Stop Calling It Autism. Start Calling It Vaccine-Induced Encephalopathy

[newbee2022]

On 4/19/2025 at 2:09 AM, kwilco said:

Yes, the study that originally claimed a link between vaccines and autism has been thoroughly discredited—both scientifically and ethically.

Here are the key facts:

The Study: It was a 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield, published in The Lancet, which suggested a link between the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine and autism.

Flawed and Fraudulent: The study had:

A sample size of only 12 children.

No control group.

Cherry-picked and falsified data.

Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest (Wakefield was funded by lawyers suing vaccine manufacturers).

Consequences:

The paper was retracted by The Lancet in 2010.

Wakefield lost his medical license due to serious professional misconduct.

Scientific Consensus:

Over 25 large-scale, peer-reviewed studies have found no causal link between vaccines and autism.

Health organizations worldwide—including the CDC, WHO, NHS, and American Academy of Pediatrics—have confirmed vaccines are safe and do not cause autism.

So yes, not only was the original study disgraced, it also sparked a damaging wave of anti-vaccine hysteria that continues to harm public health today.

Read here:

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2603512/

 

[newbee2022]

16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

And this is precisely why your commentary consistently misses the mark - it leans on shallow soundbites and cherry-picked stats instead of engaging with any real critical thought.

 

For clarity: my original comment was a joke aimed at the conspiracy-addled dimwits who genuinely believe this nonsense. But instead of clocking the satire, you took it at face value and ran with a tired, misinformed narrative - one I’ll now dismantle with a little common sense.

 

 

Over the past 50 years, the reported rate of autism has increased significantly, but this rise is largely due to changes in how we define, diagnose, and understand autism rather than a true surge in how many people are actually autistic.

 

Earlier definitions were narrow, often recognising only the most severe cases. But over time, autism has come to be understood as a spectrum, capturing a wider range of traits and behaviours - including those previously overlooked or mislabelled.

 

Updates in diagnostic manuals (like the DSM), along with greater public and professional awareness, have led to more people being assessed and diagnosed.

 

Other factors contributing to the rise include improved access to services that require a formal diagnosis, and "diagnostic substitution" - where individuals who might once have been diagnosed with other conditions (such as intellectual disability or language disorders) are now recognised as autistic.

 

While there’s ongoing research into potential biological or environmental causes, most of the increase can be attributed to broader criteria, better tools, and more awareness, not a true spike in prevalence.

 

Hence - the statistic you presented is a utter pile of rubbish... perhaps you were one of those who went undiagnosed...

 

 

 

 

 

You got a good moment: I have to agree with you! 

[Adam Tomaszewski]

 No company in the world's doing any research on BILL GATES covid19 vaccines. Deliberate reduction of the world's population. The whole world knows about it, except Thailand - corruption.

[Mark Nothing]

Have you considered looking at this issue from a motive perspective of those making the decisions on vaccines?

 

You are mainly looking at the results without taking into account why they are doing this.  

 

I was surprised by the results when looking at the whys.  I think they are trying to make it obvious what doesn't work and forcing us to snap out of our stupor and find out the truth of how to be healthy.  It requires dismantling one construct and rebuilding another.

 

[Justanotherone]

my 50 satang on this...

 

people are stuck in their ways... they believed covid shot safe and effective, because media spoon fed them, paid by the people who make 100 billion dollars profit from it...

 

you can change ugly, but not stupid

 

the same people stuck in their way, also probably believe LEAD in gasoline was healthy... it almost killed the whole world ... lead and other metals are stuck in the brain , and you can't detox it... sadly

 

probably the same people that for decades smoked as it was safe, your dr. prefer camel... blabla

 

could be vaccines

 

could be glyphosate that is patented as an antibiotic

 

real autistic children, have an overload of bad bacteria, smelly poop...

 

it's like being high or drunk all the time ...

 

not the new generation z or alpha that claims... I have autism, like the one on survivor

 

if she had real autism, she would not want to interact with others, not want to be around people. not verbal and wearing a diaper as an adult...

 

you can't convince people that big pharma corrupted politicians, governments, both sides, to change nothing, as a healthy person is a bad customer...

 

 

 

[Hervey Bay]

There are at least 150 genes associated with autism, and I have no doubt that it is both genetic and environmental. About many other conditions they say that "genes load the gun, and environment pulls the trigger".

The actor Robert De Niro (who is no fool, by any means) has an autistic son, and he is adamant that the kid was perfectly normal until he got vaccinated.

[Red Phoenix]

Why Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

Past discoveries that can help us understand the current wave of neurological injuries and the silence surrounding them

Source: https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-do-vaccines-cause-autism

= = =

One of the most challenging things for me throughout my time in the medical field has been watching children become neurologically damaged by vaccines, and the widespread blindness of the medical profession to this issue.  Unfortunately, because so much money has been spent to engineer the societal belief that vaccines do not cause autism, anyone who asserts otherwise is immediately subject to widespread ridicule, to the point it’s mostly a lost cause to convince medical professionals vaccines aren’t always safe. Sadly, in many cases, the only thing that can open their eyes is their own child being severely injured.

Since one of the central reasons the autism-vaccine link has always been dismissed is that there’s no established mechanism to explain how vaccines could cause autism, this article will focus on that question and why there has been so much resistance to understanding what is behind the autism epidemic.

Note: this is a significantly revised and updated version of a previously published article.

 

> The lengthy and very worthwhile article then delves deep into the possible mechanisms that link vaccines to autism, and at the end of the article a Midwestern Doctor recaps: 

 

1. Contrary to popular belief, there is actually a great deal of compelling evidence linking vaccines to autism.

2. There is presently no accepted explanation for what is causing the explosion of autism we are facing.

3. The only solution that’s been offered for autism is more care services (Peter Hotez even cites money being diverted from those care services into looking at the causes of autism as why it is so unconscionable for anyone to link vaccines to autism)—something that is not sustainable as the numbers of autistic children keep increasing.

4. The explosion of autism is one of the costliest diseases facing our country, so decades of hand waving that has insisted there’s no scientifically valid explanation for this explosion simply doesn’t cut it.

Fortunately, for the existing PR system to work, it has to have a monopoly on all sources of information so that its absurd narratives can always remain unchallenged. While that was long the case, over the last few years, that monopoly has broken, in part due to recent political shifts inviting widespread skepticism of the media (e.g., everyone being lied to about the COVID vaccines) and in part due to the internet more and more enabling the free diffusion of information.

That, in short, is why RFK Jr. is now able to conduct a real investigation into the causes of autism that should have been done decades ago but never was and why each of us must use our voice to make sure he is able to conduct that investigation.

 

Source: : https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-do-vaccines-cause-autism

 

[ericbj]

On 4/16/2025 at 7:55 PM, rattlesnake said:

Indeed. The good news is that unlike what the medical establishment claims, the damage is (at least partially) reversible, by eliminating the heavy metals trapped in the brain, whch don't eliminate themselves natutally. These heavy metals are responsible for all these new behaviour problems, as well as seizures.

 

A fundamental book on the matter is Anthony William's Brain Saver:

 

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/medical-medium-brain-saver-anthony-william/1141815633

 

Fiji mineral water (available in Thailand) is also a good and easy option, as the high silica content gradually eliminates the toxic material from the system. It can be consumed by everybody, even those who have no apparent issues, as if you have ever received a vax, you have been poisoned and the residue in the body can cause ailments later in life such as Alzeimer's, dementia, as well as cancer.

 

It is quite possible that the heavy metals in vaccines are the cause of recent cases of 'autism' because this latter condition was known to be sometimes caused by earlier vaccines than those for Covid-19.  The former also include heavy-metals (and other junk) intended to stimulate an immune response.

 

Metals usually involved are aluminium and mercury (as thimerosal).  Although the latter is now said to have been withdrawn from children's vaccines, at least in some countries.

 

When suffering suspected heavy-metal poisoning in 2005, my doctor asked me if had been recently vaccinated.  [answer: "No.  Last time was for tetanus about 7 years ago."]

 

Unlike 'autism', long-Covid is thought to be caused by a persistence in the body of the spike-protein, which can come either from the virus or the vaccine.

[rattlesnake]

[richard_smith237]

29 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Nope.. because its untrue !

[rattlesnake]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Nope.. because its untrue !

 

Let's have a look at what the CDC says: 90 doses (of 17 different vaccines) in total for children. From birth to 6 months, I counted a minimum of 17 doses.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/imz-schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

[richard_smith237]

Just now, rattlesnake said:

Let's have a look at what the CDC says: 90 doses (of 17 different vaccines) in total for children. From birth to 6 months, I counted a minimum of 17 doses.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/imz-schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

 

That’s actually an excellent resource !!!.

 

However, I’ve had the same inoculations and vaccines my son has.

In fact, probably more - with boosters like tetanus and seasonal influenza jabs over the years.

 

The infographic you posted is nothing more than manipulative, clickbait rubbish - the kind of hollow fearmongering tailor-made for social media echo chambers. It isn’t informative. It isn’t balanced. It’s engineered to exploit the intellectually idle - those who panic first, think later, and ask no questions at all.

 

It’s not a public service; it’s digital hysteria masquerading as concern.

 

If people stopped reacting like trained lab rats every time someone drops an infographic with ominous colours and bold fonts, we might actually have a conversation rooted in fact - not fear.

 

 

 

 

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

That’s actually an excellent resource !!!.

 

However, I’ve had the same inoculations and vaccines my son has.

In fact, probably more - with boosters like tetanus and seasonal influenza jabs over the years.

 

The infographic you posted is nothing more than manipulative, clickbait rubbish - the kind of hollow fearmongering tailor-made for social media echo chambers. It isn’t informative. It isn’t balanced. It’s engineered to exploit the intellectually idle - those who panic first, think later, and ask no questions at all.

 

It’s not a public service; it’s digital hysteria masquerading as concern.

 

If people stopped reacting like trained lab rats every time someone drops an infographic with ominous colours and bold fonts, we might actually have a conversation rooted in fact - not fear.

 

 

 

 

Brilliant

[SpaceKadet]

I'm just mesmerized of how many genius medical professors and doctors we have among our members. Any wanna find the fix for cancer, and get a Nobel price for that?

[rattlesnake]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

That’s actually an excellent resource !!!.

 

However, I’ve had the same inoculations and vaccines my son has.

In fact, probably more - with boosters like tetanus and seasonal influenza jabs over the years.

 

The infographic you posted is nothing more than manipulative, clickbait rubbish - the kind of hollow fearmongering tailor-made for social media echo chambers. It isn’t informative. It isn’t balanced. It’s engineered to exploit the intellectually idle - those who panic first, think later, and ask no questions at all.

 

It’s not a public service; it’s digital hysteria masquerading as concern.

 

If people stopped reacting like trained lab rats every time someone drops an infographic with ominous colours and bold fonts, we might actually have a conversation rooted in fact - not fear.

 

 

 

 

 

But anyone with a modicum of honesty will acknowledge that the substance of the message conveyed in that meme – regardless of what one ultimately concludes – raises an issue worth debating, because it is grounded in reality.

 

And that is what memes are: a medium, or a tool, and as with all tools, what matters is who is wieding it and what the intent is.

 

(I'm in my mid-40s and off the top of my head, I must have had about 4-5 vaccines when I was a kid and probably 4-5 boosters a few years later, so that's approximately 8-10 doses.)

[rattlesnake]

1 minute ago, SpaceKadet said:

I'm just mesmerized of how many genius medical professors and doctors we have among our members. Any wanna find the fix for cancer, and get a Nobel price for that?

 

[SpaceKadet]

Reading all this <deleted> above, I'm just so happy NOT being and American. I would probably need to remove more that 50% of my neurons to qualify!!!

[rickudon]

Well, Trump's government is slashing healthcare research and expenditure. Will be interesting to see if Life expectancy in the USA starts going down in a couple of years.

[rattlesnake]

44 minutes ago, rickudon said:

Well, Trump's government is slashing healthcare research and expenditure. Will be interesting to see if Life expectancy in the USA starts going down in a couple of years.

 

It will be very interesting indeed… though I think ten years would be a more relevant time frame.

 

P.S. "Healthcare", not healthcare.

[still kicking]

On 4/16/2025 at 8:34 PM, atpeace said:

Another impolite copy and paste  of  articles  by you. Moderators why don't you stop this.  Just tell us your opinion and supply a link.  You can ruin a topic with endless copy and pasting that nobody reads.  

And why can anti-vaxers post freely without being penalised?

[spidermike007]

On 4/16/2025 at 5:14 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Another worthless, non-credible anti-vaxer post from the usual suspect.

 

CDC autism report disputes RFK Jr’s claims about why the condition is on the rise

April 16, 2025

...

"...the CDC’s experts dispute the idea that the condition is becoming more widespread, despite the rise in its data, instead attributing the uptick in cases to improved diagnostics.

 

The report’s authors say advances in screening and testing “have been apparent” since its last report was published and suggest that “differences in the prevalence of children identified with [autism spectrum disorder] across communities might be due to differences in availability of services for early detection and evaluation and diagnostic practices.”

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/cdc-autism-report-disputes-rfk-jr-s-claims-about-why-the-condition-is-on-the-rise/ar-AA1D1jQG

 

 

RFK Jr. kept asking to see the science that vaccines were safe. After he saw it, he dismissed it

January 31, 2025

 

The science on vaccines is clear to doctors and scientists — but not to Kennedy

Sen. Bill Cassidy, a Louisiana Republican and physician, said the science is clear that measles and other childhood vaccines are safe and not linked to autism. [emphasis added]  Kennedy said if shown the data he would recommend those vaccines and “not only will I do that but I will apologize for any statements that misled people otherwise.”

 

So Cassidy pulled out and read aloud definitive scientific conclusions that vaccines don’t cause autism. Kennedy rebuffed him, instead mentioning a recent paper that outside experts have called fundamentally flawed — and Cassidy agreed “has some issues” – in an attempt to counter decades of rigorous studies.

 

The senator told Kennedy his history of “undermining confidence in vaccines with unfounded or misleading arguments concerns me” – and risks casting “a shadow over President Trump’s legacy” if people die of vaccine-preventable diseases should he become health secretary."

 

https://apnews.com/article/rfk-jr-vaccine-trump-science-autism-9b99621b01f11b7f0bdc81e5a0b82d2b

 

 

Believing anything that RFK says is just being gullible and having wishful thinking, the man is a completely unhinged and a partially insane liability. 

[rattlesnake]

14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Believing anything that RFK says is just being gullible and having wishful thinking, the man is a completely unhinged and a partially insane liability. 

 

His opinions are shared – and his appointment to his current position is seen positively – by a lot of people. It's not a top-down thing where he says something and then people believe it. Many people have been saying the same things he says for a long time. This trend forms an integral part of today's society, whether you like it or not. Let's wait and see what comes out of it.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The fact that a senior Trump-appointed U.S. public health figure publicly spouts a lot of nonsense misinformation claims on various topics that have widely proven as false and/or misleading, and you and others here applaud it because it gives voice to your similar nonsense, disproven beliefs, says a lot about the sorry state of U.S. politics and public discourse these days.

 

I'd repost what all the various major medical groups have said about autism and vaccines (no connection between the two), but doing so would just be throwing pearls before the swine, figuratively speaking.

 

Some public health or medical/scientific topics are up for legitimate scientific debate, because the facts and evidence remain uncertain or unknown. But vaccines and autism is not one of those topics. The science is well-settled and established on the point. And those who fail to recognize that are just the blind leading the blind.

 

[rattlesnake]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

But vaccines and autism is not one of those topics. The science is well-settled and established on the point.

 

The fact that studies are underway de facto proves the opposite. Take a step back and consider the semantics at face value. Your opinion is secondary and, ultimately, irrelevant.

[Red Phoenix]

7 hours ago, still kicking said:

And why can anti-vaxers post freely without being penalised?

Because this is the Free-speech Off the Beaten Track sub-forum, you bigot.

[atpeace]

12 hours ago, still kicking said:

And why can anti-vaxers post freely without being penalised?

You think they should be penalised? I agree with much of what proponents of vaccines state on this forum.  I could never imagine reporting a post because I disagree with the opinion.  

 

My post was referring to the impolite habit of the poster I questioned.  For years he has copy and pasted endless articles one after another. It makes the threads almost impossible to navigate.  You scroll through his endless pasting of articles with a satisfaction of reaching the end only to have him post an even even longer pasting of articles or in most cases many articles in the next post.

 

He seems like an OK guy but he should stop this behavior.