Report New Covid-19 Variant NB.1.8.1 Gains Ground in Thailand

[Patong2021]

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Not at all.  Once the virus was in Thailand, there was zero reason to think that all foreigners have covid.  You're being ridiculous.  Also, both foreigners and Thais brought the virus to Thailand.  The big break out of the variant that started the big spread in Thailand (I think it was Delta) was brought in by Thais coming illegally from Cambodia.

 

You're completely wrong about everything you have written.

 

No I am not. The data supports my comment. I was specific in respect to the introduction of the virus.  Thais did not introduce the virus in large quantities. It was initially brought in by foreigners. With time, Thai people who were infected, spread the disease locally. However, for the first 6 months of the crisis, infections primarily were  imported by Chinese, Iranian and European visitors. It is once the infections became established that local transmission exploded.

 

Influencing factors of COVID-19 spreading: a case study of Thailand: Kraichat Tantrakarnapa , Bhophkrit Bhopdhornangkul , Kanchana Nakhaapakorn 

We found that the number of tourist and their activities were significant associated with number of infected, confirmed COVID-19 cases. The public education and social supporting were the key roles for regulation enforcement and implementation.

 

It is  generally accepted that  visitors from three countries acted as initial  introduction agents around the world; China, Iran and italy. The Italian infections are believe to have originated in Milan, during fashion week when infected Chinese visitors arrived and infected  attendees who then spread the disease when the they returned home , with Italy being the  center of European exposure.

Ko Samui is popular with italians and infected Italians arrived to infect other visitors who were primarily European. These people brought the infections back to italy. The same model played out in Austria, where UK nationals on skiing holidays were exposed and brought the infections back to the UK.

The Lancet published a detailed  explanation;  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30581-8/fulltext

 

The Telegraph  discussed the Italian influence.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/travellers-italy-brought-covid-19-one-four-virus-hit-countries/

 

 

[Patong2021]

29 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

No.  It's milder.

What evidence do you have to support the claim that the "mildness" is because of the virus itself and not from the immunity in the population and the  large die off of people who were most at risk of infection, so that they are no longer present in the population?

[thesetat]

It is obvious this Covid has come from China once again. Even my friends there have told me the extent of cases is being covered up in China. 

It does not really matter anymore the variant as some posters seem to think. It may not be as serious for harm to people but it does make you sick enough to miss work. also it spreads more easily. 

 

The fact is. It can make you sick and if you are older or had covid before it can make you have more complications related to theCovid or the vaccines they gave previously. Downplaying the problem is not really a good idea. 

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Not at all.  Once the virus was in Thailand, there was zero reason to think that all foreigners have covid.  You're being ridiculous.  Also, both foreigners and Thais brought the virus to Thailand.  The big break out of the variant that started the big spread in Thailand (I think it was Delta) was brought in by Thais coming illegally from Cambodia.

 

You're completely wrong about everything you have written.

Not the way I remember it. Might have been what the press said but as I remember it was from flights from China. Flights allowed to happen after the CCP knew that the virus had leaked from the Wuhan Lab and flights allowed to happen with the blessing of the WHO.

[BangkokReady]

30 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not the way I remember it. Might have been what the press said but as I remember it was from flights from China. Flights allowed to happen after the CCP knew that the virus had leaked from the Wuhan Lab and flights allowed to happen with the blessing of the WHO.

 

You sound confused.

 

Follow the below link and go down to the "November-December 2020" section.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_Thailand

 

Thailand was basically quite chill and totally locked down for almost a year, then some Thais Brough Delta back and it ravaged the place.

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

You sound confused.

 

Follow the below link and go down to the "November-December 2020" section.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_Thailand

 

Thailand was basically quite chill and totally locked down for almost a year, then some Thais Brough Delta back and it ravaged the place.

Jan 22, 2020.

The Public Health Ministry on Wednesday confirmed a 73-year-old woman being treated at a hospital in Nakhon Pathom was the first Thai found to be infected with the new strain of coronavirus.

The woman fell ill after returning from the Chinese city of Wuhan late last year. She was being treated in Nakhon Pathom. Health officials confirmed she was infected with the new strain of coronavirus. 

There have now been four reported cases of novel coronavirus infection found in Thailand - three Chinese tourists and one Thai.
 

Not sure I can directly link this on here so I haven't but it's from BP.

[BangkokReady]

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Jan 22, 2020

 

As I said, I think you're confused. Delta variant didn't come to Thailand until much later.

[Magictoad]

21 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

By all accounts it's a lot milder, so this seems to be a good thing.  Smother out the more harmful variants, then keep mutating until it all but disappears.

Where did you get your medical qualifications?

[BangkokReady]

3 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

Where did you get your medical qualifications?

 

You don't need medical qualifications to understand scientific/medical research that explains that the new variants are milder than the previous ones. It's really simple.

[dinsdale]

18 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

As I said, I think you're confused. Delta variant didn't come to Thailand until much later.

No I'm not confused at all. DELTA was first detected in Thailand in 2021. Look at the date in my above post. Jan 22, 2020 and nowhere is the DELTA variant mentioned. All I'm saying is as I remember the 1st Sars-CoV-2 case in Thailand came in from China. The above article in BP supports this.

 

[dinsdale]

18 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

Where did you get your medical qualifications?

Please. These simplistic, juvenile responses are simply ridiculous. It also shows that you have absolutely no idea of what's happened in the past 5 years other than everyone needs to get jabbed, wear a mask and follow instructions.

[BangkokReady]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

No I'm not confused at all. DELTA was first detected in Thailand in 2021. Look at the date in my above post. Jan 22, 2020 and nowhere is the DELTA variant mentioned. All I'm saying is as I remember the 1st Sars-CoV-2 case in Thailand came in from China. The above article in BP supports this.

 

You are definitely confused.  I was talking about Delta.  Anything you have to say about some other variant at some other time means very little to the point I was making.

[dinsdale]

24 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

You are definitely confused.  I was talking about Delta.  Anything you have to say about some other variant at some other time means very little to the point I was making.

Sorry mate. My apologies. I thought you were saying 1st case not 1st DELTA case. I've scrolled back and indeed DELTA was when the panic really set in. Virtually none of it based on science mind you. Apologies again.

[ronnie50]

21 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Why is it remarkable? It's a non-severe viral infection. 

 

 

Nationally, Thailand has documented 73,070 Covid-19 cases and 25 deaths this year, reflecting a low mortality rate of 0.043 per 100,000 people. This statistic underscores the effectiveness of the country's health measures in managing the ongoing pandemic.

No it doesn't. It reflects the reality that it's a non-severe viral infection.

Very old numbers. As of this week, more than 257,000 cases reported so far this year and more than 50 deaths. Check Bkk Post.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, ronnie50 said:

Very old numbers. As of this week, more than 257,000 cases reported so far this year and more than 50 deaths. Check Bkk Post.

Well I would say the infection numbers are way higher with many not even knowing their infected. This one's spreading like wildfire. As for the deaths once again what's needed is age and comorbidities. Reality is a person in a vulnerable group can die from getting the common cold. It's not the virus that gets them it's secondary bacterial infections like pneumonia. 

[ronnie50]

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Well I would say the infection numbers are way higher with many not even knowing their infected. This one's spreading like wildfire. As for the deaths once again what's needed is age and comorbidities. Reality is a person in a vulnerable group can die from getting the common cold. It's not the virus that gets them it's secondary bacterial infections like pneumonia. 

Yeah, I agree. But that doesn't mean you let your guard down, especially if older and in one the more at risk groups. It's kinda asking for trouble when this thing is spreading so fast. Families with elders should be more careful too, not to get infected and bring it home. I think most Thais get that - it's why many wear masks on the skytrain, MRT, and occasionally in stores.

[jesimps]

23 hours ago, MaskLover2025 said:

Exactly - these figures do not justify the seemingly endless hysteria around covid in Thailand. There are at least several articles daily about covid, all accompanied by ridiculous imagery designed to inculcate fear and anxiety into an already psychologically broken populace. The fact this relentless hysteria is so effective in moulding the behaviour of Thai people speaks volumes about what kind of society it is.

Well I've just recovered from it and it put me on my back for about 10 days. Easily as bad as the worst dose of flu I've had. If I hadn't been retired, I'd have had to have taken that time off work. There may be "hysteria", but it's reducing the country's work force while it rages on. I managed to survive through the previous epidemics (I had 3 jabs), but it got me this time.

[ronnie50]

According to a couple of Australian news articles I read today on this variant (which is expected to spread quickly in that country as the dominant strain), they said the JN.1 strain of Covid vaccine (the one available now in BKK - if you can find a hospital that still has it) will confer some protection because NB 1.8.1 is an offshout of JN.1

[Chris Daley]

But when we are eating it's okay right?  I mean as soon as the mask comes off and the fork goes up no virus contaminating the food or air?

 

So why don't we just ditch the masks and carry a lunchbox around our necks?

[Airalee]

9 minutes ago, Chris Daley said:

But when we are eating it's okay right?  I mean as soon as the mask comes off and the fork goes up no virus contaminating the food or air?

 

So why don't we just ditch the masks and carry a lunchbox around our necks?

Should be ok….as long as you wear them during sex.

[MaskLover2025]

51 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Well I've just recovered from it and it put me on my back for about 10 days. Easily as bad as the worst dose of flu I've had. If I hadn't been retired, I'd have had to have taken that time off work. There may be "hysteria", but it's reducing the country's work force while it rages on. I managed to survive through the previous epidemics (I had 3 jabs), but it got me this time.

Don't care. Man up. You're not dead. Sometimes you get a little bit sick, that's the trade-off you make for living a free life. If you don't like it, then wrap yourself in a giant latex condom or consign yourself to the basement until you die.

[johng]

57 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Well I've just recovered from it and it put me on my back for about 10 days. Easily as bad as the worst dose of flu I've had

Glad you got through it. 👍     do you think the jabs helped ?

[jaideedave]

10 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

The WHO is losing shareholders left, right and centre. An excellent moment to re-endorse their need on the planet, despite costing billions (with a B not an M) of dollars with meager results. 

NAZI Göring was asked during the Nuremberg trials by the British judge, how the Nazi managed to get everybody following their (ill-gotten) doctrines. Without blinking an eye, Göring apparently answered, that there is nothing simpler than that and said "scare the people to death and you can do with them what you want."

I had second and third thoughts on that statement 50+ years ago when I went to school and can attest today, that Göring was spot on. So, whenever things do not really work out, if a clear message of the super powers is needed, then throw in fear. The Egyptians, Greek, Romans did it, the Middle Age was one fear-period to the next one; the 20th century saw the "perfection" of fear influx, in this part of the world with two World Wars, North Korea, Indochina, the Cambodian genocide, the Burmese genocide and we have no clue, what really happens inside the Chinese borders either. 

So take all this with the necessary grain of salt; vigilance is always good but to this day somebody needs to prove, that Covid is nothing but a highly infectious flu and has flared up every few years since the beginning of mankind; all those flu viruses originate from the corona-family - so I have been told. Common sense is the day's doctrine so act accordingly. 

100% correct...now they're throwing in an avian flu to confuse the issue to the masses. Crock of BS IMHO

[dinsdale]

3 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Yeah, I agree. But that doesn't mean you let your guard down, especially if older and in one the more at risk groups. It's kinda asking for trouble when this thing is spreading so fast. Families with elders should be more careful too, not to get infected and bring it home. I think most Thais get that - it's why many wear masks on the skytrain, MRT, and occasionally in stores.

This sounds like AI.

[anrcaccount]

1 hour ago, Chris Daley said:

But when we are eating it's okay right?  I mean as soon as the mask comes off and the fork goes up no virus contaminating the food or air?

 

So why don't we just ditch the masks and carry a lunchbox around our necks?

 

 

Covid cannot spread while eating Moo Kata or Shabu Shabu, surely everyone knows that. 

 

 

[ViajeroLA]

3 hours ago, anrcaccount said:

 

 

Covid cannot spread while eating Moo Kata or Shabu Shabu, surely everyone knows that. 

 

 

Of course! If u wore face diaper before, esp after the latest vaccine booster it just can't!

[Jack1988]

I never cared about this buls...hit. It's all invented by media and people believe that. I can easily stay at home by the way. I have all comfort, i don't need to go out. No problem 🙄😮‍💨😴

[JaxxBKK]

22 hours ago, LittleBear57 said:

Daughters school in Sattahip has told the kids to wear masks again. FFS.

 

How is life in satthahip?

[JaxxBKK]

I think a lot of women in Bangkok like to hide behind masks now.

 

Remember all the cops / mafia they got caught up in mask monopolies? Some guy getting pushed to his death over rubber gloves?

 

Genuinely feel sorry for people I see wearing masks indoors - ok, maybe outside they are avoiding pollution, but the nasty stuff gone with the rains.

 

Think they are genuinely stupid. A smart person even during height of covid should know clearly how absolutely ineffective they are.

 

Gaping holes around perimeter of mask.

 

People touching, taking mask on and off

 

Reusing mask not only minute to minute, daily but over multiple days

 

The mask itself very porous.

 

You had people on this very forum pushing masks 🙄🙄😭🤣🤣🤣

[StandardIssue]

23 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I've started wearing a mask again when I go to places with a lot of people.

Has anyone heard of a vaccine for this new strain? And if the government is planning on making it available to the public?

 

Unless one is wearing a completely sealed mask the effectiveness of wearing those common surgical masks that everyone wears is mostly for protecting others from you.

 

During COVID-19, wearing a common surgical mask offers both protection to the wearer and protection to others, but it is generally considered to be more effective at protecting others