Consumer sentiment tanks

[BLMFem]

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

hopefully AI / robotics can help out.

imagine an army of robots cleaning up the oceans

Or cleaning up humanity.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Or cleaning up humanity.

Haha, what do you mean by that? 

my sentiment for your threads is tanking. 

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Lowest since 2022, when who was president.  BUT, not as low as 2022, when who was president 

If you go to the FRED web site https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMCSENT 

you'll notice there are no Biden and Trump red arrows on the graphs like you have plastered on them. The charts are based on finance studies, not some hacks political beliefs.

[BLMFem]

1 minute ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

If you go to the FRED web site https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMCSENT 

you'll notice there are no Biden and Trump red arrows on the graphs like you have plastered on them. The charts are based on finance studies, not some hacks political beliefs.

You'll have to excuse him. The urge to use crayons run deep with the MAGA crowd.

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1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

90% of the threads are now in 'Political Soapbox' forum ...

 

... go figure 

 

Economic speculation from the mentally ill ... IMHO

 

Seems to be a common theme on AN, no matter what the comparison is, too funny ...

 

... Trump - bad

... Biden - good

 

Lowest since 2022, when who was president.  BUT, not as low as 2022, when who was president 

 

 

 

Thanks for the dishonest version of the graph, It says a lot about the kind of sources

 

you get your information from. Here's the real graph.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/11/economy/us-consumer-sentiment-april/index.html

[Jim Blue]

1 hour ago, blaze master said:

 

Yes a population culling would be far far more effective. I'm thinking about 70 or 80 percent will do just fine. 

Perhaps  culling is a bit harsh more probably " we can't afford another one " will be the new normal.

Trump may achieve what the climate  people couldn't   !

[KhunLA]

32 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

If you go to the FRED web site https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMCSENT 

you'll notice there are no Biden and Trump red arrows on the graphs like you have plastered on them. The charts are based on finance studies, not some hacks political beliefs.

Yea, Buddha forbid people should actually think for themselves 

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4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Yea, Buddha forbid people should actually think for themselves 

I like to think Buddha would tell you garbage in garbage out. As in the case of that fake graphic you posted re consumer sentiment.

[KhunLA]

28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I like to think Buddha would tell you garbage in garbage out. As in the case of that fake graphic you posted re consumer sentiment.

Want hold my breath for an apology ... 

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMCSENT

 

 

[LosLobo]

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

But the current capitalist system as we know it may come to an end soon. Possibly, perhaps. Depends whose agenda gets pushed. If the WEF gets its way, then almost certainly. 

 

Precisely to counter-act the conflict between endless GDP growth and the impact on the environment.

 

As far as I can tell, I cannot connect the dots to this with anything Trump is doing ... not yet anyway. 

 

But perhaps people can start training themselves to be less reactive .... like if the S&P 500 doesn't go up 20% every year, maybe it doesn't need to. 

 

 

When someone says, “I cannot connect the dots,” especially while invoking Trump, it sounds less like a personal shortcoming and more like a mission statement of the movement.

Reasoning and critical thinking are the anathema of MAGA—connecting dots requires nuance, logic, and the courage to confront inconvenient truths.

None of that flies in a cult that runs on grievance, gut instinct, and blind loyalty. The less you think, the deeper you’re in.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, LosLobo said:

None of that flies in a cult that runs on grievance, gut instinct, and blind loyalty. The less you think, the deeper you’re in.

Yeah, but you guys have BLMFem on your team. 

[Hamus Yaigh]

46 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Yea, Buddha forbid people should actually think for themselves 

Believe it or not is it possible to think without left or right political tinted glasses on. Try it sometime. You'll gain more friends and be less tedious to talk to, A win win I'd posit.

[BLMFem]

42 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I like to think Buddha would tell you garbage in garbage out. As in the case of that fake graphic you posted re consumer sentiment.

 

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Want hold my breath for an apology ... 

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMCSENT

 

 

Yes, his graph only goes to 2025-02-01 so he's lying. The numbers I linked to in the OP are from this month. Again, from the linked article:

 

"The University of Michigan consumer sentiment for the US plunged to 50.8 in April 2025, the lowest level since June 2022 from 57 in March, well below forecasts of 54.5, preliminary estimates showed. Consumer sentiment fell for the fourth straight month, and has now lost more than 30% since December 2024 amid growing worries about trade war developments that have oscillated over the course of the year."

 

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18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Want hold my breath for an apology ... 

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMCSENT

 

 

 

Since I don't owe you one, that makes sense:

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMCSENT

From the marxist-leninists at Fox Business News:

Consumer sentiment declined sharply in April as 12-month inflation expectations surged to the highest level since 1981 amid President Donald Trump's escalating trade war.

The University of Michigan's Surveys of Consumers on Friday reported that its Consumer Sentiment Index dropped to 50.8 this month from 57 in April, a steeper decline than the 54.5 forecasted by economists polled by Reuters. It marked the fourth straight monthly decline in consumer sentiment.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/recession-fears-tariff-uncertainty-prompt-plunge-consumer-sentiment

 

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7 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

 

Yes, his graph only goes to 2025-02-01 so he's lying. The numbers I linked to in the OP are from this month. Again, from the linked article:

 

"The University of Michigan consumer sentiment for the US plunged to 50.8 in April 2025, the lowest level since June 2022 from 57 in March, well below forecasts of 54.5, preliminary estimates showed. Consumer sentiment fell for the fourth straight month, and has now lost more than 30% since December 2024 amid growing worries about trade war developments that have oscillated over the course of the year."

 

I actually don't think he's lying. He got this information from some garbage pi of a website and posted it.

[KhunLA]

21 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

 

Yes, his graph only goes to 2025-02-01 so he's lying. The numbers I linked to in the OP are from this month. Again, from the linked article:

 

"The University of Michigan consumer sentiment for the US plunged to 50.8 in April 2025, the lowest level since June 2022 from 57 in March, well below forecasts of 54.5, preliminary estimates showed. Consumer sentiment fell for the fourth straight month, and has now lost more than 30% since December 2024 amid growing worries about trade war developments that have oscillated over the course of the year."

 

I only typed, searched to see if OP was even real, as never heard or cared about such a chart.

 

Type in U or M bla bla bla, 'historical chart', and that's what came up.

 

Could care less about researching any further, as that silliness doesn't affect me.  Just notice his, Trumps 1 was at a high, and Biden a lower than low.

 

Stop cherry picking.  And of all things, 'opinions' of people.  WTF

 

That's the best you hateful people can come up with 

[KhunLA]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Since I don't owe you one, that makes sense:

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UMCSENT

From the marxist-leninists at Fox Business News:

Consumer sentiment declined sharply in April as 12-month inflation expectations surged to the highest level since 1981 amid President Donald Trump's escalating trade war.

The University of Michigan's Surveys of Consumers on Friday reported that its Consumer Sentiment Index dropped to 50.8 this month from 57 in April, a steeper decline than the 54.5 forecasted by economists polled by Reuters. It marked the fourth straight monthly decline in consumer sentiment.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/recession-fears-tariff-uncertainty-prompt-plunge-consumer-sentiment

 

More silliness ... '12 month "expectations", so it didn't happen yet ...

   

[BLMFem]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I only typed, searched to see if OP was even real, as never heard or cared about such a chart.

 

Type in U or M bla bla bla, 'historical chart', and that's what came up.

 

Could care less about researching any further, as that silliness doesn't affect me.  Just notice his, Trumps 1 was at a high, and Biden a lower than low.

 

Stop cherry picking.  And of all things, 'opinions' of people.  WTF

 

That's the best you hateful people can come up with 

Nice attempt at deflecting from the fact that consumer confidence numbers is something economists take very seriously, and Trump is single-handedly tanking the numbers.

Well done, Donald!

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11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

More silliness ... '12 month "expectations", so it didn't happen yet ...

   

How does that differ from the chart you cited?  And that fact is you got it wrong. And you said you wouldn't expect an apology from me for getting it wrong. But I didn't did it. . And when it comes down to who should be offering an apology, by the light of your own comments, it should be you. But I won't hold my breath waiting for one. Your conduct is dishonorable.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, but you guys have BLMFem on your team. 

Not sure what “team” you think I’m on, but I don’t know BLMFEM, and I don’t answer for him. If you don't like what he says maybe take it up with him.

My team is honesty, truth, and reason. If my post hit too close to home, maybe take that up with your own reflection.

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

🙄

 

So far he's doing OK, but it's early.  Got a few wins already.

 

Really. Please name them.

 

"I'll end the war in Ukraine in one day".

 

The first time in American financial history  bond prices have fallen along with share prices.

 

Canada is the 51st state, and Greenland has been bought from Denmark.

 

Trump is winning the tariff war with China.

 

He has strengthened ties with America's allies.

 

His health secretary is handling a measles epidemic with skill, as he did in American Samoa.

 

I'll put in a sarcasm alert here, IMO MAGA s are too thick otherwise.

 

 

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Nice attempt at deflecting from the fact that consumer confidence numbers is something economists take very seriously, and Trump is single-handedly tanking the numbers.

Well done, Donald!

Really ... economists 🙄

That means what to who ?

 

I've traded stocks, and other investments, and I've never heard of the 'consumer sentiment index' or ever heard another trader or business person mention it.

 

About as important to the USA economy as the Dow or S&P's ups & downs ... meaningless.

 

Notice the consumer sentiment was up during most of Trump 1, but the value of the dollar, exchange rate with THB dropped almost 15% at one point ... hmm

 

The opposite with Biden's low, and dollar strength was highest against the THB than past 15 or so years ... go figure.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Really ... economists 🙄

That means what to who ?

 

I've traded stocks, and other investments, and I've never heard of the 'consumer sentiment index' or ever heard another trader or business person mention it.

 

About as important to the USA economy as the Dow or S&P's ups & downs ... meaningless.

 

Notice the consumer sentiment was up during most of Trump 1, but the value of the dollar, exchange rate with THB dropped almost 15% at one point ... hmm

 

The opposite with Biden's low, and dollar strength was highest against the THB than past 15 or so years ... go figure.

Stock market ups and downs can be nothing much or they can be a message saying - hey - it seems you are doing something really stupid - please change course. This was the latter.