Starmer’s Brexit Reset: A Strategic Shift or a Sacrifice?

[Bannoi]

Brexit is done finished it was very divisive now its time to move on make the most of it and try to repair the damage it has done.

 

The Brexit vote whilst having a majority was far from decisive there are a lot of people now who feel they were conned. 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

Brexit is done finished it was very divisive now its time to move on make the most of it and try to repair the damage it has done.

 

The Brexit vote whilst having a majority was far from decisive there are a lot of people now who feel they were conned. 

Absolutely, and as I observed a couple of weeks back, Trump’s attack on the UK economy (cheered on by a number of the forum’s Brexit supporters) made the UK drawing closer to the EU an inevitable necessity.

 

The EU is Britain’s largest and closest trading partner, it makes absolute sense to remove trading barriers.

 

 

[The Cyclist]

5 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

and try to repair the damage it has done.

 

Could you list some of those damages ?
 

6 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

there are a lot of people now who feel they were conned. 

 

Are you talking about the UK electorate after the last GE.

 

Not much left in the UK that are not united in their utter disdain and disgust at Starmer and the Labour Party.

[Bannoi]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

The UK is Britain’s largest and closest trading partner, it makes absolute sense to remove trading barriers.

 

 

I think you meant the EU is Britains closest trading partner 🙂

[GanDoonToonPet]

2 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

I think you meant the EU is Britains closest trading partner 🙂

 

Exactly! People talk as if this is a one-way thing, as if the EU are giving us a present. I agree that a trade deal that creates a level playing across the whole of Europe is a good thing. What this has to do with fishing rights is beyond me.

[RayC]

31 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

We told you hundreds of times what it should look like. You just don't listen, then claim nobody spoke. 😃

 

Make it 100s+1 please. I promise to pay very close attention this time.

 

What does this ideal Brexit look like?

Why is it beneficial for the UK public? In what ways is it an improvement on the current 'oven ready' deal (or being in the EU)?

How is it going to be achieved?

What's the timescales for reaping the benefits ?

 

Thanks in advance.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

I think you meant the EU is Britains closest trading partner 🙂

I did, thanks for the correction.

[BLMFem]

39 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

When did the UK become a banana republic? 🤔

 

For many outsiders it seems the date was the 23rd of June, 2016.

[The Cyclist]

5 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

What this has to do with fishing rights is beyond me.

 

Because the EU's fishing grounds have been raped to death and they needed access to UK waters.

 

A sensible person would have identified the Kerching moment swimming about in UK fishing waters and said - Let's talk about a deal where we sell you fish.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Because the EU's fishing grounds have been raped to death and they needed access to UK waters.

 

A sensible person would have identified the Kerching moment swimming about in UK fishing waters and said - Let's talk about a deal where we sell you fish.

Under this deal British fishermen can sell their catch to EU customers without the delays due to import checks introduced by Brexit.

 

No delays, fresher fish, higher prices.

 

Removing barriers to trade helps British fishermen trade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[newbee2022]

49 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

You don't even know his name .... absolutely hilarious, most embarrassing comment on here so far this year.

 

 

Change your name: ridiculous pilgrim?

And start your pilgrimage.....far away please. One way. You're the laughing stock every day. Congrats 😂🤗🥰

[The Cyclist]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Under this deal British fishermen can sell their catch to EU customers without the delays due to import checks introduced by Brexit.

 

No delays, fresher fish, higher prices.

 

Removing barriers to trade helps British fishermen trade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UK fisherman do not appear to agree with you.

 

I wonder who would know best, You or UK Fishermen.

 

Here is the reality of what you and Labour think is a good deal

 

The UK and the EU have agreed to co-operate further on a "youth experience scheme" - but this will be subject to further negotiations

British holidaymakers will be able to use e-gates at more European airports - although it is not yet clear when this will come into force

Meanwhile, National Farmers’ Union president Tom Bradshaw says it was not yet clear what UK rules and regulations would have to be aligned with the EU’s.'

SKS has made solid concessions concerning continued fishing access for 12 years' in exchange for well, further talks. 

At a glance the optics look terrible, which is one of capitulation to the EU.

 

In plain English, it means been shafted sans lube 

 

* And that has no relation to alleged rent boys.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

20 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Change your name: ridiculous pilgrim?

And start your pilgrimage.....far away please. One way. You're the laughing stock every day. Congrats 😂🤗🥰

 

Time for you to put the shovel down and stop embarrassing yourself.

Didn’t even know the name of the Prime Minister of the UK …. ha ha ha haha ha 

 

 

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Well done Starmer, but why so overly cautious about allowing freedom of movement for young people?  

[RayC]

24 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Because the EU's fishing grounds have been raped to death and they needed access to UK waters.

 

A sensible person would have identified the Kerching moment swimming about in UK fishing waters and said - Let's talk about a deal where we sell you fish.

 

I agree that Europe's fishing grounds (including the UK's) have been raped to death. This is reflected in the decline in importance of fishing as an industry Europe-wide, something that has been happening since the mid-90s. Whether this decline can (or should) be reversed is probably a question for a separate thread.

 

The fishing industry's importance in EU-UK negotiations - both now and  previously - is completely out of proportion to its' economic significance. That fishing rights are an issue is solely down to the influence of the French and Spanish. Why the other EU member states have been so acquiescence in this matter is a mystery to me, given that fishing contributes an insignificant 0.06% to the EU's GDP (0.4% to the UK's).

 

Imo the UK has been quite shrewd in using fisheries as a bargaining chip in these negotiations e.g. you want fishing rights, we want reduced phytosanitary checks. I accept that there will be further damage to what's left of the UK's fishing industry, but imo it is a price worth paying given what we have got in return.

[The Cyclist]

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

Imo the UK has been quite shrewd in using fisheries as a bargaining chip in these negotiations e.g. you want fishing rights, we want reduced phytosanitary checks. I accept that there will be further damage to what's left of the UK's fishing industry, but imo it is a price worth paying given what we have got in return.

 

See my post above, copied here

 

The UK and the EU have agreed to co-operate further on a "youth experience scheme" - but this will be subject to further negotiations

British holidaymakers will be able to use e-gates at more European airports - although it is not yet clear when this will come into force

Meanwhile, National Farmers’ Union president Tom Bradshaw says it was not yet clear what UK rules and regulations would have to be aligned with the EU’s.'
 

 

The UK, at this stage, has not got anything in return.

[newbee2022]

21 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Time for you to put the shovel down and stop embarrassing yourself.

Didn’t even know the name of the Prime Minister of the UK …. ha ha ha haha ha 

 

 

 

 

I don't know what? Do you have your own PM? Where are you living? Alice's Wonderland? Are you one of those? A hatter?🥰

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Change your name: ridiculous pilgrim?

And start your pilgrimage.....far away please. One way. You're the laughing stock every day. Congrats 😂🤗🥰

 

Pot kettle sooty

[Stocky]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

If its such a good deal why is Starmer giving £360 million investment into coastal communities to help help soften the blow?

 

The deal Johnson did would have finished in 2028, its now in place till 2038!

 

You need to convince real fishermen, fishing communities and fishing bodies, they are not as easily suckered in, its their livelihood's.

 

Elspeth Macdonald, chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation, was also critical, saying: “This deal is a horror show for Scottish fishermen, far worse than Boris Johnson’s botched Brexit agreement.

“It is clear that Sir Keir Starmer made the whole deal on the backs of our fishermen and coastal communities, granting EU vessels 12 years of continuous access to UK waters at the last minute in order secure other objectives.

“This highlights the total indifference of the British political establishment to the interests of our fishing sector, with Sir Keir becoming the third prime minister after Edward Heath and (Boris) Johnson to betray the industry.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/fishing-deal-12-years-european-union-british-waters-starmer-b1228525.html  

 

 

https://thefishingdaily.com/uk-fishing-industry-news-news/disaster-for-uk-fishermen-as-labour-government-sells-out-fishing/

 

 

 

FFS!

Fishing contributes 0.12% of the UK's GDP, the agreement is only an extension of the one previously agreed to by Boris Johnson. In contrast the benefit of removing the checks and reducing the paperwork on food exports to the EU is of significantly greater value, particularly to UK farmers. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Stocky said:

FFS!

Fishing contributes 0.12% of the UK's GDP, the agreement is only an extension of the one previously agreed to by Boris Johnson. In contrast the benefit of removing the checks and reducing the paperwork on food exports to the EU is of significantly greater value, particularly to UK farmers. 

My post is about the fishermen. Why swear? Fisherman, their families and the communities have rights too you know.

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

I agree that Europe's fishing grounds (including the UK's) have been raped to death. This is reflected in the decline in importance of fishing as an industry Europe-wide, something that has been happening since the mid-90s. Whether this decline can (or should) be reversed is probably a question for a separate thread.

 

The fishing industry's importance in EU-UK negotiations - both now and  previously - is completely out of proportion to its' economic significance. That fishing rights are an issue is solely down to the influence of the French and Spanish. Why the other EU member states have been so acquiescence in this matter is a mystery to me, given that fishing contributes an insignificant 0.06% to the EU's GDP (0.4% to the UK's).

 

Imo the UK has been quite shrewd in using fisheries as a bargaining chip in these negotiations e.g. you want fishing rights, we want reduced phytosanitary checks. I accept that there will be further damage to what's left of the UK's fishing industry, but imo it is a price worth paying given what we have got in return.

 

Decline in importance? Is that because you don't like fish? Why do you think that fishing rights are always near the top of EU demands?  

 

Most continental Europeans love fish but these days many countries have limited access to quantity and quality. The Dutch and French having some of the most environmentally damaging fleets, tactics and  methods don't help. The Spanish are also guilty of this and are still plundering African waters illegally too.

 

How has the UK been shrewd? What did we get in return for this price you say is so "worth" paying for? 

 

Fishing would account for a lot more in terms of percentage of UK GDP if we could fully control out waters and stocks again. If UK fish were totally denied to the EU then there would probably be riots in Paris, at least. Retaining access to a large supply of UK fish seems to be more a symbolic show of power (over the UK) by the EU rather than an economic necessity. Fishing is an important political lever which needs a sharp pull.

 

 

 

[BusyB]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

What's the timescales for reaping the benefits ?

 

50 years apparently. 

 

Perhaps that's the gestation period for unicorns.

[Tiger1980]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He’s extending by 12 years the fishing deal Johnson negotiated and in exchange getting lots of goodies for the British economy.

 

Even British fishermen do well out of this deal, the removal of restrictions on exports to the EU will re-open the opportunity to sell their catch in Europe, an opportunity they were robbed of by Brexit.

 

Add the benefits to British farming, security, access to EU defense spending and re-entry to Erasmus, it’s a great deal.

 

It’s well past time to peal back the damage the Tories did under cover of Brexit. Starmer is on it.!

Been watching French TV this morning, interestingly their take on the negotiations do not coincide with yours. They seem to think they’ve played Starmer for a fool. They cannot believe how easy it was to basically take over the British fishing grounds.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Tiger1980 said:

Been watching French TV this morning, interestingly their take on the negotiations do not coincide with yours. They seem to think they’ve played Starmer for a fool. They cannot believe how easy it was to basically take over the British fishing grounds.

To be fair, that’s you telling us what you say was said on the French news.

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

See my post above, copied here

 

The UK and the EU have agreed to co-operate further on a "youth experience scheme" - but this will be subject to further negotiations
 

 

I'm pleased that you - like me - seem to view youth mobility as a positive; many Brexiters do not.

 

Hopefully negotiations can be concluded quickly.

 

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

British holidaymakers will be able to use e-gates at more European airports - although it is not yet clear when this will come into force
 

 

Seems like we won't have to wait too long

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/britons-to-gain-access-to-european-airport-egates/#:~:text=When will UK passport holders,rolled out from October 2025.

 

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

Meanwhile, National Farmers’ Union president Tom Bradshaw says it was not yet clear what UK rules and regulations would have to be aligned with the EU’s.'
 

 

Given that the UK helped draft the EU's phytosanitary and animal welfare regulations and is still aligned with them, this would only become a problem if we decided to adopt lower standards in the future.

 

I wouldn't have thought that this was in the UK public's best interests.

 

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

The UK, at this stage, has not got anything in return.

 

Strictly speaking, true but plenty to look forward to.

[Tiger1980]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

To be fair, that’s you telling us what you say was said on the French news.

 

Well you go and watch French TV and then give us your unbiased take. And then we can see if it differs. 
The only problem is you will not as you prefer to knock the British at every opportunity.

 

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Unicorns and warm sunlit uplands, a glorious trade deal with the US, immigration suddenly halted and £350 million a week for the NHS.

 

Non of which materialized.

 

 

That's what disingenous Libs claim we wanted.

 

Not what we actually wanted.

 

But you already knew that.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

I don't know what? Do you have your own PM? Where are you living? Alice's Wonderland? Are you one of those? A hatter?🥰

 

 

You now seem to be using incoherence as a debating tactic; a truly fascinating ploy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's what disingenous Libs claim we wanted.

 

Not what we actually wanted.

 

But you already knew that.

 

You’ve gone awfully coy on what you wanted.

 

[The Cyclist]

31 minutes ago, RayC said:

I'm pleased that you - like me - seem to view youth mobility as a positive; many Brexiters do not.

 

It might have escaped your notice, but both Starmer and Labour have been making loud noises about reducing legal migration.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/11/will-labours-immigration-changes-make-a-clean-break

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/12/uk-labour-government-toughens-immigration-plans-as-far-right-gains-support

 

So how youth mobility of potentially millions of EU people into the UK can be seen as a positive absolutely defies belief.

 

It takes a special kind of mentalism to miss the irony, the blatant lies, and the utter cluelessness of the current Government.