

 

Socialism can coexist with a market economy, and frequently does.

[Mike_Hunt]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Disagree. Communism demands complete control of the means of production via a centralized government.

 

Socialism can coexist with a market economy, and frequently does.

That’s not true.  Socialism is when government controls the means of production.  Do you understand what this means? 

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

That’s not true.  Socialism is when government controls the means of production.  Do you understand what this means? 

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[Mike_Hunt]

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

FFS..what a dumb reply.  If you play that game, none of you have evidence. 

[Lacessit]

12 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

FFS..what a dumb reply.  If you play that game, none of you have evidence. 

You said " That's not true". Without a single fact to support your statement.

 

My post was a quote of Hitchens' Razor. Named after Christopher Hitchens, who probably has 150 points above you in terms of IQ.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

You said " That's not true". Without a single fact to support your statement.

 

My post was a quote of Hitchens' Razor. Named after Christopher Hitchens, who probably has 150 points above you in terms of IQ.

Good response. No evidence, no credibility. Naturally, that triggered the evidence-averse MAGA crowd.
 

Trump gutting education makes sense—an uninformed electorate is easier to control— critical thinking is the enemy.
 

Just a few more gems from my debate toolbox:

Sagan’s Axiom, Occam’s Razor, Popper’s Falsifiability Principle, Hanlon’s Razor, Brandolini’s Law, Grice’s Razor, Newton’s Flaming Laser Sword, Alder’s Razor, Cunningham’s Law, Sturgeon’s Law, Parkinson’s Law, Goodhart’s Law, Amara’s Law, and Finagle’s Law.

Truth, logic, and the burden of proof are anathema to this crowd!

[Mike_Hunt]

59 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Good response. No evidence, no credibility. Naturally, that triggered the evidence-averse MAGA crowd.
 

Trump gutting education makes sense—an uninformed electorate is easier to control— critical thinking is the enemy.
 

Just a few more gems from my debate toolbox:

Sagan’s Axiom, Occam’s Razor, Popper’s Falsifiability Principle, Hanlon’s Razor, Brandolini’s Law, Grice’s Razor, Newton’s Flaming Laser Sword, Alder’s Razor, Cunningham’s Law, Sturgeon’s Law, Parkinson’s Law, Goodhart’s Law, Amara’s Law, and Finagle’s Law.

Truth, logic, and the burden of proof are anathema to this crowd!

 

I accept your surrender.  

[Mike_Hunt]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You said " That's not true". Without a single fact to support your statement.

 

My post was a quote of Hitchens' Razor. Named after Christopher Hitchens, who probably has 150 points above you in terms of IQ.

You have lost this debate.  

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

Good response. No evidence, no credibility. Naturally, that triggered the evidence-averse MAGA crowd.
 

Trump gutting education makes sense—an uninformed electorate is easier to control— critical thinking is the enemy.
 

Just a few more gems from my debate toolbox:

Sagan’s Axiom, Occam’s Razor, Popper’s Falsifiability Principle, Hanlon’s Razor, Brandolini’s Law, Grice’s Razor, Newton’s Flaming Laser Sword, Alder’s Razor, Cunningham’s Law, Sturgeon’s Law, Parkinson’s Law, Goodhart’s Law, Amara’s Law, and Finagle’s Law.

Truth, logic, and the burden of proof are anathema to this crowd!

 

Hey, do you have any evidece that Trump is gutting education? 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Hey, do you have any evidece that Trump is gutting education? 

 

Yes, I do have evidence! Thanks for asking.
 

But I’ll focus on what’s self-evident first: the 'evidece' you’ve provided that you're truly the poster child for Trump's uninformed electorate. Hanlon’s Razor—never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
 

For example, Trump signed an executive order on March 20, 2025, initiating the process to dismantle the Department of Education. This is just one of his promises to reduce federal control over education, and his administration’s focus on promoting school vouchers and private schooling only further proves the point

[Mike_Hunt]

16 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

 

Yes, I do have evidence! Thanks for asking.
 

But I’ll focus on what’s self-evident first: the 'evidece' you’ve provided that you're truly the poster child for Trump's uninformed electorate. Hanlon’s Razor—never attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
 

For example, Trump signed an executive order on March 20, 2025, initiating the process to dismantle the Department of Education. This is just one of his promises to reduce federal control over education, and his administration’s focus on promoting school vouchers and private schooling only further proves the point

 

If you know anything about the USA.   The lion's share of spending comes from the state and local levels.   Also, test scores have not changed since the creation of the Department of Education.   

 

 

https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/students-test-scores-unchanged-after-decades-federal-intervention-education

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You have lost this debate.  

That is called begging the question, or arguing in a circle.

 

Now you are reminding me of the Dilbert aphorism: " Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience".

 

Bye bye.

[Mike_Hunt]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

That is called begging the question, or arguing in a circle.

 

Now you are reminding me of the Dilbert aphorism: " Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience".

 

Bye bye.

You lost this debate.   Be man enough to admit it. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Good response. No evidence, no credibility. Naturally, that triggered the evidence-averse MAGA crowd.
 

Trump gutting education makes sense—an uninformed electorate is easier to control— critical thinking is the enemy.
 

Just a few more gems from my debate toolbox:

Sagan’s Axiom, Occam’s Razor, Popper’s Falsifiability Principle, Hanlon’s Razor, Brandolini’s Law, Grice’s Razor, Newton’s Flaming Laser Sword, Alder’s Razor, Cunningham’s Law, Sturgeon’s Law, Parkinson’s Law, Goodhart’s Law, Amara’s Law, and Finagle’s Law.

Truth, logic, and the burden of proof are anathema to this crowd!

Spent about 20 minutes researching some of the terms I was not familiar with, thanks.

 

IMO Brandolini's Law covers most of the MAGA postings.

[LosLobo]

15 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

If you know anything about the USA.   The lion's share of spending comes from the state and local levels.   Also, test scores have not changed since the creation of the Department of Education.   

 

https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/students-test-scores-unchanged-after-decades-federal-intervention-education

 

Maga Mike, your argument is a fruit salad bowl of logical fallacies:
 

Red Herring – State and local spending is irrelevant to Trump dismantling the Department of Education.
 

Non Sequitur – Test scores staying the same doesn’t mean the department is useless; correlation ≠ causation.
 

Strawman – The department isn’t just about test scores; it handles funding, civil rights, and access to education.
 

Argument from Ignorance – Just because you don’t see an impact doesn’t mean there isn’t one.
 

Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy – Cherry-picking test scores while ignoring broader benefits of federal oversight.
 

False Dichotomy – Assuming if scores don’t improve, the department must be useless, ignoring other factors.
 

Appeal to Authority – "If you know anything about the US..." – suggesting that just knowing about the US automatically makes your argument valid, without presenting evidence.
 

Ad Hominem – Implying a lack of knowledge or understanding to undermine the argument rather than addressing the facts.

Conclusion: Your argument is riddled with logical missteps and misleading framing. Instead of engaging with the issue of Trump dismantling the Department of Education, you are dodging with irrelevant points and faulty causation claims.

[Harrisfan]

14 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You lost this debate.   Be man enough to admit it. 

These lefties never admit to being wrong. Mr 33%s. D- standard.

[LosLobo]

17 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

I accept your surrender.  

As your response is totally illogical to be addressed to me it would seem like you’ve got the wrong person, Maga Mike—although my name starts with an L, I am not Lacessit.

But don’t worry, that’s just another small detail to add to the pile of logical missteps you’ve already made.