Trump Mocks France Over WWII Commemorations, Urges Greater U.S. Recognition

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

The draft is immoral.     Sorry, Clinton dodged the draft. 

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford. His initial deferment was therefore legitimate.  He volunteered to join the ROTC when he returned to the USA and also registered for the draft. In October 1969, Clinton had his number drawn in the draft lottery. Because his number was so high, he was not called into service.  All of this is established fact. This was far more of an effort to serve  than what Trump did.

[findlay13]

17 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

Poor Don; he knows about the art of the deal; but his knowledge of WWII seems highly distorted and/or inadequate.

He doesn't even know the art of the deal. Bully someone then back off a bit is his only tactic.And I get sick of saying this. I have no special love for them but If the French, who were led by totally incompetent morons,hadn't fought so hard in 1940 ,Half the Brits would have never got off the beach at Dunkirk.

[Mike_Hunt]

15 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford. His initial deferment was therefore legitimate.  He volunteered to join the ROTC when he returned to the USA and also registered for the draft. In October 1969, Clinton had his number drawn in the draft lottery. Because his number was so high, he was not called into service.  All of this is established fact. This was far more of an effort to serve  than what Trump did.

He went to college and did not serve his country. 

[Mike_Hunt]

22 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

It does not. The US presence in Europe in WWII had a lot to do the war with Japan and Germany's declaration of war on the USA, than it did with "saving" Europe.  The Axis  considered the USA  far more  of an enemy state than Great Britain. Churchill was a known anti communist. The USA was more  accommodating of Stalin and his nation of thugs.

 

The  modern European reliance on the USA arises from the USA's  insistence that Germany not rebuild its military. The USA  used Europe as a buffer against Russian expansionism. The US military bases were imposed on Italy and Germany and were to the benefit of US foreign policy.  Times  have obviously changed, but up until the early 2000's US policy was to make  Europe dependent on the USA. This allowed for ease of military sales.

 

There was a time when the USA was a world leader. It led the way with entrepreneurship, of showcasing  freedom and liberty, the rule of law and of scientific and technological  advancement. That era has ended and now we see the gradual collapse of the  American Empire. I didn't think I would see it  in my lifetime, but all good things come to an end as they say.

 

Stop being butt hurt.  It was not for the USA, Europe would be conquered.  

[bannork]

8 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

I have no problem with people dodging the draft.  The draft is immortal. 

 

[MicroB]

4 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

He went to college and did not serve his country. 

 

Every President serves their country.

[Bday Prang]

14 hours ago, Ricardo said:

In fact that series is still being re-run, on UK-TV, very funny !  

not on the BBC it aint

[MarkBR]

18 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The US was involved before Pearl Harbor just hadn't officially  declared war. You obviously do not know your history regarding WWII. I suggest you research the the Atlantic  convoy crossings going from the US to the UK and the "lend lease" program. It is true that Pearl Harbor was the catalyst for the US declaring war on Japan and then Germany but it's equally as true to say the US were already involved. BTW The World at War a 26 part series narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier is IMHO the definitive WW II documentary.  

Watched every episode when young, compelling & at times horrific.

[Yagoda]

17 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The World at War is a fantastic 26 part documentary about WWII. T

TV. Nuff said

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

TV. Nuff said

In a sense I get your point.

 

I’m still waiting for you to share your first hand account of your part in the victory in Europe during WW2, straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

Every President serves their country.

Historically speaking that has been the case.

[Yagoda]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

I’m still waiting for you to share your first hand account of your part in the victory in Europe during WW2, straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Im still waiting for you to post something intelligent and non trolling. Gonna be a while.

[Yagoda]

35 minutes ago, MarkBR said:

Watched every episode when young, compelling & at times horrific.

But no reading list? Just TV?

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

TV. Nuff said

doc·u·men·ta·ry

/ˌdäkyəˈment(ə)rē,ˌdäkyəˈmenərē/

noun

a movie or a television or radio program that provides a factual record or report.

Nuff said.

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

But no reading list? Just TV?

It's very sad that you find a need to argue against something you have quite obviously never seen. 

 

[Yagoda]

Just now, dinsdale said:

doc·u·men·ta·ry

/ˌdäkyəˈment(ə)rē,ˌdäkyəˈmenərē/

noun

a movie or a television or radio program that provides a factual record or report.

Nuff said.

So therefore, you contend that a visual TV documentary will give the student the same detail, nuances, sources that one can obtain in a well researched and written book on the subject?

[Yagoda]

Just now, dinsdale said:

It's very sad that you find a need to argue against something you have quite obviously never seen. 

Bet you I watched it before you did, flamer. It was excellent, as an introductionary overview.

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So therefore, you contend that a visual TV documentary will give the student the same detail, nuances, sources that one can obtain in a well researched and written book on the subject?

Did I say that? NO. I said IMO it's the definitive documentary series of WWII. Stop being obstinate. As for detail and nuances you have no right to this opinion unless you have seen the series which as I said above you obviously haven't.

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Bet you I watched it before you did, flamer. It was excellent, as an introductionary overview.

I watched it when it was 1st released in 1973. I'm currently watching it again. As for an overview this is in part correct but it's a bloody good one and of course one can go to other documentaries for specific topics within the war. Battle of Midway for a naval battle, Battle of Kursk for a tank battle, Battle of Stalingrad ........... etc. etc. 

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Did I say that? NO. I said IMO it's the definitive documentary series of WWII. Stop being obstinate. As for detail and nuances you have no right to this opinion unless you have seen the series which as I said above you obviously haven't.

LOL, sport I have used that series as a teaching aid for the recent generation of illiterate students. They have their reading list based on the episodes where appropriate. Want it?

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

LOL, sport I have used that series as a teaching aid for the recent generation of illiterate students. They have their reading list based on the episodes where appropriate. Want it?

Yes. Post it on here. Looking forward to seeing it.