How Bad Is China’s Economy? The Data Needed to Answer Is Vanishing

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In all, Chinese officials have stopped publishing hundreds of data points once used by researchers and investors, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.
In most cases, Chinese authorities haven’t given any reason for ending or withholding data. But the missing numbers have come as the world’s second biggest economy has stumbled under the weight of excessive debt, a crumbling real-estate market and other troubles—spurring heavy-handed efforts by authorities to control the narrative.

https://archive.ph/BXAed#selection-2041.0-2049.157

[Jim Blue]

41 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I am sure the anti Trumpers here are on the cartels side.

Wonder if they are going to say " please sir can we have our money back...we need it " and what happens next ?

[SunnyinBangrak]

43 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In all, Chinese officials have stopped publishing hundreds of data points once used by researchers and investors, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.
In most cases, Chinese authorities haven’t given any reason for ending or withholding data. But the missing numbers have come as the world’s second biggest economy has stumbled under the weight of excessive debt, a crumbling real-estate market and other troubles—spurring heavy-handed efforts by authorities to control the narrative.

https://archive.ph/BXAed#selection-2041.0-2049.157

They are absolutely rooted by Donald John Trump's magnificent and beautiful tariffs. The biggest and most beautiful tariffs ever.

#winning

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Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

They are absolutely rooted by Donald John Trump's magnificent and beautiful tariffs. The biggest and most beautiful tariffs ever.

#winning

Because the harm only goes one way? Let's see how Americans feel about this in a couple of months.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

In all, Chinese officials have stopped publishing hundreds of data points once used by researchers and investors, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.
In most cases, Chinese authorities haven’t given any reason for ending or withholding data. But the missing numbers have come as the world’s second biggest economy has stumbled under the weight of excessive debt, a crumbling real-estate market and other troubles—spurring heavy-handed efforts by authorities to control the narrative.

 

You're coming round to reality. Bravo! Of course this is still a lot better than simply LYING about GPD figures as China admitted doing in the past. 

 

But it's obvious why the data is disappearing mysteriously, don't you think?

[Patong2021]

China's veneer of wealth could disappear, but the Chinese steadfastness will remain. Westerners have a difficult time understanding the mainland Chinese mentality or value system. They are a tough people used to hardship and capable of  enduring  pain  for the benefit of their families and future generations. As long as there is food, even if basic, and a clear statement of a national goal and direction, the Chinese people will not falter. They will remain united when faced with an external threat. One need only watch some of the more popular Chinese dramas and comedies. The scripts always emphasize a need for the Chinese to stick together and to help each other. They are like a colony of army ants who ill sacrifice their all for the benefit of the pupae and Queen. That is why GDP data and other financial indicators that the west relies on, are not reliable indicators of  the Chinese  sentiment.

[Screaming]

55 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

They are absolutely rooted by Donald John Trump's magnificent and beautiful tariffs. The biggest and most beautiful tariffs ever.

#winning

So very true Sunny and Winnie will soon come crying to President Trump with an offer to balance the trade issue.

[Cryingdick]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Because the harm only goes one way? Let's see how Americans feel about this in a couple of months.

You have to be insane if you think this doesn't also hurt the Chinese and probably much more than it does the USA. 

[Tug]

2 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

You have to be insane if you think this doesn't also hurt the Chinese and probably much more than it does the USA. 

Perhaps but the Chinese are used to pain I’m sure their iron fisted government will apprise them of that if they falter.allready the farmers here are getting slaughtered just wait till there’s nothing on the shelves to buy (at any price) and no food because there’s no labor to harvest it.i would be delighted to be wrong about this and time will tell best prepare.

[Cryingdick]

Just now, Tug said:

Perhaps but the Chinese are used to pain I’m sure their iron fisted government will apprise them of that if they falter.allready the farmers here are getting slaughtered just wait till there’s nothing on the shelves to buy (at any price) and no food because there’s no labor to harvest it.i would be delighted to be wrong about this and time will tell best prepare.

There is a new wave of Chinese raised on Starbucks and iPhones. The age of the tough guy has passed. Chinese companies can't even report their books because they are that bad. This is why they may become delisted from American exchanges. There is no there, there, folks. 

[Tug]

15 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

There is a new wave of Chinese raised on Starbucks and iPhones. The age of the tough guy has passed. Chinese companies can't even report their books because they are that bad. This is why they may become delisted from American exchanges. There is no there, there, folks. 

Time will tell meanwhile regular humans pay the price not the wealthy…..it will be interesting to see with time what the actual results will be from all this all the experts you know the folks who study such things are shall we say skeptical…..to put it mildly.

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, Tug said:

Time will tell meanwhile regular humans pay the price not the wealthy…..it will be interesting to see with time what the actual results will be from all this all the experts you know the folks who study such things are shall we say skeptical…..to put it mildly.

Well Chinese factories are grinding to a halt, there are boats of goods with no destination, Europe is saying don't dump it on us are they will face tariffs. China has to hide their numbers because it is going to get real ugly real quick.

 

The thing is they can't hide the numbers to their businesses. To their employees, they can censor their speech but those people can see for themselves. 

[Tug]

1 minute ago, Cryingdick said:

Well Chinese factories are grinding to a haunt, there are boats of goods with no destination, Europe is saying don't dump it on us are they will face tariffs.

Yup it’s a mess no doubt about it……rough seas ahead prepare!wasn't aware of Europes stance on turning down getting a bargain 

[Cryingdick]

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Yup it’s a mess no doubt about it……rough seas ahead prepare!wasn't aware of Europes stance on turning down getting a bargain 

It's only a bargain for shortsighted dimwits. It's like a dope dealer giving you a free rock of crack. Sounds great.

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3 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

You have to be insane if you think this doesn't also hurt the Chinese and probably much more than it does the USA. 

You have to have dyslexia or worse if the believe that's the meaning of what I wrote. Again, here's what I wrote: "Because the harm only goes one way?" Do I really have to spell out the point I was making? It seems blatantly obvious to me.

[dinsdale]

It's the CCP. They hide or delete everything (and everyone) that makes them look bad. Unlike the US, China is a dictatorship.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You have to have dyslexia or worse if the believe that's the meaning of what I wrote. Again, here's what I wrote: "Because the harm only goes one way?" Do I really have to spell out the point I was making? It seems blatantly obvious to me.

Your are unable to have a two way conversation. 

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1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Your are unable to have a two way conversation. 

So this was a friendly comment, was it?

"You have to be insane if you think this doesn't also hurt the Chinese and probably much more than it does the USA." 

[newbee2022]

9 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

You're coming round to reality. Bravo! Of course this is still a lot better than simply LYING about GPD figures as China admitted doing in the past. 

 

But it's obvious why the data is disappearing mysteriously, don't you think?

Why Xi should lie? 

Our media wants us to believe that.

And if they don't publish it anymore the media wants us to believe China got problems.

My assumptions against your assumptions 🤗

[JimHuaHin]

In recent times (the last decade or so) China has reduced publishing some data when the data reflects badly on the Chinese economy.

 

China has some big economic and social problems which it would prefer to hide.

[ExpatOilWorker]

50 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

In recent times (the last decade or so) China has reduced publishing some data when the data reflects badly on the Chinese economy.

 

China has some big economic and social problems which it would prefer to hide.

Correct and it is fair to assume Xi is hiding some bad news.

 

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1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Why Xi should lie? 

Our media wants us to believe that.

And if they don't publish it anymore the media wants us to believe China got problems.

My assumptions against your assumptions 🤗

The reason countries publish these statistics is to attract investors and reassure the world about the condition of the economy.  If they drastically reduce the flow of the information, that doesn't send a good message.

[candide]

14 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

You're coming round to reality. Bravo! Of course this is still a lot better than simply LYING about GPD figures as China admitted doing in the past. 

 

But it's obvious why the data is disappearing mysteriously, don't you think?

According to the OP, the data publication was stopped in 2022-2023.

[candide]

16 hours ago, placeholder said:

In all, Chinese officials have stopped publishing hundreds of data points once used by researchers and investors, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.
In most cases, Chinese authorities haven’t given any reason for ending or withholding data. But the missing numbers have come as the world’s second biggest economy has stumbled under the weight of excessive debt, a crumbling real-estate market and other troubles—spurring heavy-handed efforts by authorities to control the narrative.

https://archive.ph/BXAed#selection-2041.0-2049.157

Official statistics, such as GDP growth, have always been rigged in China. That's why analysts were using indirect ways to check it. It seems some of these indirect ways have been hidden.