Poll -- Should Hegseth Resign or Be Fired?

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15 hours ago, Cameroni said:

No, neither, he should continue to do the excellent job he is doing.

 

He was not responsible for the Singal Messenger mishap in the slightest.

Actually he is responsible. Signal is not an official government means of communication. In fact it is prohibited for government officials to use non-governmental communications systems particularly when in this case they actually set the conversations to self-destruct after a certain period of time. And apparently this isn't the first time they've used Signal either.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

None of what you suggesst happened. In fact the operation went ahead exactly as planned and was a resounding success. So de facto nothing was put at risk, as nothing happened.

 

Using a commercial app is the world we live in, just ask Hilary Clinton who used it for sensitive information. 

Just because the information was not acted upon does not excuse the breech of security. 

Why do you think Hillary Clinton destroyed her cellphone and other incriminating evidence?  Because she violated the rules.  Convenience never trumps security. 

[Cameroni]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually he is responsible. Signal is not an official government means of communication. In fact it is prohibited for government officials to use non-governmental communications systems particularly when in this case they actually set the conversations to self-destruct after a certain period of time. And apparently this isn't the first time they've used Signal either.

 

Total caca de toro. Even Biden allowed the use of Signal for his officials, It is actually one of the more secure messaging apps.

 

"Government officials have used Signal for organizational correspondence, such as scheduling sensitive meetings, but in the Biden administration, people who had permission to download it on their White House-issued phones were instructed to use the app sparingly, according to a former national security official who served in the administration.

 

The official, who requested anonymity to speak about methods used to share sensitive information, said Signal was most commonly used to notify someone that they should check for a classified message sent through other means.

 

Encrypted messaging apps are increasingly popular with government officials, according to a recent Associated Press review.

State, local and federal officials in nearly every state have accounts on encrypted messaging apps, according to the review, which found many of those accounts registered to government cellphone numbers. Some were also registered to personal numbers."

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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/heres-what-to-know-about-signal-the-messaging-app-used-in-apparent-leak-war-plans-journalist

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Total caca de toro. Even Biden allowed the use of Signal for his officials, It is actually one of the more secure messaging apps.

 

"Government officials have used Signal for organizational correspondence, such as scheduling sensitive meetings, but in the Biden administration, people who had permission to download it on their White House-issued phones were instructed to use the app sparingly, according to a former national security official who served in the administration.

 

The official, who requested anonymity to speak about methods used to share sensitive information, said Signal was most commonly used to notify someone that they should check for a classified message sent through other means.

 

Encrypted messaging apps are increasingly popular with government officials, according to a recent Associated Press review.

State, local and federal officials in nearly every state have accounts on encrypted messaging apps, according to the review, which found many of those accounts registered to government cellphone numbers. Some were also registered to personal numbers."

"

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/heres-what-to-know-about-signal-the-messaging-app-used-in-apparent-leak-war-plans-journalist

Thanks for confirming it was not used to convey classified communication. Until now.

[Cameroni]

Biden-era guidance encouraged use of Signal app by highly-targeted govt officials:

 

'Best practice'

'Adopt a free messaging application for secure communications that guarantees end-to-end encryption, such as Signal or similar apps,' 2024 CISA guidance reads.

 

The federal office in charge of ensuring cybersecurity at all levels of the government cited the use of encrypted messaging app Signal as a "best practice" for "highly targeted" government officials, the Biden-era document shows. 

 

Fox News Digital found that the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) outlined in a guide for federal employees late last year that encrypted messaging platforms such as Signal better protected officials against foreign enemy hackers amid a Chinese-linked cyber breach. CISA is an office under the Department of Homeland Security's umbrella that is charged with ensuring cybersecurity across all levels of government. 

 

The CISA guidance specifically cited that government officials should download "end-to-end encrypted communications" platforms to their cellphones and computers, specifically citing Signal as an app to download to comply with the best practices. 

 

CIA Director John Ratcliffe:

 

"One of the first things that happened when I was confirmed as CIA director was Signal was loaded onto my computer at, the CIA, as it is for most CIA officers, one of the things that I was briefed on very early, Senator, was by the CIA records management folks about the use of Signal as a permissible work use," he said. 

 

"It is, that is a practice that preceded the current administration to the Biden administration," he continued. 

 

"It is my understanding that the Biden administration authorized Signal as a means of communication that was consistent with presidential recordkeeping requirements for its administration, and that continued into the Trump administration," Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said during an appearance on "Fox & Friends" on Tuesday morning. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-era-guidance-encouraged-use-signal-app-highly-targeted-govt-officials-best-practice

[candide]

So most people who voted no, also voted that they would have voted no if Hillary had done the same thing!

What a joke! 🤣

 

"Lock her up"...🙂

[SunnyinBangrak]

39 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Just because the information was not acted upon does not excuse the breech of security. 

Why do you think Hillary Clinton destroyed her cellphone and other incriminating evidence?  Because she violated the rules.  Convenience never trumps security. 

Exactly. Wild to think if Hegseth gets his staff to smash his iphone with a hammer this whole storm in a teacup will be over. It is, after all, the left's gold standard of taking care of sensitive info breaches. Not as if the hivemind has double standards😁

[BLMFem]

16 hours ago, Cameroni said:

No, neither, he should continue to do the excellent job he is doing.

 

He was not responsible for the Singal Messenger mishap in the slightest.

 

15 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

For what? He did not do anything "heinous".

 

The Signal chat was not organised by him, ergo it was not his faux pas.

Mishap, faux pas! What's next, tiny indiscretion?😆

 

PS. Using the term "faux pas" in this context is incorrect. This wasn't "an embarrassing or tactless act or remark in a social situation."

[James65]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

The name did not appear in the chat so Goldberg could not have published it. He published that there was acess to a "top missile guy" however so the Houthis could make enquiries internally ,since presumably they have a limited number of "top missile guys".

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Whether or not this is classified information only Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth are in a position to determine.

 

The name of an undercover CIA operative was mentioned in the text of the chat.  Thats what I'm talking about.  Goldberg Redacted it at request of the CIA.  The CIA obviously knows that name is classified, not just Pete and Trump.  

 

So Pete clearly lied when he testified to congress that there was no classified information in the chat.  That lie alone is grounds for firing and prosecution.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_group_chat_leak

[BLMFem]

11 hours ago, Elkski said:

When are we going to go back to honor and the buck stops here.    Did you see the hearing with Tulsi.   All if them  no we haven't read that security protocol.   What worthless air breathers 

I watched parts of the hearing. Utter embarrassment and humiliation for Gabbard and Waltz so highly satisfying to watch. Poor Gabbard should have herself checked. Huge short term memory problems in such a relatively young person is alarming.

[Patong2021]

It looks like there are still some Americans who believe in  responsible  conduct. That was one angry group of Republicans

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/28/politics/video/victoria-spartz-town-hall-indiana-digvid

[Cameroni]

38 minutes ago, James65 said:

 

 

The name of an undercover CIA operative was mentioned in the text of the chat.  Thats what I'm talking about.  Goldberg Redacted it at request of the CIA.  The CIA obviously knows that name is classified, not just Pete and Trump.  

 

So Pete clearly lied when he testified to congress that there was no classified information in the chat.  That lie alone is grounds for firing and prosecution.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_group_chat_leak

 

We were talking about the Israeli operative that worked with the Houthi "top missile guy". His name was never mentioned. You are confusing the CIA's request not to name John Ratcliffe's chief of staff, merely due to the reason that CIA agents are not normally publicly identified. Nothing to do with "classified information".

 

Hegseth did not lie, he is the one who determines what is classified, as the Secretary of Defense, not you, not CNN, not the CIA. Only Trump can trump him on this issue.

 

 

[HappyExpat57]

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, James65 said:

 

 

The name of an undercover CIA operative was mentioned in the text of the chat.  Thats what I'm talking about.  Goldberg Redacted it at request of the CIA.  The CIA obviously knows that name is classified, not just Pete and Trump.  

 

So Pete clearly lied when he testified to congress that there was no classified information in the chat.  That lie alone is grounds for firing and prosecution.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_group_chat_leak

 

No. Again you are confused. A CIA spokesperson asked that the name of John Ratcliffe's chief of staff be redacted, simply because he is a CIA officer, and it is customary these are not named. It had nothing to do with "classified information" nor with the name of the Israeli operative working with the Houthis, who was never named. No "CIA operatives" were named whatsoever, only the chief of staff of John Ratcliffe, who of course is a CIA officer. It was his name that was redacted.

 

 

You need to get basic facts right, or you just lose credibility.

[jerrymahoney]

Agreed. Any person involved in the Houthi Missile guy attack was not named.

 

The discussion may soon turn to why that information on a need-to-know basis was included in the chat by Waltz at all.

 

From the NY POST:

 

Israel complains about SignalGate leak after giving US key intelligence used in Houthi strike: report

Published March 27, 2025, 6:42 p.m. ET

 

Israel provided the US with critical intelligence from an on-the-ground source in Yemen that was later leaked as part of the SignalGate scandal, according to a report.

 

In the Signal messages, national security adviser Mike Waltz told top Trump administration officials that intelligence had a “positive ID” of the Houthis’ “top missile guy” entering a building that was hit in the US airstrikes.

 

That message was revealed by the Atlantic this week after its editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg was inadvertently added to a private Signal chat on March 11 to plan out the strike.

 

Privately, Israeli officials complained to Washington that Waltz’s message about that intelligence went public, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing a US official.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/03/27/us-news/israel-complains-about-signalgate-leak-after-giving-us-key-intelligence-used-in-houthi-strike-report/

 

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4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Total caca de toro. Even Biden allowed the use of Signal for his officials, It is actually one of the more secure messaging apps.

 

"Government officials have used Signal for organizational correspondence, such as scheduling sensitive meetings, but in the Biden administration, people who had permission to download it on their White House-issued phones were instructed to use the app sparingly, according to a former national security official who served in the administration.

 

The official, who requested anonymity to speak about methods used to share sensitive information, said Signal was most commonly used to notify someone that they should check for a classified message sent through other means.

 

Encrypted messaging apps are increasingly popular with government officials, according to a recent Associated Press review.

State, local and federal officials in nearly every state have accounts on encrypted messaging apps, according to the review, which found many of those accounts registered to government cellphone numbers. Some were also registered to personal numbers."

"

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/heres-what-to-know-about-signal-the-messaging-app-used-in-apparent-leak-war-plans-journalist

Thanks for the correction. However, there's another issue of illegality that I haven't seen addressed (maybe I overlooked it?):

 

"Government watchdogs are also focused on the group chat’s sidestepping of records retention laws — another potential violation, and a broader sign officials may be using such platforms to avoid review of their communications under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

Both Zaid and McClanahan said the group chat’s disappearing message function for some of its content likely violated the Federal Records Act.

American Oversight filed a suit Tuesday to block any destruction of the records of the chat, which have since been shared by The Atlantic."

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5218181-signal-chat-violates-espionage-act/

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for the correction. However, there's another issue of illegality that I haven't seen addressed (maybe I overlooked it?):

 

"Government watchdogs are also focused on the group chat’s sidestepping of records retention laws — another potential violation, and a broader sign officials may be using such platforms to avoid review of their communications under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

Both Zaid and McClanahan said the group chat’s disappearing message function for some of its content likely violated the Federal Records Act.

American Oversight filed a suit Tuesday to block any destruction of the records of the chat, which have since been shared by The Atlantic."

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5218181-signal-chat-violates-espionage-act/

Has been mentioned, but not addressed.

[Artisi]

17 hours ago, Dan O said:

I think my statement was accurate so maybe its you then that has no purpose and is stupid if you cant comprehend 2 significant points in a simple point. Where my words to big? I will give you a participation medal for at least trying as you probably expect that.

Seems my words were way over the the top for you, "this" poster was in reference to poster you were discussing and my agreement with your comment. 

So it would seem it is you having problems comprehending a simple and small worded comment. 

 

 

[howlee101]

22 hours ago, stevenl said:

Please define left and far left.

Left, the other side of right. Far left, farther to the other side of left. If you want, I can draw a picture 🤨

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, howlee101 said:

Left, the other side of right. Far left, farther to the other side of left. If you want, I can draw a picture 🤨

So you're ranting without substance.

[Dan O]

6 hours ago, Artisi said:

Seems my words were way over the the top for you, "this" poster was in reference to poster you were discussing and my agreement with your comment. 

So it would seem it is you having problems comprehending a simple and small worded comment. 

 

 

People are not mind readers and dont know you intention. Perhaps you should be clearer on what you post. If your comment was to someone else you should have posted that statement to that person or identified that in your comment.  You have a great day now

[HappyExpat57]

The most disgusting part of this whole scandal is the hypocrisy. Can you imagine  Jim Jordan foaming at the mouth, racing to put together a committee to hang 'em high had it been Democrats who broke the law like this?

[jerrymahoney]

The most tangible thing to come out of this so far may be that the Israelis have now found out up-close-&-personal what a bunch of intelligence amateurs that they will have to deal with for the next few years.

[Presnock]

On 3/29/2025 at 8:20 PM, Jingthing said:

The poll questions speak for themselves.

personally for my own satisfaction totally, I would like to have known if folks voting were Americans or not.  I a former worker in classified spaces, having taking the oaths many times, and under oath to FBI and IG's too, think that he should be in jail along with the other millionaire/billionaires who think that they are above common folk rules/laws of the nation.  I on the other hand think all of them should spend a little time in jail at least plus a significant fine and removal of any position within the US government.  This is my HONEST OPINION FOR SURE!

[Presnock]

On 3/30/2025 at 8:36 AM, Yagoda said:

What is that track record? DWIs, arrests, drunk on duty, how about over at Fox News, drunk all the time?

 

How about this. You are shouting a lie.

 

Show us what was classified. Show us anyhting that shows using Signal was unusual in prior admins.

 

As to the rest, you seem pretty defensive. about your constant spew of propaganda.

you are obviously a communist supporter IMHO or you would clearly understand what classified material is to an American and especially an American veteran.  As for SIGNAL, Bidem's people said that they used it for just communicating mundane like using the phone as they were always warned by the FBI and intel people that it was almost like using a regular phone and Russia and China were no doubt monitoring the SIGNAL on the airwaves .  It has always been forbidden by LAW to use this SIGNAL for any classified information.  Just because you obviously haven't seen much of the news about this or you like I said have no clue what could possibly be classified.  If you haven't heard, suggest you try to find it as one portion actually says "target individual just entered his girlfriends house" which if anyone has any smarts they would realize that by now even the dumbest Houti would know that obviously the US intel has some source right near the target area and would be sending their worse interogators to try to find out who was a spy for the US or a US ally.  Sorry I ran on about you lack of any intelligence and please don't think I denigrate anyone ever so you don't have to take this personally.

[Presnock]

21 hours ago, candide said:

So most people who voted no, also voted that they would have voted no if Hillary had done the same thing!

What a joke! 🤣

 

"Lock her up"...🙂

totally agree with this writer - lock them up together even to save some space for all the others on that chat!

[Presnock]

On 3/30/2025 at 7:19 AM, Yagoda said:

I'd vote for him for president down the line. He's an honorable man, served his country, well-educated, patriotic, well spoken, in great physical shape, lovely family and children, and example of the type of American man that has done such fabulous Deeds for the world.

Actually reading your notes, I think that you must be IN LOVE with him!  Probably would make El Presidente jealous if he read your notes IMHO!

[jerrymahoney]

Yagoda had it all worked out before:

Wow. That tells us a lot. Bet ya if the terrs read that they would leave the 7-11 and run for their bunkers.

The targeted bunkers.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1356189-poll-should-hegseth-resign-or-be-fired/page/2/#findComment-19695460

[jerrymahoney]

11 minutes ago, Presnock said:

.  If you haven't heard, suggest you try to find it as one portion actually says "target individual just entered his girlfriends house" which if anyone has any smarts they would realize that by now even the dumbest Houti would know that obviously the US intel has some source right near the target area and would be sending their worse interogators to try to find out who was a spy for the US or a US ally. 

[Presnock]

33 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The most tangible thing to come out of this so far may be that the Israelis have now found out up-close-&-personal what a bunch of intelligence amateurs that they will have to deal with for the next few years.

Yeah it was bad enough when Trump exposed some Israeli intel when he was chatting with the Russian Lavrov!  So secty of Defense fits right in there with his boss! IMHO