Rising Defiance: Armed Gaza Clans Call for Uprising Against Hamas

[Nick Carter icp]

19 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

I don't think Hamas has ever enjoyed popular support. They have ruled Gaza with an iron fist backed up with AK47s.

 

   Odd how the Palestinians attack the IDF with rocks and stones and knifes and car attacks , the IDF with all their firepower ,  going on suicide attacks to attack Israelis , yet they were kept in line by a group with AK47's.

 

[proton]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

147 out of 193 UN member states recognize Palestine as a sovereign state.

 

 

 

Those into that fantasy does not change history or make it a reality, it's a bit like accepting a man is a dress is a women if he calls himself such.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

How much of Gaza is left, at this point? 

Not a lot..................

 

This is Gaza. You wanted war - you got it. You butchered civilians, kidnapped babies, raped women. Now, you face the consequences. Release the hostages, and surrender. You’re out of options

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No, the only thing I am interested in is seeing the report of my American brother being saved.

 

They are probably Hamas supporters hiding. They could be the ones dancing over the corpses of murdered babies.

 

Lets see them frog march some terrorists down the street and bring forth my American brother. If they want to save themselves, throw themselves on the mercy of the Israelis and start naming names.

 

Until then, keep killing them. FAFO. Dont kidnap or murder Americans.

 

Fart as I am concerned, Trump is not doing the right thing. Iran still exists.

Your thirst for blood has been noted.

Yes Iran exists, but its bit off topic, don’t you think.

[Yagoda]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Your thirst for blood has been noted.

Yes Iran exists, but its bit off topic, don’t you think.

Hamas and the Gazans are tools of Iran. You need to cut off the head of the snake.

 

At least my thirst for blood is for scumbag blood, unlike the cheers of the Hamas lovers here.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your thirst for blood has been noted.

Yes Iran exists, but its bit off topic, don’t you think.

The head of the snake Iran is never off topic where Hamas is concerned, Oct 7th would not have happened without them.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Odd how the Palestinians attack the IDF with rocks and stones and knifes and car attacks , the IDF with all their firepower ,  going on suicide attacks to attack Israelis , yet they were kept in line by a group with AK47's.

 

Hamas are a viscous terrorist organization with a long history of heinous crimes, which they first unleashed on the Palestinians in order to put their tyranny in place.

 

Your post here fails to understand the tyranny under which Hamas rules over Gaza and the fact that Hamas and The People of Gaza are not the same thing.

 

The report in the OP is clear evidence that Hamas and the Palestinian people are not the same thing.

 

 

 

 

 

[proton]

The son of Hamas, our comrade on here probably thinks he's a traitor !

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Hamas and the Gazans are tools of Iran. You need to cut off the head of the snake.

 

At least my thirst for blood is for scumbag blood, unlike the cheers of the Hamas lovers here.

I absolutely agree Hamas is an agent of Iran.

 

To claim the ‘Gazans’ are is counter to the evidence of this report.

 

Perhaps ‘pawns’ in a proxy war would be a better description.

[proton]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hamas are a viscous terrorist organization with a long history of heinous crimes, which they first unleashed on the Palestinians in order to put their tyranny in place.

 

Your post here fails to understand the tyranny under which Hamas rules over Gaza and the fact that Hamas and The People of Gaza are not the same thing.

 

The report in the OP is clear evidence that Hamas and the Palestinian people are not the same thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The muslim hatred of Israel is all the same, you are just splitting hairs

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hamas are a viscous terrorist organization with a long history of heinous crimes, which they first unleashed on the Palestinians in order to put their tyranny in place.

 

 

   Hamas were actually elected by the Palestinian people , the Palestinians voted for Hamas to Govern them and they no measures taken to remove them from power 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hamas are a viscous terrorist organization with a long history of heinous crimes, which they first unleashed on the Palestinians in order to put their tyranny in place.

 

Your post here fails to understand the tyranny under which Hamas rules over Gaza and the fact that Hamas and The People of Gaza are not the same thing.

 

The report in the OP is clear evidence that Hamas and the Palestinian people are not the same thing.

 

 

The report is clear yes, but you've obviously not read it:

 

"A coalition of influential families, commonly referred to as the "clans," issued a rare and direct call to arms on Wednesday, urging Palestinians to stand against what they called “years of oppression.” These families have historically wielded significant power in Gaza, although Hamas has largely controlled them since taking over from the Palestinian Authority 18 years ago. "

 

The evidence is clear that far more Gazans are not protesting and in fact took part in the terrorist attacks.

[Moonlover]

26 minutes ago, proton said:

 

There are no Palestinian people, they are Arabs. There has never been a country called Palestine, most of what was called the protectorate of Palestine is now Syria, add to that Gaza and there is nothing to  'free'. What they mean by bleating that is the destruction of Israel, and that is not going to happen,

'The Palestinian people are Arabs who live—and have lived throughout history—in a certain geographical region in the Middle East. Generally, Palestine is used to refer to the geographic region spanning from the Mediterranean Sea in the east to the Jordan River in the west'.

 

It is the Israelis/Jews who are the infiltrators.

 

https://www.pcrf.net/information-you-should-know/who-are-the-palestinians.html#:~:text=The Palestinian people are Arabs,Jordan River in the west.

[Nick Carter icp]

21 minutes ago, sungod said:

 The cynic in me says they want Hamas removed so they can control their criminal empires unimpeded.

 

   I do believe that some of those other clans/factions are the ones holding the hostages in Gaza and that's why Hamas cannot state the condition of  the hostages .

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

'The Palestinian people are Arabs who live—and have lived throughout history—in a certain geographical region in the Middle East. Generally, Palestine is used to refer to the geographic region spanning from the Mediterranean Sea in the east to the Jordan River in the west'.

 

It is the Israelis/Jews who are the infiltrators.

 

https://www.pcrf.net/information-you-should-know/who-are-the-palestinians.html#:~:text=The Palestinian people are Arabs,Jordan River in the west.

 

   Do you realise that Jews have been living on Judea for 3500 years .

The land has been called Judea for 3450 years

[Eloquent pilgrim]

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How about discussing the topic rather than posting libelous accusations against people who don’t share your precise opinions?

 

 

 

 

 

Please tell me who I named in order to make my comment libellous, or do you not even know the meaning of libellous; considering you throw the word around with more abandon than you do ‘Islamophobic’ it might be helpful if you found out what it means, and how to use it correctly.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas were actually elected by the Palestinian people , the Palestinians voted for Hamas to Govern them and they no measures taken to remove them from power 

There you go again ignoring the viscous tyranny Hamas employs in subjugating the people of Gaza.

 

You mention both elections and removing Hamas from power, well yes the opportunity to do so in an election would be a good thing, there’s just the absence of such an opportunity.



 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go again ignoring the viscous tyranny Hamas employs in subjugating the people of Gaza.

 

You mention both elections and removing Hamas from power, well yes the opportunity to do so in an election would be a good thing, there’s just the absence of such an opportunity.
 

 

The people of Gaza would vote for Hamas if an election was held now though according to polls. An absence of a better alternative being the reason, There you go again, out of touch as usual

[Eloquent pilgrim]

17 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

'The Palestinian people are Arabs who live—and have lived throughout history—in a certain geographical region in the Middle East. Generally, Palestine is used to refer to the geographic region spanning from the Mediterranean Sea in the east to the Jordan River in the west'.

 

It is the Israelis/Jews who are the infiltrators.

 

https://www.pcrf.net/information-you-should-know/who-are-the-palestinians.html#:~:text=The Palestinian people are Arabs,Jordan River in the west.

 

You need to do a bit more research because Jews, and Judaism, began in the land now known as Israel in the 2nd Millennium BCE

 

 

 

 

[Moonlover]

28 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas were actually elected by the Palestinian people , the Palestinians voted for Hamas to Govern them and they no measures taken to remove them from power 

And I've no doubt that it has been said before that the German people voted for Hitler and there was only one known attempt to remove him.

[Wonderyenta]

19 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

'The Palestinian people are Arabs who live—and have lived throughout history—in a certain geographical region in the Middle East. Generally, Palestine is used to refer to the geographic region spanning from the Mediterranean Sea in the east to the Jordan River in the west'.

 

It is the Israelis/Jews who are the infiltrators.

 

https://www.pcrf.net/information-you-should-know/who-are-the-palestinians.html#:~:text=The Palestinian people are Arabs,Jordan River in the west.

Israelis/ Jews the infiltrators?? Consider the Hebrew language and script. How old is that Moonlover? Hebrew has been in use in the area since before Islam was dreamed up, before the Arabs started infiltrating the area. History for Israel didn’t begin in 1948 despite the current fashion to believe so. 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

And I've no doubt that it has been said before that the German people voted for Hitler and there was only one known attempt to remove him.

 

   You pro Palestinians just can't stop going on about Uncle Adolf .

What's the connection between being pro Palestinian and keep going on about Adolf Hitler all the time ?

   Some people keep saying his name just to taunt others 

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go again ignoring the viscous tyranny Hamas employs in subjugating the people of Gaza.

You mention both elections and removing Hamas from power, well yes the opportunity to do so in an election would be a good thing, there’s just the absence of such an opportunity.

 

   Do you support the IDF removing Hamas from power in Gaza ?

[Moonlover]

6 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

You need to do a bit more research because Jews, and Judaism, began in the land now known as Israel in the 2nd Millennium BCE

 

 

 

 

Yes I'm aware of that and the fact that they lived, peacefully alongside the indigenous Arabs for thousands of years up until the creation of Israel. The same Israel that then went on the rampage and stole Arab lands and ejected them from their homeland. And they continue to do so in the West Bank.

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

At least they are not toting AK47s and yelling "Allah Akba'.

 

They  most cerainly do, and were active participants in the attack on Israel.

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

So let me get this right. Pro Palestinian protestors should now be all over this cheering on their brothers and the uprising against the terrorists Hamas. The silence from them is deafening. Looks like they are all Hamas supporters after all. 

 

One would hope note. The clans are criminal in nature. Much of the theft of humanitarian aid is because of the clans. They also actively engaged in kidnap of Israelis for ransom, and not  political purposes. The clans also extort their own people. They are no different than any other organized criminal gang that plaguesurban areas.

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So pop goes the narrative that they are all Hamas supporters.

 

They are Hamas supporters when it suits their criminal profit motives. They don't like Hamas because Hamas would put a limit on their thieving and criminal activity.

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its well known general knowledge that there are numerous clans in Gaza that rival Hamas .

   Although they also oppose Israel as well .

The clans are Hamas rivals , rather than Hamas opposition 

 

Huzzah, someone  understands the local dynamics. These thugs participated in the October attacks not because of a political goal, but a desire to gain captives for ransom and release of their own gang members. They may also be angry at Hamas because the clans are holding some of the hostages and Hamas wants them to hand them over without  the clans gaining a ransom.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you are up for bombing Gaza despite the evidence in this report that many Palestinians oppose Hamas.

 

Did you think that through before posting?

 

Did you even read the OP?

 

The many who oppose Hamas, may be Fatah members still angry over their removal from power in Gaza. Or, they may be angray at Hamas for the curtailment of their criminal pursuits. Or they may be more radical groups like Islamic Jihad who wish to continue the war.

Remember that there was wide support and  cross group participation in the attack on Israel. Hostages were kept in people's homes, businesses, schools, hospitals and mosques. This could not have been done without  public participation.

 

Ideally, the war should stop. I too would like the bombing and carnage to stop, but it won't until one simple requirement is met, the release of the hostages. Israel is keeping up the pressure to force the release of the hostages. The Hamas and clan members are all eating well. They have access to their own health facilities and medical supplies taken from humanitarian aid. They are the people who  will decide when there will be peace.

[Moonlover]

10 minutes ago, Wonderyenta said:

Israelis/ Jews the infiltrators?? Consider the Hebrew language and script. How old is that Moonlover? Hebrew has been in use in the area since before Islam was dreamed up, before the Arabs started infiltrating the area. History for Israel didn’t begin in 1948 despite the current fashion to believe so. 

You're confusing Islam with an indigenous population of Arabs who were there long before Mohammed came along. Islam is just a convenient excuse.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Moonlover said:

Yes I'm aware of that and the fact that they lived, peacefully alongside the indigenous Arabs for thousands of years up until the creation of Israel. The same Israel that then went on the rampage and stole Arab lands and ejected them from their homeland. And they continue to do so in the West Bank.

 

    The West bank ?

Do you mean Judea ?

It only became known as a the West Bank when Jordon ruled it in 1950

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you support the IDF removing Hamas from power in Gaza ?

Yes.

 

But that’s not a blanket acceptance of anything Israel does to achieve that aim.

 

I believe I have given you this very same response to your very same question on at least two other occasions.

 

[impulse]

Call me cynical, but swapping out one regime for another has been pretty hit and miss in the Middle East.

 

[Patong2021]

2 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

You're confusing Islam with an indigenous population of Arabs who were there long before Mohammed came along. Islam is just a convenient excuse.

 

The Arabs you refer to migraged from Syria and the Arabian peninsula.

The Bedouin Arabs  are a nomadic people and drifted about and were primarily found in the Sinai  with nomadic excursions into the Negev and back.  Bedouins did not conflict with the. Israelites/Judeans and  were forced out of their nomadic range  at the same time as the Israelites/Judeans were forced out by the  immigration of Arabs.

 

You ignore the negative impact that the Roman occupation and Ottoman occupations had on  local peoples. They were disruptive forces that forcibly shifted populations from one region to another. You also ignore the  large influx of arabs into Gaza and  the Palestinian territory  as a result of the Suez canal. The Europeans built the canal using hundreds of 1 million+ Arabs recruited from North Africa, Syria, Arabia and Iraq. When these workers were used up and discarded, they often had nowhere to go. Egypt did not want them and there was no future for them in their country of origins. Large numbers were settled in  the Palestinian territory region.  They most certainly did not go home to a bungalow in Syria. The europeans exploited the Arabs, much as the Turks did. And they left a massive mess. Rather than take responsibility for it, they instead do what they have always done, blame someone else for the negative impact of their greed and colonialism.