What triggers 90 day report?

[Liquorice]

15 hours ago, Chalky0w said:

If it is a requirement, surely we should be told officially or do I just put it down to TIT?

It's a requirement under the Thai Immigration Act, which is law.

Section 37, clause 5.

5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, such alien must notify the competent official at the Immigration Division , in writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is required to do so every ninety days. Where there is an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a competent Immigration Official of that office.

 

If you're going to visit or stay in a foreign Country, it's your responsibility to research some basic laws.

[OJAS]

18 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

It's a requirement under the Thai Immigration Act, which is law.

Section 37, clause 5.

5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, such alien must notify the competent official at the Immigration Division , in writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is required to do so every ninety days. Where there is an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a competent Immigration Official of that office.

 

If you're going to visit or stay in a foreign Country, it's your responsibility to research some basic laws.

 

I get the impression that the OP seriously considers it to be his god-given right to be spoonfed with detailed info about each and every relevant law passed in Thailand (and presumably in his home country as well), which could impact on how he leads his life!

 

[OJAS]

15 hours ago, NanLaew said:

You don't have, or know how to use a calendar?

 

Or an abacus?

 

[James65]

21 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

It's a requirement under the Thai Immigration Act, which is law.

Section 37, clause 5.

5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, such alien must notify the competent official at the Immigration Division , in writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is required to do so every ninety days. Where there is an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a competent Immigration Official of that office.

 

If you're going to visit or stay in a foreign Country, it's your responsibility to research some basic laws.

 

Is there any official website where a foreigner could find this information?

 

It seems like the only way to do "research" on Thai laws is to ask questions on forums like this or to read through hundreds of unofficial websites that have conflicting information.

[Liquorice]

5 minutes ago, James65 said:

Is there any official website where a foreigner could find this information?

https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/home_en/#

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/#service

[Thingamabob]

Difficult to understand just what your problem is. You are required to report to an immigration office every 90 days spent in Thailand. If you have a problem counting, or understanding a calendar, find someone to help you.

[James65]

6 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/home_en/#

 

https://www.immigration.go.th/#service

I really don't think it's possible for any non-thai speaker to use either of those websites for find this requirement.  The translations are too bad.

 

 For example one says:

" According to The Immigration Act,B.E.2522,the foreigner who has received a temporary stay permit and stayed in the Kingdom of Thailand over 90 days must notify his/her residence to immigration officer every 90 days."

 

What's a "temporary stay permit"?  It doesn't exist, so everyone reading this will think the 90 day report doesn't apply to them.

[Chalky0w]

 

To be pedantic…

 

Immigration official website Liquorice linked to references non-immigrant visa so not DTV and no reason to assume it applies to DTV holders.

 

TM47 form itself references tourist or non-imm visa but not DTV.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Liquorice]

1 minute ago, James65 said:

 For example one says:

" According to The Immigration Act,B.E.2522,the foreigner who has received a temporary stay permit and stayed in the Kingdom of Thailand over 90 days must notify his/her residence to immigration officer every 90 days."

 

What's a "temporary stay permit"?  It doesn't exist, so everyone reading this will think the 90 day report doesn't apply to them.

When you first enter the Country, you are stamped with a 'temporary permit of stay' stamp, which is often referred to as an 'entry stamp'.

It's a permit allowing you to stay for a temporary period of time.

"Permitted to stay until (date)"

You can then extend this temporary permitted period of stay in many instances for many reasons, such as retirement or Thai spouse.

 

Although Immigration officials often use the incorrect term 'visa', the stamp is actually a 'permit', not a visa.
Visas cannot be extended, temporary permissions of stay can be extended.

Unfortunately, most people don't read the stamp wording or the documents they complete.

 

Thailands Ministry of Foreign Affairs states;

https://www.mfa.go.th/en/page/general-information?menu=5e1ff6d057b01e00a6391dc5

7. Please note that the period of visa validity is different from the period of stay.  Visa validity is the period during which a visa can be used to enter Thailand.  In general, the validity of a visa is 3 months, but in some cases, visas may be issued to be valid for 6 months, 1 year or 3 years.  The validity of a visa is granted with discretion by the Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General and is displayed on the visa sticker. 

 

8. On the other hand, the period of stay is granted by an immigration officer upon arrival at the port of entry and in accordance with the type of visa.  For example, the period of stay for a transit visa is not exceeding 30 days, for a tourist visa is not exceeding 60 days and for a non-immigrant visa is not exceeding 90 days from the arrival date.  The period of stay granted by the immigration officer is displayed on the arrival stamp.  Travellers who wish to stay longer than such period may apply for extension of stay at offices of the Immigration Bureau

[Liquorice]

19 minutes ago, James65 said:

I really don't think it's possible for any non-thai speaker to use either of those websites for find this requirement.  The translations are too bad.

You don't have to translate, the sites are available in both Thai and English.

[edwardflory]

"""wondering what triggers the need to do a 90 day report"""

 

90 days physically in THAILAND. Day 1 starts AS SOON AS you pass the Immigration Officer.  Many offices will let you do 5 days early. Check a calendar, like we all do, if no slip in passport.

 

NOTE 1:  ever heard  TM-30 that has to be done within 24 hours

1) of finding a place to stay  in Thailand?

2) when you move to a different location

NOTE 2: a legit hotel and SOME landlords do automatically .

 

TM-30 Reference..Sections 4 & 38 of the Immigration Act and revisions.

[Liquorice]

9 minutes ago, Chalky0w said:

Immigration official website Liquorice linked to references non-immigrant visa so not DTV and no reason to assume it applies to DTV holders.

 

TM47 form itself references tourist or non-imm visa but not DTV.

Covered previously in other topics.

The DTV is a glorified Tourist type visa, and each entry permits a temporary stay of 180 days.
The law is that if you stay for 90 consecutive days in Thailand, you must submit a 90 day report.

 

You have the option to leave and re-enter every 90 days, as the DTV is multi entry, if you don't want to submit a 90-day report

[James65]

15 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

36 minutes ago, James65 said:

I really don't think it's possible for any non-thai speaker to use either of those websites for find this requirement.  The translations are too bad.

You don't have to translate, the sites are available in both Thai and English.

But they are using some automatic translation that is terrible and often makes no sense.  It's not translated by a human.

[James65]

19 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

When you first enter the Country, you are stamped with a 'temporary permit of stay' stamp, which is often referred to as an 'entry stamp'.

It's a permit allowing you to stay for a temporary period of time.

"Permitted to stay until (date)"

You can then extend this temporary permitted period of stay in many instances for many reasons, such as retirement or Thai spouse.

 

Although Immigration officials often use the incorrect term 'visa', the stamp is actually a 'permit', not a visa.
Visas cannot be extended, temporary permissions of stay can be extended.

Unfortunately, most people don't read the stamp wording or the documents they complete.

 

Then they should define somewhere what a "temporary stay permit" means.  There is no way anyone could possibly guess that without some explanation.

[newbee2022]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

You must be using online reporting option. Even then it's problematic. 

Where do you think could be a problem?😳

When I get the email I have 3 weeks to send my application.

[KannikaP]

4 hours ago, Chalky0w said:

 

Perfectly capable of counting to 90 days. The issue I have is that no official communication that you need to and instead have to rely on 2nd hand information

For how long have you been in Thailand?

[KannikaP]

4 minutes ago, James65 said:

 

Then they should define somewhere what a "temporary stay permit" means.  There is no way anyone could possibly guess that without some explanation.

The stamp saying 'temporary stay' should have a date stamped to tell you when you need to extend. 

But this thread is about 90 days reporting.

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Where do you think could be a problem?😳

When I get the email I have 3 weeks to send my application.

Email from who. 

To receive reminder you would be doing reporting online. 

 

That goes out the window if you exit and reenter Thailand. 

 

On top of that even if remaining in Thailand and doing reports online sometimes reminder is not sent. 

Bottom line do it yourself and enter into phone calendar. 

[James65]

12 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

The stamp saying 'temporary stay' should have a date stamped to tell you when you need to extend. 

That would help, but of course the stamps don't say "temporary stay".......

[newbee2022]

10 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Email from who. 

To receive reminder you would be doing reporting online. 

 

That goes out the window if you exit and reenter Thailand. 

 

On top of that even if remaining in Thailand and doing reports online sometimes reminder is not sent. 

Bottom line do it yourself and enter into phone calendar. 

Ok, I agree. I got it on my phone as well. In addition a sticker on the fridge 

[Liquorice]

4 minutes ago, James65 said:

 

Then they should define somewhere what a "temporary stay permit" means.  There is no way anyone could possibly guess that without some explanation.

Why, it's self explanatory if you read the available information and forms you complete.

 

A visa validity is the period during which you can enter Thailand.

On entry you are granted temporary permission of stay as noted on the stamp.

"Admitted until (date)", which is limited depending on the method of entry.

 

You can then extend that period of stay.
TM7 form clearly states "Application for extension of temporary stay in the Kingdom" - so you're applying to extend the period of stay previously granted.

 

On applying to extend your period of stay you'll be asked to complete and sign a number of forms, mainly the terms and conditions of the overstay rules, and form STM2 which is titled "Acknowledgement of terms and conditions for permit of temporary stay in the Kingdom of Thailand"

The final clause states;

I do hereby acknowledge the terms and conditions of this permit ................

The stamp is a permit granting temporary permission of stay. "Extension of stay permitted up to (date)".

 

 

[KannikaP]

10 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Ok, I agree. I got it on my phone as well. In addition a sticker on the fridge 

OK, but if you lose your phone and someone nicks your fridge you are buggered!  555

[Liquorice]

15 minutes ago, James65 said:

That would help, but of course the stamps don't say "temporary stay".......

The TM7 form does.

 

 

[WDSmart]

What triggers a 90-day Report? ...90 days. 

[Liquorice]

16 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Ok, I agree. I got it on my phone as well. In addition a sticker on the fridge 

Every New Year, I call into my local bank branch and obtain a free desk calendar.
I subsequently mark the due 90 day report dates on the calendar as well as placing a reminder 7 days beforehand on my PC.

 

As @DrJack54 stated, email reminders are not reliable.

In the previous 2 years, I received only 3 email reminders from Immigration.

[James65]

9 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

25 minutes ago, James65 said:

That would help, but of course the stamps don't say "temporary stay".......

The TM7 form does.

Most of us with a DTV will never use that form because we won't bother extending.

[KannikaP]

13 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Every New Year, I call into my local bank branch and obtain a free desk calendar.
I subsequently mark the due 90 day report dates on the calendar as well as placing a reminder 7 days beforehand on my PC.

 

As @DrJack54 stated, email reminders are not reliable.

In the previous 2 years, I received only 3 email reminders from Immigration.

An email reminder is only sent if you previously reported online. 

[KannikaP]

7 minutes ago, James65 said:

Most of us with a DTV will never use that form because we won't bother extending.

Then you will have to find alternative ways of remembering. Have you got a fridge like newbee2022?  555

[Liquorice]

54 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

An email reminder is only sent if you previously reported online. 

6 online reports, only 3 email reminders.

For some reason, you do not always receive an email reminder, which is why I rely on different reminder methods.

[Suitcase]

6 hours ago, Chalky0w said:

 

Perfectly capable of counting to 90 days. The issue I have is that no official communication that you need to and instead have to rely on 2nd hand information

Get a life, no one else has as much trouble as you do