Why Zelensky Won’t Bargain Away Crimea — No Matter the Pressure

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, rabang said:

I have to say Russia has played the information war very well as we can see from the many Western useful idiots and neutral observers palying into Putin's hand here as well.

 

Spot on and well said.....they swallow the kremlin's poison faster than a soi 4 hooker could.

[gargamon]

Trump needs to get the F out of this negotiation. All he's doing is trying to make Ukraine surrender. He's got no skin in the game. The US is no longer, I believe, providing armaments to Ukraine, abd if they are, it won't be for long.

 

Ukraine, the EU, and the former USSR members need to unite to negotiate the peace terms. Screw the US and Trump.

[Cryingdick]

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Spot on and well said.....they swallow the kremlin's poison faster than a soi 4 hooker could.

Listen to yourself. Is this what passes as intelligent commentary these days? I am not questioning your experience with soi 4 hookers.

[sharot724]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Listen to yourself. Is this what passes as intelligent commentary these days? I am not questioning your experience with soi 4 hookers.

Hit your spot just so...

[JensenZ]

7 hours ago, rabang said:

If they do that Russian appetite will only grow.

Ukraine has already lost and is only holding on by a thread due to waning foreign support. Should they give up now, or wait until 100s of thousands more are slaughtered on the battlefield with the possibility of nukes being deployed? Ukraine cannot win this war even with foreign support. They should take the best deal possible and save lives. Every battle has losers - they lost.

 

 

 

 

[Harrisfan]

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It appears you don't know the actual meaning of fascist. Fairly sure Putin isn't on the far right of political ideology.

Musolini invented it. He was a socialist.

[sharot724]

9 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Ukraine has already lost and is only holding on by a thread due to waning foreign support. Should they give up now, or wait until 100s of thousands more are slaughtered on the battlefield with the possibility of nukes being deployed? Ukraine cannot win this war even with foreign support. They should take the best deal possible and save lives. Every battle has losers - they lost.

 

 

 

 

I think your wrong that Ukraine will not prevail. Russian front uses mules to transport. The weapons they have are the  most leathal.

Vlad is broke with the price of a barrell. UK EU will get themselves involved TY Taurus

[frank83628]

13 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

What Did Nuland Actually Say?

 

In 2013, Victoria Nuland gave a talk at the National Press Club in Washington where she mentioned:

 

“Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions. We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals.”

The leaked phone call is more damning, where she is directly  saying who they will install as president after their coup outsed the pro Russian leader. She also says 'fukc the Eu'

 

[frank83628]

11 hours ago, rough diamond said:

You know this by having discussions with them do you?

Please give examples!

It was quite well reported in the msm, as were Azov,  back when Ukraine was 'corrupt'

As soon as Putin took action to combat ethnic Russians being killed by these neo Nazi in 22, talk of Azov fell ceased and mow its denied

You can't find MSM articles from 2018 about it

[frank83628]

30 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

I think your wrong that Ukraine will not prevail. Russian front uses mules to transport. The weapons they have are the  most leathal.

Vlad is broke with the price of a barrell. UK EU will get themselves involved TY Taurus

Haha, there you go again, regurgitating the MSM propaganda...will you ever learn

[impulse]

22 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

13 hours ago, Will B Good said:

What Did Nuland Actually Say?

 

In 2013, Victoria Nuland gave a talk at the National Press Club in Washington where she mentioned:

 

“Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions. We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals.”

The leaked phone call is more damning, where she is directly  saying who they will install as president after their coup outsed the pro Russian leader. She also says 'fukc the Eu'

 

And what's really going to frost the pumpkin is when we find out that $1 billion of that was funneled back through ActBlue.

 

[rabang]

9 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Spot on and well said.....they swallow the kremlin's poison faster than a soi 4 hooker could.

Yes, parroting Kremlin's narrative.

[billd766]

14 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Internationally accepted concepts are irrelevant unless there is someone to police them. There is not. China gave the International Court of Justice the middle finger and continues to build islands and military bases in the South China Sea.

 

Your fake nausea and disgust are pathetic. You don't live in the real world. There is no other solution to stop the bloodshed. Ukraine must give up on Crimea and other lost territories.

Why must the Ukraine give up on the territories annexed by Russia?

 

Because YOU say so. It is NOT your land, territory or people. 

 

Because Trump says so? It is NOT his land, territory or people either?

 

Nor does it belong to Russia either.

 

It belongs to the Ukraine.

 

Perhaps the USA should give ALL its territory back to the native Americans and the Mexicans that they stole it from?

 

That would be equally fair though I doubt that you would agree with that.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Why must the Ukraine give up on the territories annexed by Russia?

 

 

   Because that's the only wat to achieve peace 

[sharot724]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Because that's the only wat to achieve peace 

Explain to all why giving in the Vlad's Land grab, as the only path to peace. 

[Harrisfan]

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

belongs to the Ukraine.

Belongs to whoever has the biggest guns

[BLMFem]

Who knew there were so many useful idiots (and some paid ones?) around this forum. Putin must be very pleased.

[Harrisfan]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Perhaps the USA should give ALL its territory back to the native Americans and the Mexicans that they stole it from?

They have current control like Russia does. Z is an idiot if he thinks they can get the 20% back.

[sharot724]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-offers-us-its-terms-of-peace-telegraph-reveals-contents-of-document/ar-AA1DBTiC?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=a17645b406f24c5d8d2044c821d46396&ei=12

 

This is what all will agree too. 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Explain to all why giving in the Vlad's Land grab, as the only path to peace. 

 

  Can you offer any other solution to end the war ?

[sharot724]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Can you offer any other solution to end the war ?

Yes I can Continue until Vlad is buried

[sharot724]

Trump or the US was never going to resolve this. UK & EU must feel the War 

That sort of bravery is needed and not US or Trump 

[safarimike11]

14 hours ago, safarimike11 said:

The Falkland Islands have never belonged to Argentina.

Just as the Chagos Islands have never belonged to Mauritius.

[jas007]

I'm sure many Ukrainians think they're in a fight for their "motherland."  Hence the problem.  

 

However, starting WWIII over Crimea is beyond silly.  Like it or not, Crimea and much of there Donbas have now been annexed by Russia.  That's the reality.  Returning it to Ukraine isn't going to happen.  

 

As for Zelenskyy? The moment the war ends, he's no longer a dictator.  Elections must be held and he'll be out.  Anyone looking for Zelenskyy's motivation should consider that simple fact.  

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Who knew there were so many useful idiots (and some paid ones?) around this forum. Putin must be very pleased.

 

   Lefties being abusive instead of discussing the situation .

Will you start breaking things next and smashing things up ?

[Dan O]

On 4/25/2025 at 10:09 AM, Yagoda said:

The Crimea was never "Ukrainian", except as an administrative Soviet thing.

 

Very little of the "Ukraine" is "Ukrainian"

care to explain how "very  little of Ukraine" is Ukrainian?

[Harrisfan]

20 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Who knew there were so many useful idiots (and some paid ones?) around this forum. Putin must be very pleased.

Says a BLM troll

[sharot724]

Only Russia withdrawing completely will peace come about.

 

[Harrisfan]

11 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Only Russia withdrawing completely will peace come about.

 

Fantasy land

[sharot724]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/recognizing-crimea-as-russian-would-be-a-time-bomb-lithuanian-president/ar-AA1DDqOs?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=62fd3e278dde4acca4e25184644b7028&ei=5

 

Do you feel like Vlad will bomb the poo out of ya all in EU?

I bet he goes after them that fold.

WWlll call Vlad's bluff as he dies with Russia