Louis Theroux: The Settlers

[josephbloggs]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Its my opinion that Jews should be able to live on the land called Judea (Judea doesn't actually mean Jew and that name dates back 1000's of years) , but the actual law isn't clear on that matter 

And should the Palestinians not also have the right to live on their land that they have occupied for centuries? Or should Israel be allowed to displace them for no other reason than what their religious history tells them?

That is the question. Why is the will of Israel more important? Why can they occupy and harass and demean with aggression? You dehumanise them with words and names but they are family people trying to get by, trying to pick olives off their own trees on their own land in their own Israeli approved zone, trying to earn a living, trying to navigate their streets though checkpoints that are arbitrarily closed so people can't walk home.

Please watch the film, I am genuinely keen to know if it is one sided or not.

[Jeff the Chef]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Its my opinion that Jews should be able to live on the land called Judea (Judea doesn't actually mean Jew and that name dates back 1000's of years) , but the actual law isn't clear on that matter 

 

Absolute rubbish, the law is as clear as day going back to the Treaty of Versailles, where all the International law starts from in the modern era, after the Great War, WW1.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Please watch the film, I am genuinely keen to know if it is one sided or not.

 

   I have already told you, I don't have a licence to watch the film 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

And should the Palestinians not also have the right to live on their land that they have occupied for centuries? Or should Israel be allowed to displace them for no other reason than what their religious history tells them?
 

 

   Yes, Palestinians were welcome to live on the land . But they keep violently attacking Jews and will not live in peace  .

   Because of their violent  behaviour, they need to move to somewhere else 

[Packer]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Its my opinion that Jews should be able to live on the land called Judea

 

You seem to think that Jews weren't able to live there pre-1948.

 

 

News Flash: They were. 🙂

 

If the correct single state solution happens, they still can, the exact same as any other religion, as long as they have Palestinian passports or long-term visas. 🙂

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

You seem to think that Jews weren't able to live there pre-1948.

 

 

   What bought you to the conclusion that I seem to think that ?

[josephbloggs]

30 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I have already told you, I don't have a licence to watch the film 

Other people have posted alternative links.

[josephbloggs]

27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, Palestinians were welcome to live on the land . But they keep violently attacking Jews and will not live in peace  .

   Because of their violent  behaviour, they need to move to somewhere else 

"Were" welcome? So now you admit they are no longer welcome on their own land?

I am wondering where you get your news from. You seem to categorise the whole people as violent Jew attackers. They are families, olive pickers, people who want a simple life. The IDF are not violent? 

You need to open your mind, you really do. I pity you with your blind hatred, it is not healthy.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Other people have posted alternative links.

 

   Look back through the thread . 

The Copyrighted material has been removed 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, josephbloggs said:

"Were" welcome? So now you admit they are no longer welcome on their own land?

I am wondering where you get your news from. You seem to categorise the whole people as violent Jew attackers. They are families, olive pickers, people who want a simple life. The IDF are not violent? 

You need to open your mind, you really do. I pity you with your blind hatred, it is not healthy.

 

   I have actually been to the West bank and Gaza and seen for myself and lived there for a while  .

[josephbloggs]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I have actually been to the West bank and Gaza and seen for myself and lived there for a while  .

Ok, explains a lot. I think I saw you in the video - do you have lots of guns and a mullet? I definitely saw you.

[Evil Penevil]

1 hour ago, Packer said:

 

You appear to have the reading comprehension and intelligence of a young child. You'll have to excuse me from answering your bizarre and simplistic questions, and instead accept this smile and pat on the head. *smiles*  *pat pat*

 

Translation- Packer is intellectually unable to answer my straight-forward questions,  so he chooses the response of opponents of Israel everywhere, an ad hominem attack.  Asking whether Jews are entitled to a national homeland and who will fight for Jews in case of another Holocaust always (100% of the time) baffles the haters.  

 

But in case anyone else would like to lend Packer much-needed assistance, please this simple question:  Are the  Jews of the world entitled to a Jewish-majority national homeland?                    

 

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Probably none.

 

For the first and perhaps only time, I agree with something you have written.  The Jews of Israel have nowhere else to go; they literally have their backs against the sea.  That's why they fight so hard to preserve their homeland.

[Jeff the Chef]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I have actually been to the West bank and Gaza and seen for myself and lived there for a while  .

 

Really, and yet you still support all the carnage Israel has dished out to the Arabs who've lived there for generations, even before Israel was created, and stand up for anything they do, unbelievable.

[Jeff the Chef]

4 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Are the  Jews of the world entitled to a Jewish-majority national homeland?                    

 

Yes, of course they are entitled to a National Homeland, but only if they comply with International Laws.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok, explains a lot. I think I saw you in the video - do you have lots of guns and a mullet? I definitely saw you.

 

  I sided with the Palestinians at the time , spent some time with some terrorists , the Black September guys 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yes, of course they are entitled to a National Homeland, but only if they comply with International Laws.

 

  Well, if that's the yardstick .

If Countries only have the right to exist if they comply with International law . 

  Due to Palestinians breaking International  laws, Palestine has no right to exist 

[Jeff the Chef]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Well, if that's the yardstick .

If Countries only have the right to exist if they comply with International law . 

  Due to Palestinians breaking International  laws, Palestine has no right to exist 

 

Exactly right, so therefore neither does Israel. So we are where we are.

[Bkk Brian]

Never been a defender of the settlements in the West Bank just picked up the occasional media article on them, didn't watch this doc either but it had some historical context missing according to this account:

 

I watched the full Louis Theroux documentary on the settler movement. 

I wanted to point out at least one historical inaccuracy that I spotted when he speaks about Hebron. 

He states: “In 1968, the year after it was occupied by Israel, a community of Jewish settlers moved in illegally. They now number some 700.”

In 1895 the Jewish population of Hebron was 1,429. So there were more Jews in Hebron some 130 years ago than there are Jews in Hebron today. Why does Louis neglect to mention this?

He interviews a Palestinian human rights activist named Issa. This man states: “This is my land. The settlers chose to come here. And if it’s not safe for them, why continue to build more settlements in my own city?”

But let’s step back for a second. Why is it that the Jewish population of Hebron is smaller today than it was 130 years ago?

Jews have lived in Hebron since antiquity. Biblical tradition holds that Abraham settled in Hebron and purchased the Cave of the Patriarchs as a burial place for his wife Sarah.
Modern Jewish history in Hebron dates back to at least the 15th century. A visiting rabbi found at least 20 Jewish families living in Hebron in 1521.

This small Jewish community grew over the years despite facing brutal discrimination and recurring pogroms. They were banned from praying at the Cave of the Patriarchs - one of the holiest sites in Judaism - until the beginning of the 20th century. 

The Jewish community of Hebron was only effectively finally destroyed in 1929 as a result of the Hebron Massacre. 

Dozens of Jews - including non-Zionist Jews who had lived in Hebron for generations - were systematically murdered by Arab nationalists. The British then ordered the remaining Jews to leave the city. Jewish properties and homes were looted. The Hadassah building became an Arab girls' school, the Abraham Avinu synagogue was destroyed and used as a goat pen, and the Jewish cemetery was vandalized and desecrated.

When Jordan occupied Hebron from 1948 to 1967, they razed the last remaining Jewish synagogues and strictly prohibited Jewish access to the city. The Tomb of the Patriarchs was once again off limits to the Jews. 

Following Israel’s victory in the 1967 Six Day War, Jews were finally able to reenter the city and visit the Tomb of the Patriarchs. Louis Theroux only picks up the story here, when settlers “illegally” moved in.

I want to clarify that I oppose extremist settlers in the West Bank. But if the Jews are to live anywhere in the West Bank, surely there can be a community in Hebron? I mean, how is it fair that a 500 year old Jewish community gets massacred and expelled and their homes looted and when they move back in 30 years later it’s “illegal.”

[Nick Carter icp]

9 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Exactly right, so therefore neither does Israel. So we are where we are.

 

  Australia, the USA and the UK have all broken International law as well .

Those three Countries will have to go as well 

 

"The United Nations Human Rights Committee has ruled that Australia breached international human rights law by detaining a group of young asylum seekers in immigration detention in Nauru."

 

https://theconversation.com/the-un-says-australia-violated-human-rights-law-but-its-unlikely-to-change-the-way-we-treat-refugees-247096

[johng]

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I have already told you, I don't have a licence to watch the film 

 

It's on the piratebay.

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Australia, the USA and the UK have all broken International law as well .

Those three Countries will have to go as well 

 

"The United Nations Human Rights Committee has ruled that Australia breached international human rights law by detaining a group of young asylum seekers in immigration detention in Nauru."

 

https://theconversation.com/the-un-says-australia-violated-human-rights-law-but-its-unlikely-to-change-the-way-we-treat-refugees-247096

 

All very well, but this is about Israel and Palestine, so off topic and the standard its not us but everybody else ploy.

The World is slowly but surely losing any sympathy it had for the Jews after the Holocaust, all because of the treatment being used on the Arabs/Palestinians by the Israeli's.

The sad part of it all is, not all Jews agree with what the Israeli's are doing, but they are getting tarred with the same brush.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

All very well, but this is about Israel and Palestine, so off topic

 

  It was your suggestion that Countries who break International law shouldn't exist .

   If that was the case, then Australia would need to cease to exist and the Country be given back to the Aborigines .

   You cannot have one law for Israel and one law for every other Country 

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  It was your suggestion that Countries who break International law shouldn't exist .

   If that was the case, then Australia would need to cease to exist and the Country be given back to the Aborigines .

   You cannot have one law for Israel and one law for every other Country 

 

Deflection as usual, Nick, that is not what I said, you've brought in Aus/Us/GB not me, what I said and I quote "Yes, of course they are entitled to a National Homeland, but only if they comply with International Laws.

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The World is slowly but surely losing any sympathy it had for the Jews after the Holocaust, all because of the treatment being used on the Arabs/Palestinians by the Israeli'

 

  With Trump being elected , Palestinians singing and dancing on Jewish babies coffins , the continuing lies about genocide and starvation , the Palestinian war crimes of holding hostages  , Hamas posing as journalists , U.N workers and Medics , Palestinians anti LBTG stance .

   Palestinians have lost lots of sympathy for their cause and the small loud vocal minority who cause a disruption everywhere they go have been stopped .

   The World seems to have moved on and lost interest in the Palestian cause 

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Deflection as usual, Nick, that is not what I said, you've brought in Aus/Us/GB not me, what I said and I quote "Yes, of course they are entitled to a National Homeland, but only if they comply with International Laws.

 

I know what you said !!!!!!

I read it and I replied to it .

Now that you've repeated yourself and said it again, do I need to repeat my reply again ?

   You want an International  law for Israel , one specific law that only Israel has to comply with .

   Laws do not work like that , there needs to be one law for all and all Countries have to abide by it 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

I know what you said !!!!!!

I read it and I replied to it .

Now that you've repeated yourself and said it again, do I need to repeat my reply again ?

   You want an International  law for Israel , one specific law that only Israel has to comply with .

   Laws do not work like that , there needs to be one law for all and all Countries have to abide by it 

 

As I've also said this Topic is about Israel and Palestine.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

As I've also said this Topic is about Israel and Palestine.

 

  Yes Jeff, I know .

But you you make a suggestion about new International laws, then it effects the whole World and not just two Countries .

   You seem to be following Uncle Adolf's path of having rules that apply to Jews only 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

All very well, but this is about Israel and Palestine, so off topic and the standard its not us but everybody else ploy.

The World is slowly but surely losing any sympathy it had for the Jews after the Holocaust, all because of the treatment being used on the Arabs/Palestinians by the Israeli's.

The sad part of it all is, not all Jews agree with what the Israeli's are doing, but they are getting tarred with the same brush.

Didn't think it would be long before you showed your true colours again.

 

What it this accusation that:

 

"The World is slowly but surely losing any sympathy it had for the Jews after the Holocaust"

 

This is about the settlers in the West Bank and here you are tarring Jews with their treatment of Arabs/Palestinians in general.

 

There are around 2.1 million Israeli Arabs living in Israel happily. In fact some even fight for the IDF in Gaza. Nearly 2% of the polulation in Israel is Christian.

 

More facts, there are some Christian settlers in the West Bank and some Dutch Christian groups actually fund Israeli settlements there. Granted the majority are of course Jewish though.

 

The veil slips again

[Yagoda]

14 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yes, of course they are entitled to a National Homeland, but only if they comply with International Laws.

They dont have to, because they are the creme of humanity and they do what we tell them. Got a biatch with them, take it up with us. 

[Nick Carter icp]

49 minutes ago, johng said:

 

It's on the piratebay.

 

   That would be illegal as its copywrite material , not only that Pirate bay is inaccessible for me .

   But I.ve heard enough about the documentary to know its one sided , where the poor palestians just want to quietly pick their olives for dinner and Jews keep killing them for no reason at all .

   Let me guess, its woman and children picking the olives ?