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Honestly, I do not think his idea will ever come to fruition. One thing about being incarcerated is having the ability to be near where your family is so they can visit. 

In the illegal immigrant incidences, he tries to send them to their country but when that country refused he will send them elsewhere. 

For American criminals though, I do not think he can send them to another country to serve their time in prison.

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2 hours ago, renaissanc said:

If women know that they will be sent to a jail in Afghanistan for certain crimes, they won't commit those crimes. 

If men know they'll be sent to a jail in Libya, Afghanistan, El Salvador, or Rwanda, for example, for certain crimes, they won't commit those crimes.

Make people so scared about the consequences that they won't commit serious crimes, and they will become rare.


Bit of a naive narrative, isn’t it? If even the death penalty is not enough of a deterrent to stop people from committing certain crimes, how is deportation going to be a deterrent?

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5 hours ago, rudi49jr said:


Bit of a naive narrative, isn’t it? If even the death penalty is not enough of a deterrent to stop people from committing certain crimes, how is deportation going to be a deterrent?

Yeah, zero chance that 100% of crimes being stopped with this.  But if 1% could be?  Or just 1?  May not be worth the money if just 1.

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Have one of these countries cede a tiny bit of territory to the USA. Boom! You haven't been deported, you are technically in the USA. Have a landing strip and put the embassy in the same place. I bet not too many people show up with fraudulent visa or asylum claims if the prison is right there. Safe place to wait for asylum etc.

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Theatre for the masses. There are countries with the death penalty for murder. Murders still occur. Some have the death penalty for adultery. Adultery occurs. As does thieving despite amputaton.

 

It costs El Salvador $2000 per annum to house a convict. The are charging $20,000 per prisoner for the first 300 transferred from the US. That's an ongoing cost. There are 400,000 more to go. There are claims this is cheaper than costs in the US. But this is not true, because there are additional costs when you ship violent prisoners to another country.

 

First there is the issue of the transport. So far, they have used US Air Force transport to take prisoners to El Salvador. In the future, its likely the Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System (JPATS), aka "Con Air". They have a fleet of 4 aircraft (2x737-400 and 1 each of 737-700 and -800. These 4 aircraft transport 300,000 prisoners a year within the US. Typically, the flights are 200 prisoners, with 12 marshals (https://www.justice.gov/d9/pages/attachments/2020/02/10/usms_fy_2021_pb_narrative_-_jpats_-_200207_final.pdf)

 

2021 budget was $70m, probably $100m plus now

 

To expand this to include long haul flights for 400,000, the fleet will likely need to triple in size. And that will also see a big uplift in budget. There are actually prison airports in the US.

 

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Going to need a few more of those, to use as reception centers. The analogy is Prison Transports by the UK. When a convict was sentenced to transportation, he wasn't sent down, put on a boat, and away he goes to Australia. What actually happened if he would wait on a prison hulk for upto 7 years, essentially so a convict ship could be fully filled before setting sail

 

All these costs add to the costs per prisoner sent into effective exile (if its expanded to include US citizens). Receiving countries will be compensated on an annual basis, likely consisting of a standing charge, then some calculation based on headcount. How would the US know they are not paying for prisners who have died or have been released, but still claimed for? So they need to set up a system for inspection. But there is a huge potential, over a 20-30 year period, the US will get scammed.

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