Food for Thought > A Common Sense vaccine statement and a BS one...

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

People need hard evidence and want to protect their young.

Any evidence would be good to show that a vaccine does what the white-coats say it does.

I can't see any Fred mate. Cause there is not any.

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

The point is that injecting a substance with a needle by-passes your natural outer protective body-mechanisms.

 

And the injected substance de facto enters the bloodstream regardless, as we are made of blood. It just isn't injected directly into the bloodstream because, supposedly, doing so would increase its chances of being destroyed.

 

First up: unlike the layer of fat just under our skin, muscle has an excellent blood supply to help disperse the vaccine, says Joanna Groom, an immunology researcher at the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute.

 

[…]

 

A vaccine injected directly into the bloodstream, on the other hand, is vulnerable to destruction.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-01-08/covid-19-vaccine-injection-upper-arm-muscle-deltoid-immune/13031918

[Fat is a type of crazy]

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Any evidence would be good to show that a vaccine does what the white-coats say it does.

I can't see any Fred mate. Cause there is not any.

If only there had been diseases in the past and then a vaccine came and the disease diminished or disappeared. And there were no other major factors to account for such things. Lets say Polio or Measles or Flu or Hepatitis A and B or Rubella or Hib or Whooping Cough or Pneumococcal Disease or Rotavirus or Mumps or Chicken Pox or Diptheria. But there's not in your mind. Oh well. You are lucky you live in a world where you can have such thoughts without repercussions to your health thanks to the hard work and intelligence of those who came before. 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

And thats as much as I'll respond to your nonsense Stiddle - Getting dragged down to the level of someone who believes the world is flat and doesn't believe viruses even exist is just a little too much.

Very disingenuous Richard to say that. It is on the AN record, that I stated ,your persuasive arguments have returned me to 50/50. Or to put it another way I don't know.

 

But I do know about viruses. I've been writing, and lecturing about them, for 45 years. Although not too much since 2000.

 

There is no evidence that a pathogenic virus exists.

 

Where is there evidence to show that an illness can be caught, by a healthy person, from a sick one? My finding show the opposite.

 

What you are posting is Big Pharma, white-coat nonsense.

[Stiddle Mump]

7 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Lets say Polio or Measles or Flu or Hepatitis A and B or Rubella or Hib or Whooping Cough or Pneumococcal Disease or Rotavirus or Mumps or Chicken Pox or Diptheria.

None of these quoted, are caused by a virus Sir.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

None of these quoted, are caused by a virus Sir.

Apologies if you have said this before but is there a simple thing you can say like:

People got x sickness and it was widespread

Vaccine created

Straight after vaccine utilised disease x eradicated or diminished

But it's not vaccines that made it go away ...  it happened because ... 

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

People got x sickness and it was widespread

Vaccine created

Straight after vaccine utilised disease x eradicated or diminished

This is simply not true Sir. Just white-coat mythology.

[richard_smith237]

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Very disingenuous Richard to say that. It is on the AN record, that I stated ,your persuasive arguments have returned me to 50/50. Or to put it another way I don't know.

 

But I do know about viruses. I've been writing, and lecturing about them, for 45 years. Although not too much since 2000.

 

There is no evidence that a pathogenic virus exists.

 

Where is there evidence to show that an illness can be caught, by a healthy person, from a sick one? My finding show the opposite.

 

What you are posting is Big Pharma, white-coat nonsense.

 

Which is why I'm not interested in entering debate with you...

 

You refuse to accept viruses exist...   I won't debate with someone who thinks black is white or a circle doesn't exist - the exercise is futile...

 

You post total misinformation and argue and counter comment is 'Big Pharma, white-coat nonsense'... 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

But I do know about viruses. I've been writing, and lecturing about them, for 45 years. Although not too much since 2000.

 

You have stated numerous times that viruses don't exist - make your mind up !!!... 

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

This is simply not true Sir. Just white-coat mythology.

Surely you can't deny it has happened that way even if you think the link between vaccine and decrease in sickness is fortuitous and the reduction in illness due to other reasons. Or do you think it's all made up - the statistics and figures over so many decades. 

[Stiddle Mump]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Which is why I'm not interested in entering debate with you...

 

You refuse to accept viruses exist...   I won't debate with someone who thinks black is white or a circle doesn't exist - the exercise is futile...

 

You post total misinformation and argue and counter comment is 'Big Pharma, white-coat nonsense'... 

You have stated numerous times that viruses don't exist - make your mind up !!!... 

 

The viruses that the white-coats say exist, are indistinguishable from cell debris under an electron microscopy.

 

Pathogenic viruses do not exist. They have never been isolated and therefore cannot be shown to cause illness.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The viruses that the white-coats say exist, are indistinguishable from cell debris under an electron microscopy.

 

Pathogenic viruses do not exist. They have never been isolated and therefore cannot be shown to cause illness.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

If you say so.. I can't be bothered to argue with your repetitive misinformation. 

 

In other threads I've provided you with links to scientific journals and papers that show Pathogenic Viruses have not only been isolated, but photographed. 

 

You asked for such links, then completely ignored them - you have no argument against scientific fact.

 

 

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

17 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Surely you can't deny it has happened that way even if you think the link between vaccine and decrease in sickness is fortuitous and the reduction in illness due to other reasons. Or do you think it's all made up - the statistics and figures over so many decades. 

What are you on about Sir?

 

Have you ant idea what driver the vaccine programm? there is no evidence out there that shows:

 

++ A pathogenic virus exists.

++ An illness is transmissible (in the normal way).

++ Any vaccine is safe, effective and necessary.

[Stiddle Mump]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

In other threads I've provided you with links to scientific journals and papers that show Pathogenic Viruses have not only been isolated, but photographed. 

This is simply not true. The studies do not show any isolation what-so-ever. They use the same procedure that Dr Enders did in 1954.

[FlorC]

Let's make a clear distinction between vaccines and the mRNA shots.

[Will B Good]

53 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

None of these quoted, are caused by a virus Sir.

 

 

Polio – caused by the poliovirus

Measles – caused by the measles virus (a paramyxovirus)

Flu (Influenza) – caused by influenza viruses (A, B, C, D)

Hepatitis A – caused by the hepatitis A virus

Hepatitis B – caused by the hepatitis B virus

Rubella – caused by the rubella virus

Mumps – caused by the mumps virus

Rotavirus – caused by the rotavirus

Chickenpox – caused by the varicella-zoster virus

[Will B Good]

20 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What are you on about Sir?

 

Have you ant idea what driver the vaccine programm? there is no evidence out there that shows:

 

++ A pathogenic virus exists.

++ An illness is transmissible (in the normal way).

++ Any vaccine is safe, effective and necessary.

 

 

Just an artist impression I guess........

[Fat is a type of crazy]

15 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What are you on about Sir?

 

Have you ant idea what driver the vaccine programm? there is no evidence out there that shows:

 

++ A pathogenic virus exists.

++ An illness is transmissible (in the normal way).

++ Any vaccine is safe, effective and necessary.

I didn't say any of that. I have kept my personal opinions out of it.

I said lots of people got sick and a vaccine was released and then they weren't sick. I didn't say any of those 3 were necessary  - or that the vaccine made them better necessarily - I am looking for your explanation why many people got sick and then many people were no longer sick and in some cases have never got that type of sickness again.

It must be that either you don't believe lots of people got sick in the first place, or you don't believe they stopped being sick i.e. so there is a conspiracy to tamper with statistics throughout the world over many decades - or people did get sick and stop being sick and the reason is other than the vaccine. 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

We are giving you guys a chance to shine. To put it all out there. 

[richard_smith237]

38 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

42 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

In other threads I've provided you with links to scientific journals and papers that show Pathogenic Viruses have not only been isolated, but photographed. 

This is simply not true. The studies do not show any isolation what-so-ever. They use the same procedure that Dr Enders did in 1954.

 

The very same John Franklin Enders who earned a Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for his groundbreaking advancements in isolating and cultivating viruses, particularly poliovirus - which is what ???  - a Pathogenic Virus !!!  

 

And while Enders work was similar and laid the foundation for modern virology, today’s techniques allow for faster, more precise, and less resource-intensive virus isolation and analysis.

 

The differences: 

Cell Culture: While Enders used human and monkey cell cultures, today we have a wider variety of cell lines, some of which are engineered for better virus growth.

Virus Detection: Modern techniques rely on advanced molecular biology (e.g., PCR, sequencing), whereas Enders relied mainly on CPE and biological tests.

Genetic Analysis: In 1954, genetic sequencing didn’t exist, whereas today we can sequence entire viral genomes rapidly.

 

 

 

The following publications are examples of how modern techniques have been utilised to isolate pathogenic viruses.

 

Isolation of a Novel Coronavirus from a Man with Pneumonia in Saudi Arabia: This study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 2012, reports the isolation of a novel coronavirus (later known as MERS-CoV) from a patient with pneumonia.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa1211721?

 

A New Orthonairovirus Associated with Human Febrile Illness: Published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 2023, this paper describes the isolation and characterization of a new orthonairovirus linked to human febrile illness.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2313722?

 

A New Segmented Virus Associated with Human Febrile Illness in China: This 2018 study in The New England Journal of Medicine details the isolation of a novel segmented virus associated with human febrile illness in China.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa1805068?

 

Evidence for Camel-to-Human Transmission of MERS Coronavirus: Published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 2014, this paper provides evidence of MERS-CoV transmission from camels to humans, including virus isolation and genetic analysis.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa1401505?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

 

 

Every single thing you’ve written, Stiddle Mump, reads like the deranged scribblings of a crank who mistook their own ignorance for insight. It’s not just wrong — it’s pathetically wrong, like watching a child insist the moon is made of cheese.

 

The examples above make it abundantly clear: trying to reason with you is like playing chess with a pigeon -  you just knock over the pieces, poop on the board, and strut around like you’ve won.

 

I’ve already given your incoherent babble more attention than it ever deserved. Feeding your nonsense with oxygen is like fuelling a dumpster fire and pretending it's a revolution.

 

And if you’ve genuinely spent 45 years “lecturing” on virology while peddling the fantasy that viruses can’t be isolated and don’t exist, then I weep for every poor soul subjected to your pseudoscientific bedtime stories. You weren’t educating — you were hosting a live-action misinformation séance.

 

[richard_smith237]

56 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Let's make a clear distinction between vaccines and the mRNA shots.

 

The mRNA 'shots' are vaccines...

 

But..  do you wish to make a clear distinction between all Vaccines, including the Covid Vaccines and mRNA vaccines ?

 

Noting below the following Covid-19 vaccines and type:

 

Inactivated Virus Vaccines: Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV) / Sinovac (CoronaVac) / Covaxin (BBV152) 

 

Protein Subunit Vaccines: Novavax (Nuvaxovid/Covovax) / Zifivax (ZF2001) / Covovax

 

Viral Vector Vaccines: AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria/Covishield) / Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) / Sputnik V  /CanSino (Convidecia) 

 

mRNA Vaccines: Pfizer-BioNTech / Moderna (Spikevax/mRNA-1273) /CureVac (CVnCoV) 

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

17 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Polio – caused by the poliovirus

Measles – caused by the measles virus (a paramyxovirus)

Flu (Influenza) – caused by influenza viruses (A, B, C, D)

Hepatitis A – caused by the hepatitis A virus

Hepatitis B – caused by the hepatitis B virus

Rubella – caused by the rubella virus

Mumps – caused by the mumps virus

Rotavirus – caused by the rotavirus

Chickenpox – caused by the varicella-zoster virus

Wow! You certainly hit hard there Will. What causes illness is beyond the scope of this thread. Although some essays are free to read on TT.

 

I'll not go through the whole list, but if I may, take the first three.

 

++ You posted: Polio – caused by the poliovirus.

++ My take; polio is caused by chemical toxicity. When the widespread use of the chemical DDT stopped, the incidence of polio dropped dramatically. The jab came along and cases rose.

 

++ You posted: Measles – caused by the measles virus (a paramyxovirus).

++ My take; measles is one of a dozen, or so, similar sets of symptoms. Mostly driven, IMO, by poor diet. Too much sugar, too much food preservative, colouring etc. And also medical interventions. That is the measles jab, and other medications.

 

++ You posted:  flu – (Influenza) – caused by influenza viruses (A, B, C, D).

++ My take; influenza is a natural body function. IMO, triggered by a drop in moisture in the air. Although others say - Dr Daniel Roytas - it is a change in internal mucus membrane PH. There are others that point to a prolonged drop in temperature.

 

Nature has the answers we seek Will.

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

My 3 children are not vaccinated (not even for the mandatory ones).  They are now 3 very healthy adults, 34, 32 and 26 years of age. 

 

And that is the very inconvenient truth: unvaccinated people are in stellar health.

[Stiddle Mump]

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Cell Culture: While Enders used human and monkey cell cultures, today we have a wider variety of cell lines, some of which are engineered for better virus growth.

Virus Detection: Modern techniques rely on advanced molecular biology (e.g., PCR, sequencing), whereas Enders relied mainly on CPE and biological tests.

Genetic Analysis: In 1954, genetic sequencing didn’t exist, whereas today we can sequence entire viral genomes rapidly.

Cell Culture: Enders never isolated any virus. He did a control, and got the same result. (Read the paper Richard).

 

Virus Detection: A virus cannot be detected in a computer or by a PCR test.

 

Genetic Analysis: It is the same challenge now, as it was back in 1950s. Can't find the elusive, pathogenic virus. No evidence of a virus. No virus = no need for vaccines.

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Cell Culture: Enders never isolated any virus. He did a control, and got the same result. (Read the paper Richard).

 

You mean this paper titled: "Cultivation of the Lansing Strain of Poliomyelitis Virus in Cultures of Various Human Embryonic Tissues" published in 1949 in the journal Science ??

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.118.3056.107

 

Quote: "The poliomyelitis virus (Lansing strain) has been propagated in cultures of human embryonic tissues (skin, muscle, and intestine) and of rhesus monkey kidney tissue. The highest yields of virus were obtained from cultures of human embryonic tissues. The virus was detectable after 2-3 days of inoculation and was demonstrated in the cultures by its ability to cause cytopathogenic effects..."

 

 

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Virus Detection: A virus cannot be detected in a computer or by a PCR test.

 

Except for the tiny detail that PCR tests are literally the gold standard in virus detection.

 

PCR specialises in detecting viral genetic material, amplifying small amounts of viral RNA or DNA until they’re detectable, even if there’s just a minuscule amount in a sample.

 

So, while you might say, “A virus can’t be detected by PCR,” what you’re overlooking is that PCR tests are designed to identify viruses.

 

Over the years, PCR has revolutionised virology and diagnostics. From SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) to HIV, PCR tests have been the primary method used in detecting these viruses, helping save lives and control outbreaks. It’s actually the best tool for the job, with accuracy that other methods can’t match. So, claiming that a PCR test can't detect a virus is like saying a thermometer can’t measure temperature - it’s exactly what it’s made to do.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Genetic Analysis: It is the same challenge now, as it was back in 1950s. Can't find the elusive, pathogenic virus. No evidence of a virus. No virus = no need for vaccines.

 

Total tosh..  Thanks to advances in technology, like next-generation sequencing and PCR, we can pinpoint viral genomes faster than ever. We don’t just guess anymore—we know what a virus looks like on the genetic level.

 

Genomes of viruses have been sequenced for decades, from HIV to SARS-CoV-2, providing crystal-clear evidence of their existence and how they function. The idea that a pathogenic virus doesn’t exist just because it’s “elusive” doesn’t hold water in the face of modern science.

 

 

I've given you way too much oxygen... (please don't tell my oxygen doesn't exist either !!!)..

 

[richard_smith237]

22 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

My 3 children are not vaccinated (not even for the mandatory ones).  They are now 3 very healthy adults, 34, 32 and 26 years of age. 

 

And that is the very inconvenient truth: unvaccinated people are in stellar health.

 

Those who didn't die in childhood already...   

 

Lucky for them, everyone around them has likely been vaccinated and herd immunity has protected them.

 

[Stiddle Mump]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You mean this paper titled: "Cultivation of the Lansing Strain of Poliomyelitis Virus in Cultures of Various Human Embryonic Tissues" published in 1949 in the journal Science ??

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.118.3056.107

 

Quote: "The poliomyelitis virus (Lansing strain) has been propagated in cultures of human embryonic tissues (skin, muscle, and intestine) and of rhesus monkey kidney tissue. The highest yields of virus were obtained from cultures of human embryonic tissues. The virus was detectable after 2-3 days of inoculation and was demonstrated in the cultures by its ability to cause cytopathogenic effects..."

 

 

 

Except for the tiny detail that PCR tests are literally the gold standard in virus detection.

 

PCR specialises in detecting viral genetic material, amplifying small amounts of viral RNA or DNA until they’re detectable, even if there’s just a minuscule amount in a sample.

 

So, while you might say, “A virus can’t be detected by PCR,” what you’re overlooking is that PCR tests are designed to identify viruses.

 

Over the years, PCR has revolutionised virology and diagnostics. From SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) to HIV, PCR tests have been the primary method used in detecting these viruses, helping save lives and control outbreaks. It’s actually the best tool for the job, with accuracy that other methods can’t match. So, claiming that a PCR test can't detect a virus is like saying a thermometer can’t measure temperature - it’s exactly what it’s made to do.

 

 

 

Total tosh..  Thanks to advances in technology, like next-generation sequencing and PCR, we can pinpoint viral genomes faster than ever. We don’t just guess anymore—we know what a virus looks like on the genetic level.

 

Genomes of viruses have been sequenced for decades, from HIV to SARS-CoV-2, providing crystal-clear evidence of their existence and how they function. The idea that a pathogenic virus doesn’t exist just because it’s “elusive” doesn’t hold water in the face of modern science.

 

 

I've given you way too much oxygen... (please don't tell my oxygen doesn't exist either !!!)..

 

Most of your post is unscientific nonsense.

 

The PCR is a magnification tool. For it to detect a virus sequence; first catch your virus. Not yet been done Richard bud.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Pathogenic viruses do not exist. They have never been isolated and therefore cannot be shown to cause illness.

 

OK - so HIV, HPV, HSV, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C, HTLV, and Molluscum Contagiosum viruses don't exist... 

... because you claim Pathogenic Viruses do not exist.

 

Would you go to Eswatini and without protection (condom) sleep with a load of sex workers then.... ??  

 

In Eswatini the HIV infection estimated amongst sex workers between 50% to 70%.

The rate within the general population is approximately 27.5% of adults aged 15–49.

 

 

Of course, its a silly proposition - however, run with it - would you be wholly confident in your belief that these viruses don't exist and you couldn't catch them ???

 

Or, as I suspect you will answer: These are not viruses, they are 'other illnesses' not caused by a virus, but by something else...    Is that something else still transmitted ?  what is it then ?

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The recent spike in measles cases in the U.S. is a direct result of declining vaccination rates - driven by misinformation, mistrust, and social media-fuelled ignorance. COVID-19 didn’t help either; it disrupted routine immunisation schedules, widening the cracks in our collective defences.

 

There is no spike in measles, though there have always been sporadic outbreaks. There was one measles death between 2006 and 2015, and two between 2016 and 2025. This is a very weak case to make from a pro-vax viewpoint.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Most of your post is unscientific nonsense.

 

The PCR is a magnification tool. For it to detect a virus sequence; first catch your virus. Not yet been done Richard bud.

 

And there is your argument  'a circle does not exist'...   

 

You've said before viruses do not exist...

You've said before viruses cannot be isolated (they do exist then ?)

In this thread you've evolved that comment to Pathogenic Viruses do not exist... 

 

So non-Pathogenic viruses do exist ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[worgeordie]

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Where is there evidence to show that an illness can be caught, by a healthy person, from a sick one? My finding show the opposit

Spanish flu , Black death ,Leprosy, there's 3 diseases that were spread

person to person ,  although you will differ ! 

 

regards Worgeordie