Trump ambushes South African president at White House meeting

[BLMFem]

7 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

And Biden didn't have severe dementia when in the White House because CNN said it ?

 

 

Really getting desperate there, buddy. What deflection are you gonna use next, Hillary's e-mails, the laptop, Soros?

[hotandsticky]

4 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Really getting desperate there, buddy. What deflection are you gonna use next, Hillary's e-mails, the laptop, Soros?

 

 

You are really struggling to cope with defeat, aren't you?

[ThreeCardMonte]

59 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Fact is, Britain brutally exploited Rhodesia 

Fact is.  45 years later still a cesspool.

[chercheur888]

8 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

I wonder who is next on Trump's list of world leaders to get told their pedigree rather than getting their pocket pi**ed in.

 

Zelensky got what he deserved, as did Mr. Ramaphosa.  Starmer got off very lightly and was probably thanking the Gods all the way to the airport. 

 

 

The only one so far who is treated as an equal, because he really is, is Nayib Bukele, the Pres. of El Salvador. They must be from the same family.

[NickyLouie]

9 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Really getting desperate there, buddy. What deflection are you gonna use next, Hillary's e-mails, the laptop, Soros?

 

Why u so btthurt ?

 

Trump is doing God's work.....

 

[newbee2022]

Just now, ThreeCardMonte said:

Fact is.  45 years later still a cesspool.

Name only one British colony where Britains left as friends? None. Kicked out everywhere.

Why? Because they treated the people brutally, killed them, took their resources and left like thieves.

[hotandsticky]

4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Fact is.  45 years later still a cesspool.

 

 

Rhodesia or Britain.

 

I only ask because some posters will jump on the opportunity to think you are talking about Britain.

[ThreeCardMonte]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Fact is, Britain brutally exploited Rhodesia 

What are you saying?

 

it wasn’t Trump’s fault?  This time.

[ThreeCardMonte]

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Rhodesia or Britain.

 

I only ask because some posters will jump on the opportunity to think you are talking about Britain.

Rhodesia 

[brewsterbudgen]

4 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

I’m shocked you feel that way.

 

You have much in common.  You advocate electric vehicles.

 

Trump has a Tesla now.  You should be praising him.

Eh?  I drive a petrol vehicle if you must know, but quite what that has to do with Donald Trump I have no idea!

[newbee2022]

Just now, ThreeCardMonte said:

What are you saying?

 

it wasn’t Trump’s fault?  This time.

Big yawn 🥱🥱🥱😴

[brewsterbudgen]

Just now, ThreeCardMonte said:

Rhodesia 

It's called Zimbabwe.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Rhodesia 

 

🙂

[ThreeCardMonte]

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Name only one British colony where Britains left as friends? None. Kicked out everywhere.

Why? Because they treated the people brutally, killed them, took their resources and left like thieves.

USA?  LOL 

[ThreeCardMonte]

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It's called Zimbabwe.

For those with White Guilt.

[NickyLouie]

8 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It's called Zimbabwe.

 

and it's a toilet now , nothing there but the infrastructure built by the whites 

 

Was charming and productive  when Rhodesia .....

 

 

 

[NickyLouie]

[WDSmart]

How does anyone think all those White people got control of that land in the first place? 🥺

[brewsterbudgen]

13 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

and it's a toilet now , nothing there but the infrastructure built by the whites 

 

Was charming and productive  when Rhodesia .....

 

 

 

I don't disagree.  Glad I left (when it was still Rhodesia), but it's called Zimbabwe now.

[BLMFem]

36 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Why u so btthurt ?

 

Trump is doing God's work.....

 

Was god behind the fake assassination attempt?

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Of course it is Britain's fault. If Britons wouldn't have exploited the country but give the Blacks a good education, and invested in infrastructure.....aso....it could be a better place now.

Yeah the educated ones exploit the others. Its a cultural thing.

[Anthony mellows]

Another country to add to the growing list that hates America.

 

 

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, MeaMaximaCulpa said:

 

I usually don’t get involved in the political threads on the forum, but I must admit I am drawn to them like a moth to a flame or to the proverbial slow motion train wreck. For shock and entertainment. But I will make an exception today, because the above comment I saw from @spidermike007 just cannot go unanswered. This also includes a lot of his “mates”, but I shall not bother to name them here, we all know who they are by now, as do they of course. Either they are pure trolls, they participate in the inane “post-count competition”, or they are just grossly uninformed, willfully or otherwise. On the flip side, there are also many well informed commenters here. We don’t have always to agree, but we should discuss issues and facts.

So when faced with a serious and complex subject like what is going on in South Africa, the best you can come up with is a sad little attack on Trump, and a very unfunny “joke” about the price of his suit. Really? Really? Pathetic. Have you ever even been to South Africa? Have you studied the background and history? Anything at all? Do you even care?

This will be a bit long, but hopefully worth reading if you care about the world around you. It is a parallel to the Russia/Ukraine debacle, where I am met with “Russia attacked, so nothing more to discuss”. Well a lot actually, because history and context matters. A lot. But just for the record: I am NOT condoning apartheid, nor am I a Putin apologist. So just don’t bother to go there.

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I did spend five years living and working there (in Pinetown, outside Durban), and travelled extensively around the country, talking to people everywhere, from all walks of life, including my own employees and people in squatter camps and “black townships”. Man did they have tales to tell. South Africa was a great country, with great natural resources, geography, infrastructure, climate, people and a promising future. I wish I could write “is”, but I am not sure if the situation can be turned around before it is too late, before we have “Zimbabwe V2.0”. I still hope to be proven wrong!

I was there in the 1990s, during the time that Madiba (Mandela) was released from prison, the first free election held, and the setting up of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, headed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. It was a time of amazing energy, hope, and good will. The highly troubled peoples finally seemed to have some sense of a common purpose and vision of better times to come. And with a stellar statesman like Madiba at the helm, what could possibly go wrong? Well, too much was resting on Madiba’s shoulders, and when he died, things started to unravel. I shall not bore you with details, read up for yourself if you care. But the short story is that without competent and strong leadership infighting, corruption, greed and hatred started to get the upper hand.

There are many articles and videos on the interweb to study, one I found interesting and scary was Lauren Southern’s “Farmlands” (from 2018):

I can promise you the situation has not improved in the 7 years since then. We also now have the collapse of Eskom (national electricity utility), where it is so run into the ground that it can no longer provide stable power to consumers and businesses.

I remember hearing about the government of Zambia reaching out to the white Afrikaaner farmers (from South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe) and inviting them to settle in Zambia. They got cheap/free farmland to help move agriculture forward to modern standards so Zambia could feed its people. A very smart move indeed, because these people know how to farm!

I will not engage in a mudslinging contest, and therefore not answer any responses unless they are showing genuine interest and curiosity, and is contributing to a better understanding of the issue. Then I’m all yours!
 

Thanks for the unique and on the ground perspective.  It is as many former colonies, too fast to independence and still harboring the old resentments and tribal animosity. No trust in government institutions, no trust in the rule of law, overwhelming corruption. This story has been told repeatedly throughout the region.

[metisdead]

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[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Name only one British colony where Britains left as friends? None. Kicked out everywhere.

Why? Because they treated the people brutally, killed them, took their resources and left like thieves.

 

1 small correction - they didn't leave 'like' thieves. They were thieves. The British empire became so rich because of thievery and exploitation. 

[still kicking]

11 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Normal presidents don't act like a vulgar mob-boss, especially when entertaining another head of state.

Normal people don't support a president who behaves this way.

Who said he is normal?

[proton]

Well done Trump, why let fellow travellers to race murder off the hook?

 

 

[proton]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I don't disagree.  Glad I left (when it was still Rhodesia), but it's called Zimbabwe now.

 

More usually from the bread basket of Africa to the basket case of Africa, since the black Africans took over

[ThreeCardMonte]

4 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Was god behind the fake assassination attempt?

“The Highly Educated “.showing its intelligence.

[NickyLouie]

Legacy (fake media) all told to regurgitate the exact same 'ambush' headline.

 

Trump gave a masterclass (again) how to check the world's corrupt leaders who keep coming to the White House to beg .....