If there is no life after death...

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

 

There is, and its called earth, heaven and hell all in one! And for some others something in the middle +-

 

No need to look any other place

I'm hoping it's a lot better then what we see here. A place where you can go fishing and not worry about mosquitoes or blackflies. 

 

Where you can eat whatever you want, gluttony aside, and not worry about calories. 

 

Where scamming doesn't exist, because everyone has what they need already. 

 

Where we see all our passed on family, friends and animals. 

 

Where there aren't any gnats or flies trying to land on your eyes and in ears like they do here. 

 

Where there is no food poisoning, diseases, pain, heartache or jealousy.

 

No narcissism or depression, or people destroying for profit.

[JoseThailand]

46 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Well yes, lots of discussion.

 

However I see that as 'pie in the sky', somewhat similar to 'virgin birth' and 'rose from the dead after 3 days' and 'parted the river' etc.

 

Reincarnation is not related to any particular religion. There is a lot of independent evidence of reincarnation where people remember their past lives and can provide verifiable details that otherwise couldn't be known to them

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Also the damage that comes from believing the universe and everything in it, with all the diversity, species, things that make life possible to exist on this planet, all came from a big bang that happened all by itself from nothing, instead of there being a creator which makes a lot more sense, even to half of the scientists.

The theory is a bit more advanced than so, but simple versions, big bangs is a result of old universe collaps and reborn.

 

Why do you believe a single sperm infested a egg becomes a human? A miracle or a chain reaction? 

[Yellowtail]

There is no more "hard evidence" that there is no God, than there is that there is a God. 

 

 

 

 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

There is no more "hard evidence" that there is no God, than there is that there is a God. 

 

 

 

 

Correct,  cant prove either

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The theory is a bit more advanced than so, but simple versions, big bangs is a result of old universe collaps and reborn.

 

Why do you believe a single sperm infested a egg becomes a human? A miracle or a chain reaction? 

 

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The theory is a bit more advanced than so, but simple versions, big bangs is a result of old universe collaps and reborn.

 

Why do you believe a single sperm infested a egg becomes a human? A miracle or a chain reaction? 

That God can make a universe from his mind doesn't have me doubting any miracles that happen daily.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Correct,  cant prove either

Which is why some prefer using common sense instead of having all things, of which there are billions, to come from a big bang and be created by that alone.

[KhunLA]

34 minutes ago, novanova said:

An individual's likes, dislikes and preferences have no bearing on the fact that there is not a scrap of hard evidence in favour of "a god, and/or an afterlife exist".

 

People believe in such fact-free nonsense because they were brainwashed at an early age.  The damage that such gibberish does is monumental.

The same could be said ... there is no hard evidence, that GOD and or an afterlife, does not exist.

 

Myself, I'm a hopeful Atheist.  Not agnostic though, just hope to be pleasantly surprised.  But with some of the near death, after death & resuscitated experiences ... I'm hopeful, but won't be disappointed if nothing happens.

 

2 brothers & wives are hard core Christian warriors.  The 3rd, not sure, as we don't talk, but his wife is, although Catholic.  Not sure if Catholic counts as Christian 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

That God can make a universe from his mind doesn't have me doubting any miracles that happen daily.

People from the Middle Ages would regard us using smartphones or traveling in cars as a miracle.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

People from the Middle Ages would regard us using smartphones or traveling in cars as a miracle.

Yes, but things that happen not from our own power are the real miracles in life.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

That God can make a universe from his mind doesn't have me doubting any miracles that happen daily.

If there is a god, I doubt the God itself is anywhere like what we think God is.

 

You said something about being realistic, this not anything close to realistic. God creating something out of his mind, need some hardware to create even a simulated world need some hardware, which is very much a realistic case. 

 

We can create and manipulate simulations that is very realistic, and that in only few decades. 

 

We also travel space, and soon can infest other planets with life, if not already there, as well stimulate life to create an atmosphere in at a simular planet as ours. Everything is possible.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

The same could be said ... there is no hard evidence, that GOD and or an afterlife, does not exist.

 

Myself, I'm a hopeful Atheist.  Not agnostic though, just hope to be pleasantly surprised.  But with some of the near death, after death & resuscitated experiences ... I'm hopeful, but won't be disappointed if nothing happens.

 

2 brothers & wives are hard core Christian warriors.  The 3rd, not sure, as we don't talk, but his wife is, although Catholic.  Not sure if Catholic counts as Christian 

It's often said the only unpardonable sin is turning your back on God. Yes, Catholic is Christian.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Which is why some prefer using common sense instead of having all things, of which there are billions, to come from a big bang and be created by that alone.

Very few believes big bang came from nothing, if any, except those who want it to be something else. 

 

It was a chain reaction, and still is

[BritManToo]

Always fun to watch the mentally ill try to justify their illness.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Hummin said:

If there is a god, I doubt the God itself is anywhere like what we think God is.

 

You said something about being realistic, this not anything close to realistic. God creating something out of his mind, need some hardware to create even a simulated world need some hardware, which is very much a realistic case. 

 

We can create and manipulate simulations that is very realistic, and that in only few decades. 

 

We also travel space, and soon can infest other planets with life, if not already there, as well stimulate life to create an atmosphere in at a simular planet as ours. Everything is possible.

What we do is because God gave us creativity in our minds. We travel space although slowly, but he made space. The miracle is that he did create the universe from his mind, inventing matter. The way the earth is going, it might not last another 100 years, and people won't if the population continues to increase.

[Lacessit]

IMO the only life we have after death is what we create in our lifetime, be it children, songs, sculptures, endowments etc.

 

The vast majority of us are forgotten in 2-3 generations.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Always fun to watch the mentally ill try to justify their illness.

How's that working for ya?

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Very few believes big bang came from nothing, if any, except those who want it to be something else. 

 

It was a chain reaction, and still is

A chain reaction to what? 

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Very few believes big bang came from nothing, if any, except those who want it to be something else. 

 

It was a chain reaction, and still is

A reaction that was created by God, as matter doesn't come from nothing.

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, but things that happen not from our own power are the real miracles in life.

Name something you regard as a miracle.

 

[KhunLA]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It's often said the only unpardonable sin is turning your back on God. Yes, Catholic is Christian.

So they say, though just a bunch of hypocrites ... IMHO

 

Do what ever you want, just go to confessional on Sunday, a few hail Marys & some coins in the basket, and start the slate clean every week.

 

I don't know any Christian that isn't a hypocrite, and they always fall back on, 'we were born sinners'.  

 

What's really sad is, Atheist that I am, and I'm the most moral person that I know, and a hypocrite at times.  But don't make excuses for it.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Name something you regard as a miracle.

 

Birth of any species, how the brain works, how the body works, how everything life needs is in one place, and a certain distance from the sun to make it happen, the moon controlling the tides.

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

So they say, though just a bunch of hypocrites ... IMHO

 

Do what ever you want, just go to confessional on Sunday, a few hail Mary's & some coins in the basket, and start the slate clean every week.

 

I don't know any Christian that isn't a hypocrite, and they always fall back on, 'we were born sinners'.  

 

What's really sad is, Atheist that I am, and I'm the most moral person that I know, and a hypocrite at times.  But don't make excuses for it.

You can't escape or hide your true character. Many are hypocrites, many because we're all humans who make mistakes. He knows your heart. You can't fake repenting.

[James105]

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

There is no more "hard evidence" that there is no God, than there is that there is a God. 

 

 

There is no more "hard evidence" that there is no Santa Claus/Tooth Fairy/Unicorns, than there is that there is Santa Claus/Tooth Fairy/Unicorns. 

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

A chain reaction to what? 

the big bang, being a collaps and an expansion followed by nuclear reactions. 

 

All life is a chain reaction, also how the universe for the moment expanding,

 

 

[novanova]

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

There is no more "hard evidence" that there is no God, than there is that there is a God. 

 

 

 

 

That is not how science works. The onus is upon the submitter of a hypothesis to provide a case. There are an infinite number of entities that can be put into words - blue elephants at the centre of the moon etc, but no sane person concerns themselves with evidence for such things.

 

If we had just one generation where small children did not have their brains poisoned, religion would die out.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

the big bang, being a collaps and an expansion followed by nuclear reactions. 

 

All life is a chain reaction, also how the universe for the moment expanding,

 

 

Much is guesses by paid scientists.

[Stocky]

Your consciousness dies when your brain activity stops; dead is dead. But I accept some folk like to believe in an afterlife, some greater purpose than simply the replication and survival of your genes across generations, but I'm happy with the latter.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, novanova said:

That is not how science works. The onus is upon the submitter of a hypothesis to provide a case. There are an infinite number of entities that can be put into words - blue elephants at the centre of the moon etc, but no sane person concerns themselves with evidence for such things.

 

If we had just one generation where small children did not have their brains poisoned, religion would die out.

As would faith and hope. Hoping there is something after has many living food lives. No hope would have many doing things they wouldn't do otherwise, killing people they didn't like, raping women because they can, and hurting others in countless ways. Raising children to believe isn't poisoning them but giving them hope. They can always decide what they want to do when they reach adulthood.

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, novanova said:

That is not how science works. The onus is upon the submitter of a hypothesis to provide a case. There are an infinite number of entities that can be put into words - blue elephants at the centre of the moon etc, but no sane person concerns themselves with evidence for such things.

 

If we had just one generation where small children did not have their brains poisoned, religion would die out.

But still, people who do see, hear and feel things, will start investigate, and I believe we will end up somewhere or somewhat we already dealing with. There is purposes for everything, even religion.

 

Many philosophers, scientists and religious have understood why we need something else than pragmatic logical common sense. 

 

We need the feeling of belonging to something greater. 

 

What is your poison?