Trump ambushes South African president at White House meeting

[ThreeCardMonte]

8 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

Legacy (fake media) all told to regurgitate the exact same 'ambush' headline.

 

Trump gave a masterclass (again) how to check the world's corrupt leaders who keep coming to the White House to beg .....

 

 

Maxine Waters and Al Sharpton won’t be happy.  Along with Whoopy, Joy Reid and Don Lemon.

[spidermike007]

7 hours ago, MeRakThai said:

Yes i have been to South Africa, soweto, Johannesburg etc. you are correct and criticism of you needs addressing. Trump seems to be pissed off at South Africa for political reasons . The below is from the ABC and taken from correspondents in cape town:

Both white and Black farmers and even conservative white Afrikaner groups debunked the Trump administration’s “genocide” and land seizure claims that led the U.S. to cut all financial aid to South Africa. Farmers agree that violent crime is a problem for everyone.

 

Latest stats from South Africa 

"the latest figures show that nearly 10,000 people were murdered in the country between October and December 2024. Of these, a dozen were killed in farm attacks and of the 12, one was a farmer, while five were farm dwellers and four were employees, who are likely to have been black."

Trump lies through ommision

Trump lies every time he opens his foul mouth. He creates narratives (they're eating the dogs, they're eating your cats) like a breakfast cook creates home fries. Lying is all he knows and it has served him well. Most of his fortune was acquired through the con, and he continues to employ it. And the saddest part is how many people buy his fabrications and distortions. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump lies every time he opens his foul mouth. He creates narratives (they're eating the dogs, they're eating your cats) like a breakfast cook creates home fries. Lying is all he knows and it has served him well. Most of his fortune was acquired through the con, and he continues to employ it. And the saddest part is how many people buy his fabrications and distortions. 

get a grip brother

[spidermike007]

7 hours ago, MeaMaximaCulpa said:

 

I usually don’t get involved in the political threads on the forum, but I must admit I am drawn to them like a moth to a flame or to the proverbial slow motion train wreck. For shock and entertainment. But I will make an exception today, because the above comment I saw from @spidermike007 just cannot go unanswered. This also includes a lot of his “mates”, but I shall not bother to name them here, we all know who they are by now, as do they of course. Either they are pure trolls, they participate in the inane “post-count competition”, or they are just grossly uninformed, willfully or otherwise. On the flip side, there are also many well informed commenters here. We don’t have always to agree, but we should discuss issues and facts.

So when faced with a serious and complex subject like what is going on in South Africa, the best you can come up with is a sad little attack on Trump, and a very unfunny “joke” about the price of his suit. Really? Really? Pathetic. Have you ever even been to South Africa? Have you studied the background and history? Anything at all? Do you even care?

This will be a bit long, but hopefully worth reading if you care about the world around you. It is a parallel to the Russia/Ukraine debacle, where I am met with “Russia attacked, so nothing more to discuss”. Well a lot actually, because history and context matters. A lot. But just for the record: I am NOT condoning apartheid, nor am I a Putin apologist. So just don’t bother to go there.

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I did spend five years living and working there (in Pinetown, outside Durban), and travelled extensively around the country, talking to people everywhere, from all walks of life, including my own employees and people in squatter camps and “black townships”. Man did they have tales to tell. South Africa was a great country, with great natural resources, geography, infrastructure, climate, people and a promising future. I wish I could write “is”, but I am not sure if the situation can be turned around before it is too late, before we have “Zimbabwe V2.0”. I still hope to be proven wrong!

I was there in the 1990s, during the time that Madiba (Mandela) was released from prison, the first free election held, and the setting up of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, headed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. It was a time of amazing energy, hope, and good will. The highly troubled peoples finally seemed to have some sense of a common purpose and vision of better times to come. And with a stellar statesman like Madiba at the helm, what could possibly go wrong? Well, too much was resting on Madiba’s shoulders, and when he died, things started to unravel. I shall not bore you with details, read up for yourself if you care. But the short story is that without competent and strong leadership infighting, corruption, greed and hatred started to get the upper hand.

There are many articles and videos on the interweb to study, one I found interesting and scary was Lauren Southern’s “Farmlands” (from 2018):

I can promise you the situation has not improved in the 7 years since then. We also now have the collapse of Eskom (national electricity utility), where it is so run into the ground that it can no longer provide stable power to consumers and businesses.

I remember hearing about the government of Zambia reaching out to the white Afrikaaner farmers (from South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe) and inviting them to settle in Zambia. They got cheap/free farmland to help move agriculture forward to modern standards so Zambia could feed its people. A very smart move indeed, because these people know how to farm!

I will not engage in a mudslinging contest, and therefore not answer any responses unless they are showing genuine interest and curiosity, and is contributing to a better understanding of the issue. Then I’m all yours!
 

Good post. My question would be just how many white farmers have been killed? Was it a dozen, or thousands, as the lying goon claims?

[NickyLouie]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Good post. My question would be just how many white farmers have been killed? Was it a dozen, or thousands, as the lying goon claims?

 

[billd766]

10 hours ago, thesetat said:

You mean, be diplomatic by lying to everyone and doing the opposite of what you say? Cover up the bad things and hide them using double talk or by averting the topics or outright silence? 

Sounds like you miss Biden as President. 

 

Very poor and off topic deflection.

 

The topic is about Trump and Ramaphosa and nothing to do with ex President Biden. 

 

Why is it that Trump supporters seem to be unable to stick to the topic?

[billd766]

10 hours ago, Tug said:

I’m waiting for a real world leader to just get fed up with the vulgarian and let the big mouth have it on the world stage on camera no mercy and just call this troll out.

Better to simply pack up and walk away, and completely ignore Trump and his acolytes.

[Patong2021]

20 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

I’m not surprised.

 

They ruined Rhodesia.

 Spoken as a bonafide ignorant bigot. Zimbabwe was ruined by the arrival of Cecil Rhodes and his theft of African property in the 1880's.Rhodesia was never a legitimate country.  In 1965, it illegally acted on its own and rebelled against  its ruler the United Kingdom.

[BangkokReady]

15 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

 

 

 

 

And these people are actually trying to pretend that Trump is in the wrong.  The denial of non-Whites doing anything bad and Whites being victims is chilling.

[Tug]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Better to simply pack up and walk away, and completely ignore Trump and his acolytes.

I know the problem is that the USA (for now) has to much economic clout no leader ( no much how they would like to absolutely humiliate this clown on the world stage) can do it because of the repercussions..….still a nice thought and if anyone deserves a good public dressing down it’s one Donald jhon trump!

[billd766]

8 hours ago, candide said:

Post to be ignored for being baseless, as usual! 😆

I ignore all his posts as he is on my ignore list. I only see any of his posts if somebody responds to him.

[merck]

Plaasmoorde: The Killing Fields (2018) Katie Hopkins' documentary about the South African farmers

 

[bannork]

Oh dear, the Trump fanboys club has been fooled again. When will they learn?

I suggest posters read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81334je72o

Fact Checking Trump's Oval Office confontration with Ramaphos

The rows of white crosses along a rural road which Trump claimed were burial sites of over a thousand  white farmers were in fact a temporary memorial in protest against the murder of one white farming couple Glen and Vida Rafferty, who were ambushed and shot dead on their premises in 2020.

The crosses are no longer there.

 Out of a total of 26,232 murders in South Africa last year, 44 were killings of people within the farming community and of those, only eight were of farmers.

Hardly figures of genocide!

 The image Trump showed which he claimed was evidence of white farmer killings in South Africa isn't from South Africa - it's actually from a report about women being killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo!

 

 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Better to simply pack up and walk away, and completely ignore Trump and his acolytes.

I tend to agree, so far Zelensky has been the biggest man to step to the plate, and he gave Trump quite a bit of pushback with his Ukraine related lies, and look at what he got for that.

 

Trump is a tiny, sad man and an incredible loser, and he has skin that's thinner than tissue paper, so anyone that annoys or offends him ends up paying a huge price for it, especially on live TV.

 

So it's best just to ignore the creep and allow him to make America less relevant again. 

[NickyLouie]

16 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Trump is a tiny, sad man and an incredible loser, 

 

spidermike007 : You just described your reality.

 

 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Good post. My question would be just how many white farmers have been killed? Was it a dozen, or thousands, as the lying goon claims?

According to the article I linked, there are around 50 farmers killed every year, both white and black.

[candide]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Oh dear, the Trump fanboys club has been fooled again. When will they learn?

I suggest posters read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81334je72o

Fact Checking Trump's Oval Office confontration with Ramaphos

The rows of white crosses along a rural road which Trump claimed were burial sites of over a thousand  white farmers were in fact a temporary memorial in protest against the murder of one white farming couple Glen and Vida Rafferty, who were ambushed and shot dead on their premises in 2020.

The crosses are no longer there.

 Out of a total of 26,232 murders in South Africa last year, 44 were killings of people within the farming community and of those, only eight were of farmers.

Hardly figures of genocide!

 The image Trump showed which he claimed was evidence of white farmer killings in South Africa isn't from South Africa - it's actually from a report about women being killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo!

 

 

How do you dare to post facts? You will get thumbs down from MAGA posters for this affront! 😆

[candide]

9 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Who's laughing now? 🤣

 

Trump displays DRC visual as proof of South African 'genocide'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-displays-drc-visual-proof-190611025.html

[Dan O]

18 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Visit Suid Afrika before running your mouth and looking like a fool.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/05/president-trump-is-right-about-whats-happening-in-south-africa/

 

 

 

 

Killing isnt ever right no matter the race or country but I guess White South Africans dont like being treated like they treated Black South Africans just a few short decades ago do they? 

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Oh dear, the Trump fanboys club has been fooled again. When will they learn?

I suggest posters read https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81334je72o

Fact Checking Trump's Oval Office confontration with Ramaphos

The rows of white crosses along a rural road which Trump claimed were burial sites of over a thousand  white farmers were in fact a temporary memorial in protest against the murder of one white farming couple Glen and Vida Rafferty, who were ambushed and shot dead on their premises in 2020.

The crosses are no longer there.

 Out of a total of 26,232 murders in South Africa last year, 44 were killings of people within the farming community and of those, only eight were of farmers.

Hardly figures of genocide!

 The image Trump showed which he claimed was evidence of white farmer killings in South Africa isn't from South Africa - it's actually from a report about women being killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo!

 

 

Now, Now your just gonna confuse the mentally feeble minded trumpettes that are being duped by a conman. The verbal diarrhea they will spew to claim your facts are propaganda or MSM lies will quickly fill the pages although they wont be able to provide any facts, just somehow blame Biden for creating the situation

[bannork]

18 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Now, Now your just gonna confuse the mentally feeble minded trumpettes that are being duped by a conman. The verbal diarrhea they will spew to claim your facts are propaganda or MSM lies will quickly fill the pages although they wont be able to provide any facts, just somehow blame Biden for creating the situation

After all these years of so many lies, mistruths, misinformation, exaggeration- in other words steaming horse manure, how can the Trump fanboys still believe a word he says? 

Beyond belief.

[Dan O]

30 minutes ago, bannork said:

After all these years of so many lies, mistruths, misinformation, exaggeration- in other words steaming horse manure, how can the Trump fanboys still believe a word he says? 

Beyond belief.

It does baffle the imagination and question the mentality of the hardcore cultist. I have come to conclude that the majority are either a similar flawed character type or suffer from Stockholm Syndrome and cant admit to their stupidity.

[Dan O]

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

get a grip brother

I dont hear any facts being presented by you or the other minions that have been duped by the conman trump. Pony up with some facts and truth to counter Mike's post or put up or shut up as they say.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, candide said:

According to the article I linked, there are around 50 farmers killed every year, both white and black.

Okay that makes sense, however Trump failed to mention the black farmers as they just simply don't count. In his mind they are people of color, and therefore irrelevant and infinitely less important than white folks. He continues to be the most divisive and hate filled president in American history. 

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

spidermike007 : You just described your reality.

 

 

 

Nah. He doesn't drive me crazy, I actually find him quite amusing, and I just like many others enjoy commenting on his inane behavior and his daily silliness. 

 

 

[ThreeCardMonte]

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 Spoken as a bonafide ignorant bigot. Zimbabwe was ruined by the arrival of Cecil Rhodes and his theft of African property in the 1880's.Rhodesia was never a legitimate country.  In 1965, it illegally acted on its own and rebelled against  its ruler the United Kingdom.

Will you be paying reparations?

[daveAustin]

23 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

I wonder who is next on Trump's list of world leaders to get told their pedigree rather than getting their pocket pi**ed in.

 

Zelensky got what he deserved, as did Mr. Ramaphosa.  Starmer got off very lightly and was probably thanking the Gods all the way to the airport. 

 

 

Can’t stand Starmer, but why would Trump try to embarrass the country that always has its back? Between western allies at least, the whole tariff on perceived trade deficit thing is a joke. 
 

Even for Trump lovers, his denigrating of statesmen in a televised setting must surely be cringe? Super embarrassing for normal Americans for sure. Even if he is right, that’s not the way to go about it. Total buffoon. 

[Patong2021]

41 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Will you be paying reparations?

 

Why would I pay reparations to  Zimbabwe I did not take the Africans' land and resources. Nor have I ever exploited the  Zimbabweans.

[JimHuaHin]

Maybe Trump wants more time golfing, so he is trying to discourage international leaders from visiting the USA, where he will have to spend time meeting and greeting them.

[MeaMaximaCulpa]

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Good post. My question would be just how many white farmers have been killed? Was it a dozen, or thousands, as the lying goon claims?

Thanks, I appreciate your response. I do not have any accurate figures, but having followed this situation for many years, my impression and opinion is that the number is huge, somewhere in the several of tens of thousands. During my time there (1990s), what was most in the news was the inter-tribal, black-on-black killings. They were horribly bestial, with bodies hacked to pieces or “necklaced”. I lost several of my factory workers to these senseless killings. There are 8 or 9 “officially recognized” tribes in South Africa, and many of them hate each others’ guts. So this goes far deeper than skin colour.

 

Take the time to watch the video I posted, also the one by Katie Hopkins posted by @merck (I know she may be too much for some with her flippant sarcasm, but in this one she is very serious and not out for cheap points). Better yet, find articles and videos from sources you trust, because it is in the nature of documentaries to only show one side of an issue, and they are usually very persuasive. My impression is that killings of white farmers happen on an “industrial scale” is not a controversial issue, but the South African government will of course tone down the seriousness and numbers to fit their narrative. And to add insult to injury, the moral underpinnings of the taking back white owned land and redistributing it to blacks have not exactly yielded stellar results. Neither in Zimbabwe nor in South Africa. In many cases the land was used as rewards for supporters of the government, people already wealthy who had no idea how to farm, and the end result being massively reduced output and starvation as a result. Sad but true. From breadbasket to basket case.

 

I came to this discussion mostly driven by my close connections to South Africa, and not so much to discuss Trump, but being an avid fanboy and proud of that, I will make a couple of comments around that too while I’m here anyway. Firstly I was impressed with your long post regarding tariffs and China, a bit off-topic as such in this particular thread, but with lots of facts, details and substance. More of this please! Now I cannot speak for Trump nor read his mind, but I would venture to guess he would mostly agree with your situational description of China having risen to dominate manufacturing and more and more also the science and technology underpinning this. How did this happen? With good help from US and other companies out to save money by moving their operations to China. And also by the CCPs policy of stealing intellectual property and copying. But that is water under the bridge now.

 

As I understand it, tariffs is Trump’s preferred tool to break this vicious circle and bring manufacturing and R&D back to the US. And that is why he initially goes very hard and deep, to get attention, scare and sometimes (economically) force companies back to the US. And also to level out very unfair trade protections from trading partners. During negotiations positions will be adjusted and an equilibrium will usually be found, hopefully with very few/low tariffs, to let market forces decide. It is a very risky game to play, and only time will tell if it will work. And will it be enough to counter China going forward, who knows? Perhaps the US has already fallen too far, much like Europe, the latter really is a basket case at this stage, beyond saving in my opinion. Very sad indeed.

 

Finally in closing, I am really shocked to see the abject hatred of Trump coming from many posters here, totally dominating their opinions and blocking for a constructive discussion. Often based on nothing but emotions. I do not agree with all Trump does or says, and of course he also lies. Allow me a bit of "whataboutism": Show me any politician who doesn’t lie. But I will go out on a limb and say that in my opinion Trump engages mostly in hyperbole (and ad hominem and other not-so-nice tactics as well), but more often than not is he not outright lying, but actually “directionally correct”. No, I cannot give stats or evidence of this, just my “informed fanboy opinion”. So there!