Anti-vaxers relying on discredited doctor's claims about COVID vaccines... again!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Prominent anti-vaxer and COVID misinformation spreader Dr. Peter McCullough -- who hawks unproven treatments and recently was stripped of his U.S. medical board certifications -- along with various of his anti-vax cohorts are behind a new preprint study that makes discredited claims that COVID vaccines supposedly cause various psychiatric conditions. Experts say the study's claims are based on unverified data and there's no credible evidence to support what McCullough and cohorts are saying.  But hey, that's what McCullough does:

 

Anti-Vaxxers Cite Unverified Study to Claim COVID-19 Vaccines Cause Psychiatric Conditions, Including Homicidal Ideation

"What happened: Prominent anti-vaxxers are citing an April 2025 study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, to claim that COVID-19 vaccines cause 86 neuropsychiatric side effects, including dementia, schizophrenia, depression, and suicidal and homicidal ideation.

 

A closer look: The study was co-authored by Dr. Peter McCullough, a Texas-based cardiologist who has repeatedly advanced false or egregiously misleading claims about COVID vaccines. [emphasis added]

...

Actually: Reports submitted to VAERS [the federal data source for McCullough's claims] are unverified and can be submitted by anyone, including anti-vaccine activists, making it an unreliable source for drawing conclusions about the safety or side effects of any vaccine or medicine. ... There is no credible evidence that COVID vaccines cause neuropsychiatric conditions, according to experts. [emphasis added]

 

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https://www.newsguardrealitycheck.com/p/canadian-election-false-claims-spread?open=false#§anti-vaxxers-cite-unverified-study-to-claim-covid-vaccines-cause-psychiatric-conditions-including-homicidal-ideation

 

 

ABIM Revokes Certification of Another Doctor Who Made Controversial COVID Claims

— It's not clear exactly when credentials for Peter McCullough, MD, MPH, were revoked

 January 2, 2025

"The American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM) revoked the board certification of Peter McCullough, MD, MPH, a cardiologist who promoted controversial views about COVID-19.

...

Early in the pandemic, McCullough supported the use of hydroxychloroquin in patients with mild disease even when mainstream medicine was recommending against it.

 

But he became more known for being outspoken against the COVID vaccines. He had claimed that there is no scientific reason for healthy people under 50 and those who have recovered from COVID to get the vaccine, and has asserted that tens of thousands of Americans have died from the shots."

 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/113624

 

 

[rattlesnake]

On 4/25/2025 at 6:02 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

He had claimed that there is no scientific reason for healthy people under 50 and those who have recovered from COVID to get the vaccine

 

Who could possibly deny this today?

[Red Phoenix]

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

On 4/25/2025 at 11:02 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

He had claimed that there is no scientific reason for healthy people under 50 and those who have recovered from COVID to get the vaccine

Who could possibly deny this today?

 

Thanks for exposing the Masked Bulldog for the Big Pharma shill that he is. 

[Red Phoenix]

Five recent papers show vaccine COVID vaccine harms outweigh any benefits

Don't worry. The FDA, CDC, and Congress are never going to apologize for their mistake. One of these papers has already been rejected by 6 journals without even reading the paper!

All show vaccine harms outweigh benefits.

Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/five-recent-papers-show-vaccine-covid

[farang51]

16 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Don't worry. The FDA, CDC, and Congress are never going to apologize for their mistake.

I am so happy that in these times with wars and hostilities among countries, not to mention trade wars and very different political views, that big pharma can get every country in the world to band together and mislead their citizens about the effect of vaccines.
 
Maybe we should let big pharma handle more than medicines so that we would get everlasting peace and peace and tranquility in every part of the world.

[rattlesnake]

33 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Five recent papers show vaccine COVID vaccine harms outweigh any benefits

Don't worry. The FDA, CDC, and Congress are never going to apologize for their mistake. One of these papers has already been rejected by 6 journals without even reading the paper!

All show vaccine harms outweigh benefits.

Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/five-recent-papers-show-vaccine-covid

 

"Not peer-revieeeeewed!!!", bleat the sheep.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Five recent papers show vaccine COVID vaccine harms outweigh any benefits

Don't worry. The FDA, CDC, and Congress are never going to apologize for their mistake. One of these papers has already been rejected by 6 journals without even reading the paper!

All show vaccine harms outweigh benefits.

Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/five-recent-papers-show-vaccine-covid

 

Steve Kirsch is another in your long roster of nutjob anti-vaxer sources with nearly as many fact-check repudiations of his nonsense claims as you have anti-vax posts here!!!

 

"Steven Todd Kirsch (born 1956 in Los Angeles^[1]) is an American entrepreneur. ... Kirsch has been both a philanthropic supporter of medical research, and a promoter of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines. [emphasis added]

 

Vaccine misinformation

In May 2021, Kirsch posted an article online claiming that COVID-19 vaccines affect fertility, while also underplaying the vaccines' ability to prevent illness and death, both statements criticized by fact checkers as being inaccurate and misleading.^[16] In September 2021, speaking at an FDA meeting and identifying himself as CETF's executive director, Kirsch claimed that the vaccines "kill twice as many as they save"; the FDA responded that Kirsch had misinterpreted data and that there was no evidence his statement was true.^[12][17] Reuters assessed the claim as false.^[17] In March 2023 Kirsch reported that he'd offered a woman sitting next to him on a first class Delta flight $100,000 to remove her mask for the entire flight. She refused.^[18] [emphasis added]

 

In October 2021, Kirsch founded the anti-vaccine group Vaccine Safety Research Foundation (VSRF),^[19] which created ads depicting deaths the group attributed to vaccines.^[20][21] Foundation advisors include Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, and Stephanie Seneff. Before this, in June 2021, Kirsch had appeared with Malone on the Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying podcast, which according to MIT Technical Review "introduced Kirsch to followers of the 'intellectual dark web'" and allowed him to access a "large and receptive audience to his claims about a fluvoxamine conspiracy".^[12][15]"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kirsch

 

 

 

[johng]

I'll take Steve Kirsch and  Dr. Peter McCullough over 

Anthony (gain of function and beagle torturer ) Fauci thanks very much.

Wikipedia and Google totally not credible sources on many subjects

lookup the "trusted news initiative"    pushing  "accepted narratives" to the top of results is not ok.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Kirsch is simply a well-documented and serial (chronic) vaccine misinformer, period.

 

Wikipedia was just the quickest and easiest reference to document Kirsch's patent nonsense.

 

But for anyone who doesn't like or trust Wikipedia, there are plenty of other sources documenting Kirsch's patent anti-vax nonsense.

 

Among them:

 

https://science.feedback.org/?s=Steve+Kirsch

 

 

https://www.factcheck.org/person/steve-kirsch/

 

 

https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/tag/Steve-Kirsch/

 

 

 

 

[johng]

Unlike some  I have actually listened to what Steve Kirsch has to say  from his own mouth and not what "legacy media" , Wikipedia or "fact checkers" says he said but his own actual words and I'll make up my own mind thanks.

[HighPriority]

It’s amazing how science deniers find themselves someone who is remotely medically qualified but with opposing views to their peers and then decide that their nutjob is the oracle and everyone else is part of some big conspiracy or just incompetent 🤣

Theres a lot to be said for YouTube science degrees… 🙄

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

In scientific and medical/public health fields, it's relatively easy for total misinformation peddling nutjobs like RFK Jr., Peter McCullough and Steve Kirsch, among others, to SOUND at first blush like they're making persuasive, cogent arguments -- at least to the typical lay audience.

 

That's why it's important to have their key claims vetted by various credible, expert sources -- non-partisan fact checkers, major mainstream media outlets, public health/medical experts on topics like COVID and vaccines... And then see how those sources -- who know the detailed ins and outs of these kinds of topic -- to judge the key claims being made by the nutjobers and explain how they've misrepresented data or used data that isn't credible in the first place....  And then see what to make of the nutjobers' claims.

 

I don't rely on any single source for assessing the veracity (or non-veracity) of their claims... But fortunately in the case of people like RFK Jr., Peter McCullough and Steve Kirsch et. al. on vaccine issues, pretty much, you're not going to find ANY credible source / institution that has supported their anti-vax nonsense or has found them credible...  They're truly in an anti-vax nutjob world of their own.

 

[farang51]

1 hour ago, HighPriority said:

It’s amazing how science deniers find themselves someone who is remotely medically qualified but with opposing views to their peers and then decide that their nutjob is the oracle and everyone else is part of some big conspiracy or just incompetent 🤣

I wish the science deniers would reject and not use the internet, which is created by scientists; the internet would then be much more enjoyable for the rest of us. And there's an upside for the science deniers too, they would avoid the tracking that is made possible by the internet and which is almost as effective as the tracking devices that gets injected with the vaccines.

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, HighPriority said:

It’s amazing how science deniers find themselves someone who is remotely medically qualified but with opposing views to their peers and then decide that their nutjob is the oracle and everyone else is part of some big conspiracy or just incompetent 🤣

Theres a lot to be said for YouTube science degrees… 🙄

 

A word on Peter McCullough, also mentioned in the OP?

 

1984: Graduated from Baylor University with a Bachelor in Science

1988: Graduated with a medical degree from the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School

1991: Completed his residency at University of Washington School of Medicine

1991: Began his period as a medical attending at Mercy Hospital

1993: Studied his Masters degree in Public Health at the University of Michigan School of Public Health

1994: Began his fellowship in cardiovascular diseases at the William Beaumont Hospital

1997: Joined the Henry Ford Heart and Vascular Institute

2000: Appointed to serve as Section Chief of Cardiology of the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine, Truman Medical Center

2002: Made a Consultant Cardiologist and Division Chief of Nutrition and Preventive Medicine at the William Beaumont Hospital

2010: Served as the Chief Academic and Scientific officer of the St. John Providence Health System

Current: Joined Baylor University Medical Center as Vice Chief of Internal Medicine and Chief of Cardiovascular Research of the Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, HighPriority said:

It’s amazing how science deniers find themselves someone who is remotely medically qualified but with opposing views to their peers and then decide that their nutjob is the oracle and everyone else is part of some big conspiracy or just incompetent 🤣

Theres a lot to be said for YouTube science degrees… 🙄

 

As I know your answer to the Peter McCullough question will be that he is not a virologist:

 

A word on virologist Dr. Robert Redfield, who served as the director of the CDC during the Covid crisis, who claims that reports of so-called "Long Covid" are actually a cover-up for mRNA vaccine injury?

 

Since leaving his federal government position at the end of President Donald Trump’s first term in January 2021, Redfield has focused on treating patients in his medical practice.

He explains in the interview that his surgery is flooded with patients who have been led to believe they have “Lond Covid.”

However, he notes that the vast majority of those patients are actually suffering from an injury caused by the Covid mRNA “vaccine” they received.

 

https://slaynews.com/news/ex-cdc-director-long-covid-mrna-vaccine-injury/

[Red Phoenix]

9 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

... But fortunately in the case of people like RFK Jr., Peter McCullough and Steve Kirsch et. al. on vaccine issues, pretty much, you're not going to find ANY credible source / institution that has supported their anti-vax nonsense or has found them credible... 

QED - And of course ANY source not aligned with your pro-vax views is by definition labelled not trustworthy or credible. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Sources that I consider NON-credible are those who have been repeatedly found to have presented false and misleading info (and info that I myself can examine and find false and misleading by looking at the raw info they're relying on), regardless of what their views are...

 

Fortunately, in your case, virtually all of the sources you present and rely on are either A] serial COVID and vaccine misinformers, or B] nobodies from the gutters of the internet who have no standing or experience to render credible opinions of the subjects at hand....

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Sources that I consider NON-credible are those who have been repeatedly found to have presented false and misleading info (and info that I myself can examine and find false and misleading by looking at the raw info they're relying on), regardless of what their views are...

 

Fortunately, in your case, virtually all of the sources you present and rely on are either A] serial COVID and vaccine misinformers, or B] nobodies from the gutters of the internet who have no standing or experience to render credible opinions of the subjects at hand....

 

A word on virologist Dr. Robert Redfield, who served as the director of the CDC during the Covid crisis, who claims that reports of so-called "Long Covid" are actually a cover-up for mRNA vaccine injury?

 

Since leaving his federal government position at the end of President Donald Trump’s first term in January 2021, Redfield has focused on treating patients in his medical practice.

He explains in the interview that his surgery is flooded with patients who have been led to believe they have “Lond Covid.”

However, he notes that the vast majority of those patients are actually suffering from an injury caused by the Covid mRNA “vaccine” they received.

 

https://slaynews.com/news/ex-cdc-director-long-covid-mrna-vaccine-injury/

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Neither your source nor Redfield, the original useless Trump pawn as a CDC director during COVID, are very high on the credibility index... Or I guess better to say, both are pretty LOW on the credibility index:

 

CDC woes bring Director Redfield’s troubled past as an AIDS researcher to light

June 5, 2020

 

"...This is not the first time Redfield has been at the heart of a controversy over the government’s response to a virus epidemic. In the early 1990s, Redfield, then one of the Army’s top AIDS researchers, was at the center of a scandal over a purported HIV vaccine. Allegations that Redfield oversold data and cherry-picked results sparked an internal Army investigation into his work.  [emphasis added]

 

The Army ultimately did not charge Redfield with scientific misconduct. But interviews with former colleagues with direct knowledge of the investigation, and a review of internal documents suggest Redfield knew he was misrepresenting the data behind the vaccine, even as he publicly touted its results— an effort that ultimately helped garner millions in federal funds for further testing. [emphasis added]

 

Redfield was also found to be in violation of Army code over his relationship with a conservative AIDS nonprofit run by a prominent evangelical activist who has promoted abstinence-only solutions to the disease. In the end, the vaccine treatment did not pan out. Redfield has previously said that he stands by his work." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/cdc-redfield-aids-walter-reed-army-investigation/index.html

 

And of course, your "news" source, predictably, is even worse:

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slay-news-bias-and-credibility/

 

[rattlesnake]

27 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Neither your source nor Redfield, the original useless Trump pawn as a CDC director during COVID, are very high on the credibility index... Or I guess better to say, both are pretty LOW on the credibility index:

 

CDC woes bring Director Redfield’s troubled past as an AIDS researcher to light

June 5, 2020

 

"...This is not the first time Redfield has been at the heart of a controversy over the government’s response to a virus epidemic. In the early 1990s, Redfield, then one of the Army’s top AIDS researchers, was at the center of a scandal over a purported HIV vaccine. Allegations that Redfield oversold data and cherry-picked results sparked an internal Army investigation into his work.  [emphasis added]

 

The Army ultimately did not charge Redfield with scientific misconduct. But interviews with former colleagues with direct knowledge of the investigation, and a review of internal documents suggest Redfield knew he was misrepresenting the data behind the vaccine, even as he publicly touted its results— an effort that ultimately helped garner millions in federal funds for further testing. [emphasis added]

 

Redfield was also found to be in violation of Army code over his relationship with a conservative AIDS nonprofit run by a prominent evangelical activist who has promoted abstinence-only solutions to the disease. In the end, the vaccine treatment did not pan out. Redfield has previously said that he stands by his work." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/cdc-redfield-aids-walter-reed-army-investigation/index.html

 

And of course, your "news" source, predictably, is even worse:

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slay-news-bias-and-credibility/

 

 

This is what Dr. Redfield's peers had to say about him when he was appointed as CDC Director in 2018:

 

“Dr. Redfield’s appointment to Director of CDC is a brilliant recognition of a great public health advocate, an excellent researcher, and one that has a life of dedication to public service. This appointment is refreshingly not about politics, but about quality, competence and compassion. Dr. Redfield encompasses all of those qualities and more.”

Terry Lierman, Chairman of IHV’s Board of Advisors

 

“Dr. Redfield is eminently qualified for this critical position. He has made a lifelong commitment to advancing biomedical research and human health through discovery-based medicine."

Albert Reece, MD, PhD, MBA, Executive Vice President for Medical Affairs (UM Baltimore) and John Z. Akiko Bowers Distinguished Professor and Dean (University of Maryland School of Medicine)

 

“Dr. Redfield has served his country well, and consistently demonstrates strong public health instincts that are grounded in science and clinical medicine. In my view, despite the loss to the Institute, I believe this makes him the ideal candidate to direct the CDC.”

Dr. Gallo, Director and co-founder of the Institute of Human Virology (IHV) at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland

 

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2018/dr-robert-redfield-co-founder-of-the-institute-of-human-virology-at-the-university-of-maryland-school-of-medicine-to-become-cdc-director.html
 

 

Obviously, now that he is saying things he is not supposed to say, the above does not stand anymore. As explained yesterday in another thread, Dr. Redfield has now been demoted from "expert" to "discredited by the medical community" status.

 

[richard_smith237]

Can we stop calling them anti-vaxxers & call it for what it is….

…..  Ill educated laymen suckered into believing social media rubbish because they suffer from authoritarian distrust… 

 

 

There’s a strong overlap between flat-earthers & this anti-vax bunch which speaks volume…. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Redfield is not in the same gutter league as McCullough, Kirsch and RFK Jr... But he's a medical doctor who has a documented history of letting his political and religious views get in the way of what objective science actually is showing.  Hence, he wasn't very credible back then, and isn't any better today.

 

Meet Trump’s New, Homophobic Public Health Quack

The Centers for Disease Control will soon be run by a military doctor with a long history of pushing discriminatory AIDS policies.

March 23, 2018

 

"The extraordinarily disruptive turnover in the Trump administration’s senior staff has officially reached the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The White House, having already cycled through one CDC director, has named its second: Robert Redfield, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel and former University of Maryland opioids and AIDS researcher.

 

He is exactly the wrong person for the job. Amid an exploding influenza epidemic across the United States, an opioids crisis that has decreased the statistical life expectancy of Americans, and a budget crisis that twice compelled closure of critical laboratory and disease-fighting services, the CDC desperately needs a leader who can promise stability and expertise. Redfield represents the opposite; he is someone whose track record in HIV research and public health policy has been a scientific and moral failure."

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/23/meet-trumps-new-homophobic-public-health-quack/

 

 

[rattlesnake]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Redfield is not in the same gutter league as McCullough, Kirsch and RFK Jr... But he's a medical doctor who has a documented history of letting his political and religious views get in the way of what objective science actually is showing.  Hence, he wasn't very credible back then, and isn't any better today.

 

Meet Trump’s New, Homophobic Public Health Quack

The Centers for Disease Control will soon be run by a military doctor with a long history of pushing discriminatory AIDS policies.

March 23, 2018

 

"The extraordinarily disruptive turnover in the Trump administration’s senior staff has officially reached the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The White House, having already cycled through one CDC director, has named its second: Robert Redfield, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel and former University of Maryland opioids and AIDS researcher.

 

He is exactly the wrong person for the job. Amid an exploding influenza epidemic across the United States, an opioids crisis that has decreased the statistical life expectancy of Americans, and a budget crisis that twice compelled closure of critical laboratory and disease-fighting services, the CDC desperately needs a leader who can promise stability and expertise. Redfield represents the opposite; he is someone whose track record in HIV research and public health policy has been a scientific and moral failure."

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/23/meet-trumps-new-homophobic-public-health-quack/

 

 

 

You're just proving my point, John. There is no talking your way out of this one. 

 

Your best option is to do what the other sophists of this forum do in such cases, which is to drop out of the discussion entirely, wait for it to get buried, and start posting your talking points in another thread in a couple of days or so.

[rattlesnake]

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Can we stop calling them anti-vaxxers & call it for what it is….

…..  Ill educated laymen suckered into believing social media rubbish because they suffer from authoritarian distrust… 

 

 

There’s a strong overlap between flat-earthers & this anti-vax bunch which speaks volume…. 

 

A word on virologist Dr. Robert Redfield, who served as the director of the CDC during the Covid crisis, who claims that reports of so-called "Long Covid" are actually a cover-up for mRNA vaccine injury?

 

Since leaving his federal government position at the end of President Donald Trump’s first term in January 2021, Redfield has focused on treating patients in his medical practice.

He explains in the interview that his surgery is flooded with patients who have been led to believe they have “Lond Covid.”

However, he notes that the vast majority of those patients are actually suffering from an injury caused by the Covid mRNA “vaccine” they received.

 

https://slaynews.com/news/ex-cdc-director-long-covid-mrna-vaccine-injury/

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

A word on virologist Dr. Robert Redfield, who served as the director of the CDC during the Covid crisis, who claims that reports of so-called "Long Covid" are actually a cover-up for mRNA vaccine injury?

 

Since leaving his federal government position at the end of President Donald Trump’s first term in January 2021, Redfield has focused on treating patients in his medical practice.

He explains in the interview that his surgery is flooded with patients who have been led to believe they have “Lond Covid.”

However, he notes that the vast majority of those patients are actually suffering from an injury caused by the Covid mRNA “vaccine” they received.

 

https://slaynews.com/news/ex-cdc-director-long-covid-mrna-vaccine-injury/

Sorry - not biting tonight…. This endless silliness is…. Well, just endless silliness !!! 

[save the frogs]

On 4/25/2025 at 12:02 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

discredited claims that COVID vaccines supposedly cause various psychiatric conditions

 

You don't need to look at any science.

Billions of people took the vaccine and their "psychiatric state" hasn't changed. 

 

It's just fear-mongering. 

 

[jayboy]

On 5/6/2025 at 6:45 AM, rattlesnake said:

 

"Not peer-revieeeeewed!!!", bleat the sheep.

 

 

Translation. Please don't confuse matters by introducing scientific rigour.

 

It's amusing that the craziest conspiracy nuts tend to brand those they disagree with as sheep.

[johng]

19 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Billions of people took the vaccine and their "psychiatric state" hasn't changed.

I think it has   as well as their physical health state  look to the unprecedented rise in excess mortality   that the "experts" are at a loss to explain.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, johng said:

I think it has   as well as their physical health state  look to the unprecedented rise in excess mortality   that the "experts" are at a loss to explain.

 

I'm at a loss to continue to debate.

I surrender.

 

[johng]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

they suffer from authoritarian distrust… 

 

As we all should   especially after the "plandemic"  "Covidiocy"   mandated injection of an experimental untested concoction and the military grade syop to get everyone on board ...this is worthy of a huge amount of distrust.