Increases in vaccine-preventable disease outbreaks threaten years of progress

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1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

about your conspiracy theory partisan mindset

Again ...... Kettle & Black.

 

That is all. 🙂

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

36 minutes ago, connda said:

So please, please, please - get your mRNA Covid vaccinations regularly, every 6 months for sure. 
Safe and Effective! 

 

Will be getting the current version in the coming months.

 

It's been a year since my last COVID vax, so I'm overdue... as someone at greater risk of bad COVID outcomes because I'm now age 65+.

 

The latest CDC data says the current COVID shot reduces the risk of COVID hospitalization in people age 65+ by about FORTY FIVE percent, compared to people who have not received the latest version.

 

Interim Estimates of 2024–2025 COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Among Adults Aged ≥18 Years — VISION and IVY Networks, September 2024–January 2025

Weekly / February 27, 2025

 

"Vaccine effectiveness (VE) of 2024–2025 COVID-19 vaccine was 33% against COVID-19–associated emergency department (ED) or urgent care (UC) visits among adults aged ≥18 years and 45%–46% against hospitalizations among immunocompetent adults aged ≥65 years, compared with not receiving a 2024–2025 vaccine dose." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7406a1.htm

 

 

 

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 Re the Texas outbreak, the CDC has recently reported that almost all of the cases there are from native residents, and only a small portion for international imports.

 

Also, as has been reported, much of the Texas outbreak originated among unvaccinated Mennonite community members, and they're homegrown, not crossing the border from Mexico...

 

But nice try at unsubstantiated deflection on your part, anyways.... 

 

So you don't figure that the outbreak in the Mennonite community may be from close contact to the 3rd world newcomers with unknown vaccination status?  Perhaps they were asymptomatic carriers.

 

What about the outbreaks in Florida and in Illinois that started in newcomer shelters?

 

BTW, 800 cases and 3 deaths listed in 2025 so far.  And 285 cases in 2024, with no deaths listed.  (CDC Data)   3 deaths in 2 years.  The sky isn't falling. 

 

 

[rattlesnake]

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

BTW, 800 cases and 3 deaths listed in 2025 so far.  And 285 cases in 2024, with no deaths listed.  (CDC Data)   The sky isn't falling. 

 

It's starting and early days yet, with a virus that is among the most highly infectious out there -- basically if an unvaccinated person comes into contact with someone with measles, they're highly likely to be infected.

 

The case numbers, hospitalizations and deaths are going to continue growing as long as there's a sufficient pool of unvaccinated folks out there waiting to be fodder.

 

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It's starting and early days yet, with a virus that is among the most highly infectious out there -- basically if an unvaccinated person comes into contact with someone with measles, they're highly likely to be infected.

 

The case numbers, hospitalizations and deaths are going to continue growing as long as there's a sufficient pool of unvaccinated folks out there waiting to be fodder.

 

The number of unvaccinated natives hasn't really changed that much.  Neither has the number of vaccinated Mennonites.  The variable here is the number of unvetted 3rd world newcomers.

 

[connda]

47 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I was born in the 1950s and I've never seen anyone wearing leg braces outside of television and movies. Not one ever, and I was in a big school.

I saw one in Elementary school in the early 1960s with a leg brace.  But that was it.  One person supposedly from polio.
I had all of the childhood diseases.  I remember being sick with a fever and uncomfortable during most of those episodes, but it wasn't the end of the world.  None of my friends or classmates died of childhood diseases - none.  The only person I remember dying while I was in school was JFK from a shot to the head.
So this canard about children dying left and right from childhood diseases is more fear mongering.

Anyway - if vaccines for childhood diseases are so safe, then I'd personally like to see the indemnity laws be abolished.  They are perfectly safe right, so no liability protection is needed.  Right?
Kids don't need to be made into human pin cushions for the profits of Big Pharma.  A very limited number of vaccines imho are warranted, but the schedule of shots for your typical kid nowadays in the West is simple overkill and I have no doubt they do more harm than good.  Wanna argue that point?  Then abolish the vaccine liability screens and let the chips fall where they may.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

The number of unvaccinated people hasn't really changed that much.  Neither has the number of vaccinated Mennonites.  The variable here is the number of unvetted 3rd world newcomers.

 

 

The MMR vax rates have changed, and have been declining, including in the U.S. at large and in Texas. See below...

 

Measles Cases Are Surging—These 6 Charts Reveal Why

Measles continues to spread in Texas and other states and has caused the first reported U.S. death from the virus in a decade. Vaccination data over time reveal vulnerabilities in protection

 

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/see-how-measles-outbreaks-flourish-where-vaccination-rates-fall/

 

"because the disease is highly contagious, 95 percent of a population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity—protection that stops disease spread. The state of Texas has an MMR vaccination rate among kindergartners that is slightly below that threshold, at 94.3 percent, and measles has spread rampantly."

 

And the areas at the heart of the Texas outbreak have even lower vax rates in the low 80%s, which significantly elevates the risks there:

 

 

[Will B Good]

20 hours ago, atpeace said:

 I thought they were proponents of the herd immunity strategy that  didn't work IMO.  The post you replied to was stated that we should have focussed at those at risk and not locked down th young or healthy.  Far from the same strategy the Jonson and Hancock did.  Yes?

 

They flip-flopped like a Thai politician.

[Lacessit]

22 hours ago, BLMFem said:

I have a dream. In it all the anti-vaxxer, anti-science morons all live together in one area where they live their short lives happily dodging an invention (vaccines)  that is hailed as one of the greatest scientific achievements in human history.

It would be splendid to see Darwin's principles in action drastically strengthening our gene pool.

IMO we really need a virus with a death rate > 90%, to effectively clean out the ratbags.

[rattlesnake]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO we really need a virus with a death rate > 90%, to effectively clean out the ratbags.

 

A mass-scale solution to finally get rid of “parasitic vermin” worthy only of eradication. I'm sure I've read this somewhere before…

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

A mass-scale solution to finally get rid of “parasitic vermin” worthy only of eradication. I'm sure I've read this somewhere before…

I would regard it as improving the intelligence of the gene pool.

 

Holocaust victims did not get a choice. Anti-vaxxers would. False equivalence.

[johng]

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO we really need a virus with a death rate > 90%, to effectively clean out the ratbags.

Be careful what you wish for

no vaccine is 100% effective

and there will most likely be some naturally immune survivors looking for revenge on whoever thought up such an idiotic idea in the first place.

[BLMFem]

26 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO we really need a virus with a death rate > 90%, to effectively clean out the ratbags.

It's coming - only a matter of time.

[rattlesnake]

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I would regard it as improving the intelligence of the gene pool.

 

Of course, eugenics is always at the root of these endeavours in the name of a proclaimed superiority.

 

20 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Holocaust victims did not get a choice. Anti-vaxxers would. False equivalence.

 

They had the choice (and were encouraged) to leave Germany (lots did).

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I was born in the 1950s and I've never seen anyone wearing leg braces outside of television and movies. Not one ever, and I was in a big school.

Travelled all over Britain, Spain, France in the 1960s, still didn't see any.

 

How is my world so different to your world?

Because you seem think this did not occur. I’m a lot younger than you & I’m aware of the fear that polio & measles brought to families…. 
 

You can see the photos & risk stats any time you choose..
 

You’ve over glossed over those worries. 

The “didn’t happen to me so didn’t happen” mentality is not exactly an intelligent approach to such discussions. 

 

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I was born in the 1950s and I've never seen anyone wearing leg braces outside of television and movies. Not one ever, and I was in a big school.

Travelled all over Britain, Spain, France in the 1960s, still didn't see any.

 

How is my world so different to your world?

 

Three just in my primary school.....North Yorkshire.......early 60's

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Three just in my primary school.....North Yorkshire.......early 60's

I never saw any… in school or on TV news reports etc - does that mean it didn’t happen ???

 

Of course, I’m too young & never grew up under such concerns - but to ignore the past & suggest it didn’t happen because I didn’t see ‘it’ is ignorant. 

 

 

[rattlesnake]

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Because you seem think this did not occur. I’m a lot younger than you & I’m aware of the fear that polio & measles brought to families…. 
 

You can see the photos & risk stats any time you choose..
 

You’ve over glossed over those worries. 

The “didn’t happen to me so didn’t happen” mentality is not exactly an intelligent approach to such discussions. 

 

 

And yet these threads are rife with them ("I had three Covid jabs and feel fine"…).

[rattlesnake]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I never saw any… in school or on TV news reports etc - does that mean it didn’t happen ???

 

Of course, I’m too young & never grew up under such concerns - but to ignore the past & suggest it didn’t happen because I didn’t see ‘it’ is ignorant. 

 

 

 

A 70 year-old saying he never saw it is notable and brings nuance. I'll ask my dad (72) about it when I have a chance.

[Lacessit]

19 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

A 70 year-old saying he never saw it is notable and brings nuance. I'll ask my dad (72) about it when I have a chance.

Fear of polio was a very real concern in my generation, there were plenty of photos of people condemned to spend the rest of their lives in an iron lung.

 

I got both the Salk and Sabin versions of the polio vaccines.

 

Polio is still endemic in Pakistan and Afghanistan, mainly due to mullahs who set themselves firmly against Western medicine.

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, johng said:

Be careful what you wish for

no vaccine is 100% effective

and there will most likely be some naturally immune survivors looking for revenge on whoever thought up such an idiotic idea in the first place.

It depends on what you mean by effective. Many do not prevent infection; however, they do significantly reduce the risk of serious debilitation or death.

 

I don't need to wish for anything. Mother Nature does her thing.

 

In the event of a virus with a 90% death rate, vaccinated people will significantly outnumber the naturally immune.

[rattlesnake]

27 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Fear of polio was a very real concern in my generation, there were plenty of photos of people condemned to spend the rest of their lives in an iron lung.

 

I got both the Salk and Sabin versions of the polio vaccines.

 

Polio is still endemic in Pakistan and Afghanistan, mainly due to mullahs who set themselves firmly against Western medicine.

 

 

 

I am fully aware of the photos and accepted narrative. What I am now interested in is how many people of that generation actually saw/knew of such cases (not that I deny the reality of these ailments, I just question how prevalent they were).

 

According to Dr. Suzanne Humphries, a large part of what is called "polio" is actually caused by poisoning from neurotoxic pesticides such as DDT, as the outbreaks always match(ed) the areas where they were/are used, including nowadays. This is documented with sources, so regardless of what one concludes, she can't conveniently be pushed into the "whackjob on social media" square (not by anyone rational and honest, that is).

[atpeace]

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

They flip-flopped like a Thai politician.

 

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

They flip-flopped like a Thai politician.

I get that but you didn't answer my question.  You stated they focused on the high risk groups but I don't think that happened at all.  They thought herd immunity was the best alternative.  Also curious, would you have prefered they didn't flip flop?  

[Will B Good]

13 minutes ago, atpeace said:

 

I get that but you didn't answer my question.  You stated they focused on the high risk groups but I don't think that happened at all.  They thought herd immunity was the best alternative.  Also curious, would you have prefered they didn't flip flop?  

 

The herd immunity was no more than mooted and quickly scotched......they then moved to pretend to protect the elderly, but just chucked them out of their hospital beds back into care homes, where the virus wreaked havoc

[atpeace]

10 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

The herd immunity was no more than mooted and quickly scotched......they then moved to pretend to protect the elderly, but just chucked them out of their hospital beds back into care homes, where the virus wreaked havoc

Thanks and I forgot about the old people homes and all the deaths.  I seriously doubt the intent was to pretend  and then send them to their deaths.  In hindsight a bad decision.

[Will B Good]

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3011391/leishmaniasis-deaths-prompt-alert-in-thailand

 

Another bogus pathogen....big pharma at it again.