Brutal Murder of Israeli Businessman in LA Tied to Illegal Immigrants

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Brutal Murder of Israeli Businessman in Los Angeles Tied to Illegal Immigrants — One Freed by Sanctuary City

 

The harrowing murder of an Israeli businessman in Los Angeles has shed light on growing concerns over immigration enforcement and sanctuary city policies. Authorities say that three men accused of brutally killing 47-year-old Alexander Modebadze in his home are all illegal immigrants from Georgia, one of whom was previously released by a sanctuary city despite a federal detainer request.

 

According to the Los Angeles Police Department, Modebadze was held captive for hours in his own residence before being savagely beaten to death. The suspects — Pata Kochiashvili, Zaza Otarashvili, and Besiki Khutsishvili — have been arrested and charged with murder. Each of them is now being held on $2 million bail, and federal immigration detainers have been placed on all three.

 

Details have emerged revealing how the men entered and remained in the United States. Otarashvili and Khutsishvili crossed the southern border illegally during the Biden administration. Otarashvili was detained by border agents after illegally entering near Yuma, Arizona, on July 3, 2022. He was released soon afterward and instructed to report to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office in New York, which he did about three weeks later. At that appointment, he was given another date a year out, which he failed to attend. He submitted an asylum application in October 2022, but his court hearing was cancelled for unknown reasons.

 

 

Khutsishvili entered through San Luis, Arizona, on March 18, 2022. After being transferred to ICE, he was released 12 days later on a $3,000 immigration bond. He initially told officials he planned to move to New York, where he filed an asylum application. He later informed the immigration court of his intention to relocate to Van Nuys, California. His next hearing isn’t scheduled until 2028.

 

Kochiashvili’s immigration history traces back even further. He entered the U.S. legally as a tourist on October 8, 2017, but was required to leave by April 2018 — a deadline he ignored. He later applied for asylum, though his case never led to his removal. In September 2020, he was arrested by the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department in West Hollywood for burglary, but the case was dropped due to lack of evidence. Federal authorities filed a detainer the day after his arrest, yet local officials released him anyway. He was arrested again in August 2022 in Palmdale for marijuana cultivation, a case that remains pending. Again, ICE filed a detainer the next day, and once more, it was ignored.

 

In a chilling twist, hours after Modebadze’s body was discovered, police found another Israeli businessman, Meni Hidhra — the brother of a prison warden in Israel — murdered in his home in the same neighborhood. The Jewish Journal reported on the second killing, which, although similarly brutal, appears to be unrelated to the Modebadze case. Authorities are currently seeking a Hispanic male suspect, believed to be between 30 and 40 years old, in connection to Hidhra’s death.

 

As investigations continue, the case has stirred political debate over immigration policies and sanctuary jurisdictions. The release of individuals with prior arrests despite ICE detainers has become a focal point of criticism, especially in light of violent crimes like this.

 

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[Cryingdick]

This happens when you let millions of people in unvetted, during a pandemic no less, with no rational explanation for doing so.

[Pouatchee]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

This happens when you let millions of people in unvetted, during a pandemic no less, with no rational explanation for doing so.

 

let the proud wokies like @WDSmart come along and tell us why he agrees with criminals being released in sanctuary cities. I am sure his take on this will make for a good read

[WDSmart]

4 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

 

let the proud wokies like @WDSmart come along and tell us why he agrees with criminals being released in sanctuary cities. I am sure his take on this will make for a good read

The problem between the "woke" (my) and "non-woke" (MAGA Supporters) on this topic, and a lot of topics, stems from the use of certain words or terms. In this case, it's "criminals."

I define "criminal" as someone who's been charged with and convicted of a crime using a due process of the law.

• If someone has just been charged, they have the right to due process, so a trial date is set.
  • If they are not considered a flight risk or a risk to the community, they will be released on bond (which could be zero dollars) and given a trial date.
  • If they are considered a flight risk or a risk to the community, they will be imprisoned until the trial date.
  • If they are found guilty, they will be sentenced. THEN, THEY ARE A CRIMINAL
    • When someone has been convicted, then they have, or soon will be, given a sentence, which could, on one extreme, include imprisonment, a fine, or, on the other extreme, could just be scolded and released.
    • If the accused is here on a visa, they could also be deported back to their country of origin.
    • If the accused is here but has no visa and claims asylum, they could then be told to go through the immigration due process to determine if their claim of asylum is legitimate.
      • If it is, they would then get an asylum visa.
      • If their claim for asylum is denied, then they should be deported back to their country of origin.
  • If they are found not guilty, they will be released.

The "non-woke" (MAGA Supporters) define "criminal" as:

• Anyone charged with a crime.
• Anyone here on a visa who is SUSPECTED of committing a crime, is non-White, and not a native English-speaker.
• Anyone here without a valid visa.
• Anyone demonstrating against the Zionist takeover of Palestine.
• Basically, anyone who disagrees with them.
   

So, I say the problem here again is how the "woke" and "non-woke" differ in their use of the word "criminal." And this is also the case in many, maybe most, of the disagreements between these two groups.

[Mike_Hunt]

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The problem between the "woke" (my) and "non-woke" (MAGA Supporters) on this topic, and a lot of topics, stems from the use of certain words or terms. In this case, it's "criminals."

I define "criminal" as someone who's been charged with and convicted of a crime using a due process of the law.

• If someone has just been charged, they have the right to due process, so a trial date is set.
  • If they are not considered a flight risk or a risk to the community, they will be released on bond (which could be zero dollars) and given a trial date.
  • If they are considered a flight risk or a risk to the community, they will be imprisoned until the trial date.
  • If they are found guilty, they will be sentenced. THEN, THEY ARE A CRIMINAL
    • When someone has been convicted, then they have, or soon will be, given a sentence, which could, on one extreme, include imprisonment, a fine, or, on the other extreme, could just be scolded and released.
    • If the accused is here on a visa, they could also be deported back to their country of origin.
    • If the accused is here but has no visa and claims asylum, they could then be told to go through the immigration due process to determine if their claim of asylum is legitimate.
      • If it is, they would then get an asylum visa.
      • If their claim for asylum is denied, then they should be deported back to their country of origin.
  • If they are found not guilty, they will be released.

The "non-woke" (MAGA Supporters) define "criminal" as:

• Anyone charged with a crime.
• Anyone here on a visa who is SUSPECTED of committing a crime, is non-White, and not a native English-speaker.
• Anyone here without a valid visa.
• Anyone demonstrating against the Zionist takeover of Palestine.
• Basically, anyone who disagrees with them.
   

So, I say the problem here again is how the "woke" and "non-woke" differ in their use of the word "criminal." And this is also the case in many, maybe most, of the disagreements between these two groups.

You love your illegals. 

[klauskunkel]

4 hours ago, WDSmart said:

 In this case, it's "criminals."
I define "criminal" as someone who's been charged with and convicted of a crime using a due process of the law.

I define "criminal" as someone who has committed a criminal act. No charge, conviction or even witnesses are necessary to be a criminal.

[WDSmart]

4 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

4 hours ago, WDSmart said:

 In this case, it's "criminals."
I define "criminal" as someone who's been charged with and convicted of a crime using a due process of the law.

I define "criminal" as someone who has committed a criminal act. No charge, conviction or even witnesses are necessary to be a criminal.

Yes, that's how all the "un-woke", MAGA supporters use the term, also. They don't believe any due process is necessary. They believe just the suspicion or assumption that someone has committed a criminal act makes them a criminal. That is the root of this and many other problems between the "un-woke" MAGA supporters and the "woke" liberals. It's very hard to discuss something when you're both not using the same meaning for terms relevant to the issue. 

[SLOWHAND225]

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, that's how all the "un-woke", MAGA supporters use the term, also. They don't believe any due process is necessary. They believe just the suspicion or assumption that someone has committed a criminal act makes them a criminal. That is the root of this and many other problems between the "un-woke" MAGA supporters and the "woke" liberals. It's very hard to discuss something when you're both not using the same meaning for terms relevant to the issue. 

 

Try reading a dictionary once in awhile.

 

In Webster's Dictionary, "criminal" can refer to a noun (a person who has committed a crime or has been convicted of a crime) or an adjective (having the nature of or involving a crime, or guilty of a crime). 

 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

As a noun:

• A person who has committed a crime, or has been legally convicted of one. 
   
• It can also refer to someone who commits crimes for a living, known as a "career criminal," according to Merriam-Webster. 
   

As an adjective:

• It describes something that is illegal or wrongful, or that is in the nature of a crime. 
   
• It can also be used to describe something that is regrettable or deplorable, according to Collins Dictionary. 
   
• In a legal context, it can refer to matters concerning crime or punishment, according to Collins Dictionary. 

[bkk6060]

Another murder because of Biden. Total idiot.

[MicroB]

Modebadze is also a Georgian name. I wonder if the deceased 47 year old Israeli is the same as the 47 year old form Olympian Aleksi  Modebadze

 

Another Modebadze, also a former wrestler,  was murdered in 2016

 

https://dfwatch.net/former-georgian-mp-shot-dead-in-kakheti-44355

 

The usual profile of an illegal immigrant is a younger man; they have more drive, and are predisposed to taking most risk (its a medical fact; as men age, we become more risk averse, an evolutionary response to avoiding being the aging Alpha male getting killed by the young cubs).

 

The suspects are aged 38 to 52. LAPD report the suspects were found with $60k in cash, and firearms. They also report they had prior business dealings with the deceased/

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-05-02/valley-killings-911-calls-response-investigation

 

Post Soviet blood feuds being settled perhaps. The headline of "Israeli businessman" is a red herring. His naturalized citizenship was nothing to do with  his death.

 

This is organised crime at work. The 3 men were probably thugs back home. What the US has to accept is that its organised criminal gangs, that include Americans, facilitating most of this.

 

The President knows all about this.

 

https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2019/09/trumps-mob-connections/176871/

 

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House Wreckers Union Local 95

The union, run mainly by the Genovese crime family, hired a large swath of nonunion, undocumented Polish and South Korean demolition workers to work alongside its union members. Trump used Local 95’s undocumented workers in 1979 to demolish the Bonwit Teller department store in order to make way for Trump Tower.

Trump denied knowing that he had employed undocumented workers, but was nevertheless fined $325,000 on the grounds of partipacting in a conspiracy to violate a fiduciary duty, in 1991. Though, the case was settled in negotiations and an agreement was sealed – so it’s unclear how much of the fine Trump actually paid.

 

 

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Daniel Sullivan

A large, gregarious man, with a criminal record and ties to the Mafia, Daniel Sullivan began working for Trump as a “labor consultant.” Later, the pair operated a drywall manufacturing business together that was connected to a racketeering scheme involving the carpenters' union and the Genovese crime family. 

Sullivan also introduced Trump to Kenneth Shapiro, who worked for Philadelphia mobster Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo as their financier and agent, which he and Trump entered into an Atlantic City land-leasing deal with. 

After Trump was advised that Sullivan would hurt his ability to secure a casino license, by the New Jersey's Gaming Enforcement agency, Trump cut ties with Sullivan – though, the two still kept in contact. Trump later offered Sullivan the position of chief labor negotiator at his organization, according to his former “consultant.”

Michael Cohen & Felix Sater

Cohen’s uncle, Morton Levine, ran Brooklyn social club El Caribe, which was frequented by members of Italian-American and Russian-American organized crime families in the 1970s and 1980s. Leaders of the Russian mob, Evsei Agron and Marat Balagula, were known for using the club as their personal office and handled their “business” there for years. 

Cohen also has close ties with Felix Sater, a Russian-born investor, connected to both the New York and Russian mafia, whom Cohen has known since childhood. Sater’s father was also "a reputed capo in the Mogilevich organized crime syndicate," Talking Points Memo reported in 2018. Despite his mob connections, Sater is also said to have been an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigations and an asset for the Central Intelligence Agency. 

Once a stockbroker, Sater lost his license in the 1990s for participating in a mob-linked plot to inflate marginal stocks and unload them onto unsuspecting investors and hiding the profits abroad, The Wall Street Journal reported in 2016. The former broker was convicted of racketeering and sentenced to prison. He also spent time in prison, for slamming the stem of a martini glass into a man’s face during a bar fight.

 

 

He repeatedly accuses other countries being complicit in illegal immigration, when in fact the most troubling part of illegal immigration, the thugs, is facilitated by home grown American organised crime. Its easy to round up illegal immigrants who's only motivation is to find work for their families. Its a lot harder to round up the real criminals.

 

Actually, there is one country deeply embedded with organised crime, Russia.

 

https://globalinitiative.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Mark-Galeotti-Gangsters-at-war-Russias-use-of-organized-crime-as-an-instrument-of-statecraft-GI-TOC-November-2024.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

[WDSmart]

19 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

 

Try reading a dictionary once in awhile.

 

In Webster's Dictionary, "criminal" can refer to a noun (a person who has committed a crime or has been convicted of a crime) or an adjective (having the nature of or involving a crime, or guilty of a crime). 

 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

As a noun:

• A person who has committed a crime, or has been legally convicted of one. 
   
• It can also refer to someone who commits crimes for a living, known as a "career criminal," according to Merriam-Webster. 
   

As an adjective:

• It describes something that is illegal or wrongful, or that is in the nature of a crime. 
   
• It can also be used to describe something that is regrettable or deplorable, according to Collins Dictionary. 
   
• In a legal context, it can refer to matters concerning crime or punishment, according to Collins Dictionary. 

These definitions are for how the term is used parochially or in casual English, BUT...they could apply here too.. 

For example, "A person who has committed a crime, or has been legally convicted of one."  How do YOU know the person has committed a crime unless they've been convicted of it, or you've seen them commit the crime yourself? You don't. Are you taking the word of someone else who's accusing them? In most of the cases we talk about here, the people are called "criminals" so they can be arrested and deported. Also, in the legal use of the word, a person isn't a criminal even if you saw them commit the crime yourself. In our legal process, they are presumed to be innocent, and unless convicted, are not guilty of committing the crime you saw them commit. 

The point here is that to refer to all immigrants as "criminals" just so they can be detained and deported is a very "un-woke" thing to do, and one which I will not tolerate. 

[SLOWHAND225]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

These definitions are for how the term is used parochially or in casual English, BUT...they could apply here too.. 

For example, "A person who has committed a crime, or has been legally convicted of one."  How do YOU know the person has committed a crime unless they've been convicted of it, or you've seen them commit the crime yourself? You don't. Are you taking the word of someone else who's accusing them? In most of the cases we talk about here, the people are called "criminals" so they can be arrested and deported. Also, in the legal use of the word, a person isn't a criminal even if you saw them commit the crime yourself. In our legal process, they are presumed to be innocent, and unless convicted, are not guilty of committing the crime you saw them commit. 

The point here is that to refer to all immigrants as "criminals" just so they can be detained and deported is a very "un-woke" thing to do, and one which I will not tolerate. 

The 2 letters that are bolded explain that they do NOT have to be convicted. If you're not here legally then you are, by definition a criminal.

 

[WDSmart]

23 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

The 2 letters that are bolded explain that they do NOT have to be convicted. If you're not here legally then you are, by definition a criminal.

 

I agree with the "or," but disagree that YOU KNOW FOR SURE whether someone has committed a crime or not unless you see them commit the crime or they have been found guilty. That's like calling someone a rapist or child molester without knowing whether or not they've committed those crimes. I don't believe all these ICE agents have seen any of these immigrants enter the country illegally. If they don't have documents showing they are and claim to be refugees, they are entitled to due process to determine if they are refugees. Refugees are fleeing danger in their home country, and can enter the USA without a visa if they are under threat or duress. If they are, they are entitled to an asylum visa.  So, if they are picked up and don't claim asylum, then they can be deported. If they claim asylum, they have to go through due process to determine their status. That's the "woke way" I see it, anyway. And, I do think a refugee should present himself to immigration AFTER he has entered the country illegally in some reasonable time frame. I think that should be days, maybe 30 days at the most. Some of them, however, may be so worried about people or gangs in their home country finding out where they are now that they put off doing that for way too long, or until they are stopped by ICE.

[Watawattana]

I'll try to look at this from a different angle.  

 

I have stolen something (actually I have not, but bear with me).  That is a criminal act.  

 

But, I have not been tried in court according to due process and found guilty of theft beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

So, am I a criminal?

 

From my point of view of course I am.  I know what I did.  But someone who doesn't know me may think I am not yet a criminal as I'm not convicted?

[Mavideol]

13 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

This happens when you let millions of people in unvetted, during a pandemic no less, with no rational explanation for doing so.

it must be Biden's or the Democrats  fault

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Watawattana said:

I'll try to look at this from a different angle.  

 

I have stolen something (actually I have not, but bear with me).  That is a criminal act.  

 

But, I have not been tried in court according to due process and found guilty of theft beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

So, am I a criminal?

 

From my point of view of course I am.  I know what I did.  But someone who doesn't know me may think I am not yet a criminal as I'm not convicted?

I’ll look at it from your perspective!

Lets  put in a few twists

 

1. Multi millions upon multi millions of

unvetted non citizens don’t steal their way in, they commit offenses ,a crime by crossing illegally as opposed to crossing legally , all of this

coordinated with the help of Biden& a willing administration and their NGO’s.

 

“8U.S.C. § 1325 outlines criminal offenses related to an alien's improper entry into the United States, including marriage fraud and commercial enterprise fraud for immigration purposes. It also covers offenses like entering at an unauthorized time or place, eluding inspection, and making false statements or concealing facts to gain entry”.

 

A very powerful group of leftest (ACLU)activists have/had figured out a way to 

make other past administrations efforts at deportation become questionable, by claiming due process.

https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/violation-constitution-obama-deporting-asylum-seekers-without

 

The second twist apply for asylum at a legal port of entry !

[KhaoHom]

15 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Brutal Murder of Israeli Businessman in Los Angeles Tied to Illegal Immigrants — One Freed by Sanctuary City

 

The harrowing murder of an Israeli businessman in Los Angeles has shed light on growing concerns over immigration enforcement and sanctuary city policies. Authorities say that three men accused of brutally killing 47-year-old Alexander Modebadze in his home are all illegal immigrants from Georgia, one of whom was previously released by a sanctuary city despite a federal detainer request.

 

According to the Los Angeles Police Department, Modebadze was held captive for hours in his own residence before being savagely beaten to death. The suspects — Pata Kochiashvili, Zaza Otarashvili, and Besiki Khutsishvili — have been arrested and charged with murder. Each of them is now being held on $2 million bail, and federal immigration detainers have been placed on all three.

 

Details have emerged revealing how the men entered and remained in the United States. Otarashvili and Khutsishvili crossed the southern border illegally during the Biden administration. Otarashvili was detained by border agents after illegally entering near Yuma, Arizona, on July 3, 2022. He was released soon afterward and instructed to report to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office in New York, which he did about three weeks later. At that appointment, he was given another date a year out, which he failed to attend. He submitted an asylum application in October 2022, but his court hearing was cancelled for unknown reasons.

 

 

Khutsishvili entered through San Luis, Arizona, on March 18, 2022. After being transferred to ICE, he was released 12 days later on a $3,000 immigration bond. He initially told officials he planned to move to New York, where he filed an asylum application. He later informed the immigration court of his intention to relocate to Van Nuys, California. His next hearing isn’t scheduled until 2028.

 

Kochiashvili’s immigration history traces back even further. He entered the U.S. legally as a tourist on October 8, 2017, but was required to leave by April 2018 — a deadline he ignored. He later applied for asylum, though his case never led to his removal. In September 2020, he was arrested by the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department in West Hollywood for burglary, but the case was dropped due to lack of evidence. Federal authorities filed a detainer the day after his arrest, yet local officials released him anyway. He was arrested again in August 2022 in Palmdale for marijuana cultivation, a case that remains pending. Again, ICE filed a detainer the next day, and once more, it was ignored.

 

In a chilling twist, hours after Modebadze’s body was discovered, police found another Israeli businessman, Meni Hidhra — the brother of a prison warden in Israel — murdered in his home in the same neighborhood. The Jewish Journal reported on the second killing, which, although similarly brutal, appears to be unrelated to the Modebadze case. Authorities are currently seeking a Hispanic male suspect, believed to be between 30 and 40 years old, in connection to Hidhra’s death.

 

As investigations continue, the case has stirred political debate over immigration policies and sanctuary jurisdictions. The release of individuals with prior arrests despite ICE detainers has become a focal point of criticism, especially in light of violent crimes like this.

 

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Bet he voted Harris. Oh well 👍

[dinsdale]

10 hours ago, WDSmart said:

The problem between the "woke" (my) and "non-woke" (MAGA Supporters) on this topic, and a lot of topics, stems from the use of certain words or terms. In this case, it's "criminals."

I define "criminal" as someone who's been charged with and convicted of a crime using a due process of the law.

• If someone has just been charged, they have the right to due process, so a trial date is set.
  • If they are not considered a flight risk or a risk to the community, they will be released on bond (which could be zero dollars) and given a trial date.
  • If they are considered a flight risk or a risk to the community, they will be imprisoned until the trial date.
  • If they are found guilty, they will be sentenced. THEN, THEY ARE A CRIMINAL
    • When someone has been convicted, then they have, or soon will be, given a sentence, which could, on one extreme, include imprisonment, a fine, or, on the other extreme, could just be scolded and released.
    • If the accused is here on a visa, they could also be deported back to their country of origin.
    • If the accused is here but has no visa and claims asylum, they could then be told to go through the immigration due process to determine if their claim of asylum is legitimate.
      • If it is, they would then get an asylum visa.
      • If their claim for asylum is denied, then they should be deported back to their country of origin.
  • If they are found not guilty, they will be released.

The "non-woke" (MAGA Supporters) define "criminal" as:

• Anyone charged with a crime.
• Anyone here on a visa who is SUSPECTED of committing a crime, is non-White, and not a native English-speaker.
• Anyone here without a valid visa.
• Anyone demonstrating against the Zionist takeover of Palestine.
• Basically, anyone who disagrees with them.
   

So, I say the problem here again is how the "woke" and "non-woke" differ in their use of the word "criminal." And this is also the case in many, maybe most, of the disagreements between these two groups.

Complete rubbish. A criminal is someone who has committed a crime. Simple as. 

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I agree with the "or," but disagree that YOU KNOW FOR SURE whether someone has committed a crime or not unless you see them commit the crime or they have been found guilty. That's like calling someone a rapist or child molester without knowing whether or not they've committed those crimes. I don't believe all these ICE agents have seen any of these immigrants enter the country illegally. If they don't have documents showing they are and claim to be refugees, they are entitled to due process to determine if they are refugees. Refugees are fleeing danger in their home country, and can enter the USA without a visa if they are under threat or duress. If they are, they are entitled to an asylum visa.  So, if they are picked up and don't claim asylum, then they can be deported. If they claim asylum, they have to go through due process to determine their status. That's the "woke way" I see it, anyway. And, I do think a refugee should present himself to immigration AFTER he has entered the country illegally in some reasonable time frame. I think that should be days, maybe 30 days at the most. Some of them, however, may be so worried about people or gangs in their home country finding out where they are now that they put off doing that for way too long, or until they are stopped by ICE.

These guys aren't "refugees". They are illegals. They are also murders. These guys WON'T be getting deported. How you can actually come up with some leftie diatribe about this is beyond common sense.

[NativeBob]

Kinda misleading. What I see is 3 georgian gangsters broke into some georgian guy's house and probably tried to extort money from him, He didn't cooperate and died from deadly wounds caused by torture. Likely they were hired, which is very common. 

[radiochaser]

13 hours ago, WDSmart said:

The problem between the "woke" (my) and "non-woke" (MAGA Supporters) on this topic, and a lot of topics, stems from the use of certain words or terms. In this case, it's "criminals."

I define "criminal" as someone who's been charged with and convicted of a crime using a due process of the law.

• If someone has just been charged, they have the right to due process, so a trial date is set.
  • If they are not considered a flight risk or a risk to the community, they will be released on bond (which could be zero dollars) and given a trial date.
  • If they are considered a flight risk or a risk to the community, they will be imprisoned until the trial date.
  • If they are found guilty, they will be sentenced. THEN, THEY ARE A CRIMINAL
    • When someone has been convicted, then they have, or soon will be, given a sentence, which could, on one extreme, include imprisonment, a fine, or, on the other extreme, could just be scolded and released.
    • If the accused is here on a visa, they could also be deported back to their country of origin.
    • If the accused is here but has no visa and claims asylum, they could then be told to go through the immigration due process to determine if their claim of asylum is legitimate.
      • If it is, they would then get an asylum visa.
      • If their claim for asylum is denied, then they should be deported back to their country of origin.
  • If they are found not guilty, they will be released.

The "non-woke" (MAGA Supporters) define "criminal" as:

• Anyone charged with a crime.
• Anyone here on a visa who is SUSPECTED of committing a crime, is non-White, and not a native English-speaker.
• Anyone here without a valid visa.
• Anyone demonstrating against the Zionist takeover of Palestine.
• Basically, anyone who disagrees with them.
   

So, I say the problem here again is how the "woke" and "non-woke" differ in their use of the word "criminal." And this is also the case in many, maybe most, of the disagreements between these two groups.

Both as an active duty Federal Agent and as a retired Federal Agent, it is my understanding that, anyone that commits a violation of a criminal law, is a criminal, regardless of whether or not they have been charged with violation of that criminal law.

 

 

[Pouatchee]

9 hours ago, WDSmart said:

The point here is that to refer to all immigrants as "criminals" just so they can be detained and deported is a very "un-woke" thing to do, and one which I will not tolerate. 

 

Wow, delusions of grandeur much? 

Who died and left you king?

 

9 hours ago, WDSmart said:

How do YOU know the person has committed a crime unless they've been convicted of it

 

Right, so if 10 people saw someone murder another person, according to your argument, the murderer is not a criminal until he faces his day in court?

 

As for immigrants, they are illegal if they did not come in through a legal means. But I guess that you, Sir Wokabusybody, will disagree with this just for the sake of arguing.