Putin Proposes Renewed Peace Talks with Ukraine Amid International Pressure

[BLMFem]

5 minutes ago, connda said:

 

It's either the epitome of sarcasm or stupidity. Yet from a propaganda standpoint, expect the anti-Russia war-hawks to repeat "Russian is losing and Putin knows Russia has already lost" every chance possible. Gotta convince the low-information clones that Russian missiles made out of North Korean washing machines aren't doing their job.

Anti-Russian war hawks? Is that Putin apologist speak for those who oppose the Russian war of aggression and want Ukraine to succeed in defending themselves from the murderous orcs?

 

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Putin doesn't want peace.

Putin wants Ukraine.

This is just another round of game playing for propaganda purposes.

Putin wants parts of Ukraine not all of it. Zelensky doesn't want him to have it. Militarily Ukraine cannot win. The position of power in any negotiations/bargaining lies with Putin. This is a fact. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, dinsdale said:

Putin wants parts of Ukraine not all of it. Zelensky doesn't want him to have it. Militarily Ukraine cannot win. The position of power in any negotiations/bargaining lies with Putin. This is a fact. 

No, that's totally wrong!

It's impossible to have a rational conversation with anyone who actually believes that Putin's goals are not MAXIMALIST. He wants to completely erase the sovereignty of Ukraine. Such people are either clueless or actively helping Putin spread his lies.

As far as "cards" as the vulgar moron Trump says, both Ukraine and Russia have cards.

Putin recently overplayed his hand and he's trying to recover from that.

[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No, that's totally wrong!

It's impossible to have a rational conversation with anyone who actually believes that Putin's goals are not MAXIMALIST. He wants to completely erase the sovereignty of Ukraine. Such people are either clueless or actively helping Putin spread his lies.

As far as "cards" as the vulgar moron Trump says, both Ukraine and Russia have cards.

Putin recently overplayed his hand and he's trying to recover from that.

putin has said the Ukraine in Nato was a red line, he said this years ago, dont you think if he really wanted to, as you hysterically say 'He wants to completely erase the sovereignty of Ukraine' why wait 20yrs?you keep on lapping up that propaganda  without questioning anything, if russia doesnt have any cards then how come they occupy 25% of Ukraine. time to wake up from your bubble

[MicroB]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

Common sense 101 says that you take your own translators, otherwise you will only get told what the interpreters have been told to tell you, which may well not be what you need to hear.

 

Its not so much that, but there is no State Department  employee who could be called to recount under oath to recount what was said. I suspect the Russian translators will give an accurate translation to the American interlocateur. But there s no official transcript about what was said, or promises made.

[MicroB]

On 5/11/2025 at 9:06 PM, frank83628 said:

putin has said the Ukraine in Nato was a red line

 

It has never been up to him what free nations want to do.

 

This is something the apologists either forget to mention, or don't understand.

[MicroB]

38 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Putin wants parts of Ukraine not all of it. Zelensky doesn't want him to have it. Militarily Ukraine cannot win. The position of power in any negotiations/bargaining lies with Putin. This is a fact. 

 

 

And Russia will never be able to control or profit from the areas it occupies.

 

https://neweasterneurope.eu/2025/05/06/anti-colonial-hybrid-defence-how-ukraines-resistance-fights-in-the-occupied-territories/

 

https://english.nv.ua/russian-war/three-years-of-yellow-ribbon-ukraine-s-nonviolent-partisans-keep-resisting-russian-occupation-50509857.html

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-atesh-railways-blow-luhansk-2064737

 

https://www.rusi.org/podcasts/rusi-journal-radio/episode-9-resistance-networks-and-total-defence

 

 

The Soviets thought it was probably a done deal when theyn rolled into the Baltic states. For 50 years, the Baltic peoples never gave up, despite Moscow trying to stuff their countries with colonists (just like what Putin is now doing). You think the Baltic people should have given up, because militarily nothing was going to shift the wicked Soviet government's forces.

 

 

https://www.thebalticway.eu/en/history/

 

 

 

[frank83628]

On 5/11/2025 at 9:28 PM, MicroB said:

 

It has never been up to him what free nations want to do.

 

This is something the apologists either forget to mention, or don't understand.

 

 

Guess you are purposely ignoring the verbal agreements made back in the 90's regarding nato expansion.

 

 

 

[connda]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Why is it bait? You said remove the problem and the problem is Putin? Someone will replace him. You're just calling my post "bait" because it's something you have no answer to. Awaiting your usual deflection response.

Yeah - Dmitry Medvedev.  Be careful what you wish for Jing. Medvedev makes Putin sound like a dove.

[Tug]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

And what if Putin was replaced by an even more hardliner? What then? 

What if putin was replaced with someone who endorsed democracy and Russia rejoined the world trading peacefully and thriving improving the lives of her people???

[Tug]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Putin wants parts of Ukraine not all of it. Zelensky doesn't want him to have it. Militarily Ukraine cannot win. The position of power in any negotiations/bargaining lies with Putin. This is a fact. 

You are mistaken he wants to return to the old Soviet post ww2 borders and more access to ice free ports.

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Putin wants parts of Ukraine not all of it. Zelensky doesn't want him to have it. Militarily Ukraine cannot win. The position of power in any negotiations/bargaining lies with Putin. This is a fact. 

Confused again. It's your opinion, far from a fact.

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Putin doesn't want peace.

Putin wants Ukraine.

This is just another round of game playing for propaganda purposes.

and he still agreed to the 30 day cease fire, he's playing Trump and the orange guy doesn't see it. Putin just wants to play around and pretend he wants talks but that's not the purpose of the proposed meeting, it's just to get more and more delays as usual, not the slightest intention of negotiating anything, the EU and USA should just impose the sanctions and then Putin will see they are serious, if they don't do it he will keep playing them

Ukraine President agrees meeting with Putin this week

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/ukraine-president-agrees-meeting-with-putin-this-week/ar-AA1EzK1j?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=095430c145ec4274908f442f9a11f501&ei=15

 

[Mavideol]

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The ONLY way Putin actually seriously negotiates is if he's FORCED to.

 

My take is that he needs to be forced MUCH HARDER for there to be any hope of that.

 

 

he has never been interested in anything leading to peace, he's only goal is to fool the west and mostly to play Trump, if he did had any intention of talks or negotiations he would have accepted the offer, instead to play Trump and later blame Zelensky if  no deal is made his asking/proposed to meet Zelensky, just another diversion nothing else

 

Putin stays silent on ceasefire and offers ‘direct talks’ with Ukraine in Istanbul

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/africa/top-stories/putin-stays-silent-on-ceasefire-and-offers-direct-talks-with-ukraine-in-istanbul/ar-AA1ExBLd?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=095430c145ec4274908f442f9a11f501&ei=23

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

31 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

he has never been interested in anything leading to peace, he's only goal is to fool the west and mostly to play Trump, if he did had any intention of talks or negotiations he would have accepted the offer, instead to play Trump and later blame Zelensky if  no deal is made his asking/proposed to meet Zelensky, just another diversion nothing else

 

Putin stays silent on ceasefire and offers ‘direct talks’ with Ukraine in Istanbul

 

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/africa/top-stories/putin-stays-silent-on-ceasefire-and-offers-direct-talks-with-ukraine-in-istanbul/ar-AA1ExBLd?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=095430c145ec4274908f442f9a11f501&ei=23

 

 

 

 

Yes, a very sad situation indeed. Both from Putin and from his persistent poodle Trump.

 

 

[ChicagoExpat]

On 5/11/2025 at 9:48 PM, frank83628 said:

Guess you are purposely ignoring the verbal agreements made back in the 90's regarding nato expansion.

Guess you're forgetting the ACTUAL formal, written, ratified agreement Russia made with Ukraine to never violate its territorial sovereignty in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nukes.  IF ONLY Ukraine still had them, none of Russia's 3 invasions would have occurred... wishful thinking.

[ChicagoExpat]

On 5/11/2025 at 8:36 PM, connda said:

A 30 day ceasefire only benefits Ukraine which is why Ukraine and the EU "demands" a 30 day ceasefire.
Basically they don't what negotiations, they want time to rearm and retrench.  Even Polymarket doesn't see a 30 day ceasefire happening.  Negotiations can happen tomorrow or next week.  But that's not what Ukraine and NATO want.  Russia knows this.  Which is why they keeps stating that negotiations can happen immediately.  Ukraine wants to rearm and retrench which is why they will they refuse negotiations and push for a 30 day ceasefire.  Bottom line - neither ceasefire or negotiations will happen anytime soon.

 

30 days isn't long enough to "rearm and retrench", and even if it were, Russia could be doing the same.  And a ceasefire is pretty much ALWAYS a prelude to negotiations.  Suprised you don't know that... but then, you do support Russia, and you'll only be fed what Russia wants to slurp down.

[ChicagoExpat]

On 5/11/2025 at 6:57 PM, frank83628 said:

 

And? Unless you are able ton speak all the worlds languages what do you expect to do?

You use a translator.

Yes.  You use a translator.  YOUR OWN TRANSLATOR, not one provided by your opponent.  You really are a child, Frank.

[frank83628]

24 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yes.  You use a translator.  YOUR OWN TRANSLATOR, not one provided by your opponent.  You really are a child, Frank.

 I am not the one throwing tantrums at everything i read about Trump or Putin.

As usual this story is from 'anonymous sources'. Despite that its another non story by the derange anti trump media.

Was anything going to be signed in these alleged meetings?

If so, do you actually think a genuine scenario would be that something would be signed based of what non US interpreter said, without any checks, transcripts and verification? Think logically and use your brain 

[connda]

On 5/11/2025 at 8:50 PM, dinsdale said:

Putin wants parts of Ukraine not all of it. Zelensky doesn't want him to have it. Militarily Ukraine cannot win. The position of power in any negotiations/bargaining lies with Putin. This is a fact. 

The goal of the US, Europe, and NATO have been the strategic defeat of Russia, the overthrow of the Russia government, and the breakup of Russia into balkanized regions that are controlled by Western proxies.  Which is the purpose of pushing NATO right up against the Russian border while screaming about "Russian aggression."  Read foreign policy papers by RAND Corp think-tanks and authors who are members of the Council on Foreign Relations and publish these screeds in Foreign Affairs magazine, or read neo-cons like Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger - it's right there in plain sight.  And we are supposed to believe that the US wouldn't have any problems with a military force comprised of Russia, China, and Latin American countries pushing right up against the United States and spewing belligerent rhetoric toward the US.  The US and the West want to "rule the world" and rule it by force and coercion. The rest of the world wants to trade and to have their trading partners stay out of their domestic affairs. 

All Ukraine is is a battering ram aimed at Russia.  The rhetoric about negotiations being dependent only if Russia agrees to a ceasefire is the same ploy as the previous Minsk agreements which were never implemented and were later revealed by Holland and Merkel as being used to arm and equip Ukraine forces for an assault on Eastern (Russian speaking) Ukraine.  Then again in March 2022 when the EU convinced Russia to pull Russian troops from Kiev in order to show good faith for the Istanbul accords which Boris Johnson was send to blow up in April 2022.  If anyone thinks that Russia is going to accept a "ceasefire" for any reason and for any length of time before a comprehensive peace agreement is signed, well they're snorting some pretty good stuff.  And if a peace accord is signed, how long before NATO is rearming Ukraine.  I see one of two outcomes: an unconditional surrender by Ukraine or World War 3 with NATO driving their forces East toward Moscow...again...like they haven't learned how that turned out in the past.  Hey?  Third time's a charm, 'eh?

Too much of the US and EU economies are built on selling weapons and promoting war.  There is no profits in peace.  And if peace begins to happen, the West is right there building conflicts and creating enemies which need to be overthrown and countries sanctioned - it never, ever ends.

Will there be an negotiated end to the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine?  I doubt it.  The EU and UK "leaders" want war with Russia, they come right out and state it.  They want that strategic overthrow of Russia that they know they can't accomplish it by themselves, so they want Big Daddy USA to do it for them.  Boots on the ground and forever war until Russia is defeated and broken up and divided among the NATO victors.  Sniff some more of that Ukrainian Marching Powder and maybe the war fairies will grant your wishes.
I expect Russia to keep marching toward the Dnieper River and carving out defacto buffer zones in Western Ukraine, all while the EU/UK growls and the US threatens.  I fully expect this to evolve into a full-fledged World War with the West on the wrong side of history.  No problem, the West is good at rewriting history - they already have the script for WW3 written with Russia, China, Iran, and the DPRK (among a host of others in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and Latin America) as the villains whose "aggression must be stopped at any cost."  Get the Western Gen-Z cannon fodder ready.  <Que Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome> "Ladies and gentleman; boys and girls... Dying time's here!"

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

 I am not the one throwing tantrums at everything i read about Trump or Putin.

As usual this story is from 'anonymous sources'. Despite that its another non story by the derange anti trump media.

Was anything going to be signed in these alleged meetings?

If so, do you actually think a genuine scenario would be that something would be signed based of what non US interpreter said, without any checks, transcripts and verification? Think logically and use your brain 

Dude, you're so daft on this, it's incredible.  It doesn't matter if something is being signed or not.  Your entire understanding of what is happening depends on your adversary is telling you.  Is THAT responsible governance?  Is THAT smart diplomacy?  I get it -- you worship the ground Trump walks on... but it's OK to admit even your hero gets it wrong sometimes.

[frank83628]

20 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Dude, you're so daft on this, it's incredible.  It doesn't matter if something is being signed or not.  Your entire understanding of what is happening depends on your adversary is telling you.  Is THAT responsible governance?  Is THAT smart diplomacy?  I get it -- you worship the ground Trump walks on... but it's OK to admit even your hero gets it wrong sometimes.

I can't be arsed to cntinue this, there is no verification any of this even happened, Its just another BS clain by the msm,

Once again its anonymous sources and no verification.

 

 

[frank83628]

30 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Why not? Putin has ignored lots of agreements, most of them signed by himself. It's time for Putin to exit the stage (and preferably this world) and the orcs to return to the barracks in Russia. They certainly don't wanna be in Ukraine murdering women and children anyway.

 

PS. Extremely childish and dishonest of you to blow the font sized up the way you did.

Putin isn't going anywhere, you should learn that, might help you sleep.

[ChicagoExpat]

27 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I can't be arsed to cntinue this, there is no verification any of this even happened, Its just another BS clain by the msm,

Once again its anonymous sources and no verification.

Do the bare minimum and do your own search.  Putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring any information that doesn't conform to your standards is a really bad way to go through life.  Yes, this stuff matters.  Claiming "IT'S ALL AN MSM CONSPIRACY" when the truth is obvious not only makes you look like the dumbest guy on aseannow, it's exactly what the Biden people did.  Karma WILL catch up to both you and your party...

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Do the bare minimum and do your own search.  Putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring any information that doesn't conform to your standards is a really bad way to go through life.  Yes, this stuff matters.  Claiming "IT'S ALL AN MSM CONSPIRACY" when the truth is obvious not only makes you look like the dumbest guy on aseannow, it's exactly what the Biden people did.  Karma WILL catch up to both you and your party...

When a claim from an MSM outlet uses 'anonymous sources', 'people with knowledge of' or 'insiders said' it gives zero credit to the aritcle, put a name to the sources otherwise its unverifiable BS.

Karma is catchin up to liticia James... hopefully some more too.

 

  

[ChicagoExpat]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Putin would need to have an interpreter for Bidens mumbling.

That would be preferable to a Florida real estate agent going in to negotiate with Putin on his own.  

[Eric Loh]

Just now, ChicagoExpat said:

That would be preferable to a Florida real estate agent going in to negotiate with Putin on his own.  

It will be a challenge to keep Trump awake in the negotiation. 

[frank83628]

38 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

That would be preferable to a Florida real estate agent going in to negotiate with Putin on his own.  

*Allegedly 

[ChicagoExpat]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

*Allegedly 

Nothing alleged about it, Frank.  Trump does this too -- he'll go into meetings without key staff any other President would know he needs.  An example, which is NOT alleged as I know a few of the people involved -- when Trump met with Putin in Helsinki, he specifically excluded his own U.S. Ambassador to Russia, Jon Huntsman, who was both a subject matter expert, Trump's personal representative to Moscow, and a Russian speaker.

 

This would be troubling for any President to do, but Trump knows no foreign languages, knows nothing about foreign policy, knows nothing about the world outside of Manhattan real estate, and is brimming with unmerited self-confidence.  It's a failure of leadership and ethics on an astonishing level, and undermines his agenda.

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Nothing alleged about it, Frank.  Trump does this too -- he'll go into meetings without key staff any other President would know he needs.  An example, which is NOT alleged as I know a few of the people involved -- when Trump met with Putin in Helsinki, he specifically excluded his own U.S. Ambassador to Russia, Jon Huntsman, who was both a subject matter expert, Trump's personal representative to Moscow, and a Russian speaker.

 

This would be troubling for any President to do, but Trump knows no foreign languages, knows nothing about foreign policy, knows nothing about the world outside of Manhattan real estate, and is brimming with unmerited self-confidence.  It's a failure of leadership and ethics on an astonishing level, and undermines his agenda.

<deleted>s getting done though isn't it, despite how much you all lose your minds over it.

Trump can hold his own, that's why he doesn't need people in every meeting, which is the polar opposite to Biden or Harris, You just don't like way he does things.