So Long And Thanks For All The Fish - Ukraine bombs Russian Nuclear Bombers

[ChicagoExpat]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I didn't go anywhere.

Theyre overtly giving aid and money, but covertly assisting the Ukrainian forces carrying out attacks. 

It's not covert, Frank.  Openly helping Ukraine with targeting intel has been done for most of the duration thus far of Russia's third invasion.  In fact, it was for a while ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOUR SIDE ASSURED US WOULD BRING WORLD WAR 3!!!!   While you may not have gone anywhere, you definitely don't pay attention to news concerning topics you comment on.

[sharot724]

49 minutes ago, jas007 said:

If what it's worth, it sounds to me like you've been ingesting too much propaganda.  

 

Russia seems to be doing just fine, if the currency markets are any indication. The Russian Ruble has appreciated around 40% against the US dollar since the beginning of 2025.  Doesn't sound like a crumbling economy to me.  In any event, it's all relative. 

 

I don't know about potatoes. In any event, the Western nations are all but bankrupt at this point, and living on borrowed money. That's another discussion entirely, I guess, but don't think for a second that this nonsense can go on indefinitely.  

 

At this point, economics may not matter. Russian nukes are locked and loaded.  And if they go off, no one will need to worry about potatoes, the war of the ground, or who is "winning."  There will be no winners.  

Fits you perfectly these days anyways.

 

Your post

"If what it's worth, it sounds to me like you've been ingesting too much propaganda."

[jas007]

29 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

Ukraine needs support now – tightened sanctions, more financial resources and increased military support – to defend itself and Europe from Russia’s aggression. That is for the benefit of the whole Europe.

How many more sanctions can they place on Russia, at this point, and what makes you think we aren't long past the point where it makes much difference?  I realize that's the Western mindset. Sanctions, sanctions, sanctions.  money, more money, more money.  It's all a bunch of nonsense spread by spin doctors for the war machine and the central banks.  Why people don't realize that is beyond me.  

 

As for Russia threatening all of Europe?  Don't be silly.  If, as you seem to think, they can't even win a ground war against Ukraine, how are they going to suddenly take over all of Europe?  The Russians aren't stupid, and that's not what they want. They went bankrupt trying to hold the old Soviet Union together, and they won't make that mistake again.  They want a buffer zone, they want a neutral Ukraine, and they want the nonsense to stop. 

 

And of course, you gloss over the fact that perhaps it's not Russian aggression that's the root cause of the war in the first place? 

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Fits you perfectly these days anyways.

 

Your post

"If what it's worth, it sounds to me like you've been ingesting too much propaganda."

I need to start proofing my posts better, I suppose. 

[ChicagoExpat]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

That was amazing -- horseface Lavrov, mentally deficient Medvedev, and the evil dwarf himself.  I only hope his end isn't quick, with a drone.

[ChicagoExpat]

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You would risk Americans for Ukraine

 

You admire him then? A rational humanitarian he is?

 

Never said you didnt. Chicago. What part?

Prove all of it.  Or you're lying.  (I learned these sooper smart debating tactics from a sooper smart guy WHO DEFINITELY WAS NOT A RUSSIA SUPPORTER.)

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Prove all of it.  Or you're lying.  (I learned these sooper smart debating tactics from a sooper smart guy WHO DEFINITELY WAS NOT A RUSSIA SUPPORTER.)

Your words little fella, not mine. You should be proud of your fealty to Ukraine.

[Schoggibueb]

22 minutes ago, jas007 said:

They went bankrupt trying to hold the old Soviet Union together, and they won't make that mistake again.  They want a buffer zone, they want a neutral Ukraine, and they want the nonsense to stop. 

It's the economy, stupid

 

The Soviet Union's collapse in 1991 was a combination of factors, including economic stagnation, political instability, and the inability of the centralized command economy to adapt to the changing world. Key contributors included a decline in living standards compared to the West, the cost of the arms race with the United States, and the emergence of nationalist movements within the Soviet republics.

 

The "nonsense" (bombing ukrainian civilians, hospitals, deportation of children etc.pp.) can only be stopped by Putin. And Ukraine WAS neutral before Putin started the wars in 2014 and 2022.

 

Why should Ukraine be a buffer zone? It's THEIR decision how the want to live and that they want to stay a democracy. Not Putins.

 

[ChicagoExpat]

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Prove a negative?. You can point to nothing to show that I "support" Russia. I just believe in reality. Your the one in fanboy dreamland.

Fanboy dreamland is so much better than Putin toesucking dreamland.  We've got beer, pelmeni, and sushki; you've got lube, and nothing else.

[ChicagoExpat]

2 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

Why should Ukraine be a buffer zone? It's THEIR decision how the want to live and that they want to stay a democracy. Not Putins.

And at last we arrive at the real cause of all this:  Putin's insistence that he has the right to determine the course of the countries that border the Russian Empire.

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No, hes not. He is a scumbag. Russia may win the war but it will be 100 years before they are anymore than a gas station. 

finally and as much as it hurts, I do have to agree with you  555

[jas007]

23 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

It's the economy, stupid

 

The Soviet Union's collapse in 1991 was a combination of factors, including economic stagnation, political instability, and the inability of the centralized command economy to adapt to the changing world. Key contributors included a decline in living standards compared to the West, the cost of the arms race with the United States, and the emergence of nationalist movements within the Soviet republics.

 

The "nonsense" (bombing ukrainian civilians, hospitals, deportation of children etc.pp.) can only be stopped by Putin. And Ukraine WAS neutral before Putin started the wars in 2014 and 2022.

 

Why should Ukraine be a buffer zone? It's THEIR decision how the want to live and that they want to stay a democracy. Not Putins.

 

Of course, a number of factors were at play leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. And you seem to agree they were all economic, or at least most of them.  And in today's world, a Russia trying to stitch together all of Europe in a new empire would face many of the same problems, no?  As you say, it's the economy, stupid.. It's economic. And political. And for those same reasons, it won't happen today.  But it makes for scary Western propaganda.  Stop Putin in his tracks before he takes over all of Europe!  

 

As for why Ukraine should be a buffer zone?  Because, in the real world, it's within the Russian sphere of influence, it always has been, and it always will be. That's the reality. Different, perhaps, from the Western Neocon fantasyland, but reality, nonetheless.   

 

In any event, count me in as one of the people who strongly believes that gambling with the future of the human race based on an assumption that Putin is just bluffing and that Russia has no right to address matters of strategic importance, is not a good idea.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy.

 

I'm not sure what they're thinking. Gambling with the human race  is a bad idea.  For sure, people make money by wayof the war machine.  And the corruption is beyond belief. 

 

Only a few profit.  Everyone else pays. Perhaps with their lives.

 

The war machine makes money. The corrupt politicians make money. The banking system makes money. And if they lose their bet, it's over for everyone. 

 

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, nick supreme said:

How is the Kerch Bridge today? 

closed for/to any traffic  555

[Schoggibueb]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

s for why Ukraine should be a buffer zone?  Because, in the real world, it's within the Russian sphere of influence, it always has been, and it always will be. That's the reality. Different, perhaps, from the Western Neocon fantasyland, but reality, nonetheless.

I have no idea in what kind of a reality you are. But thats not the reality. Ukraine was - and still is - an independant country. That's the reality since 24th August 1991.

 

So just stick with the facts, and not with russian propaganda.

[jas007]

37 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

I have no idea in what kind of a reality you are. But thats not the reality. Ukraine was - and still is - an independant country. That's the reality since 24th August 1991.

 

So just stick with the facts, and not with russian propaganda.

So, it's your opinion that, in the real world, there's no such thing as a sphere of influence?  And that anyone who thinks so is somehow spouting Russian propaganda?

 

What do you think would happen if Russia or China were to place offensive weapons along the Mexican Border, or along the Canadian border?  Do. you think the USA would say "Oh well, those are independent countries"?  Of course not. That kind of military presence wouldn't be tolerated.  Not for one day. 

 

What do you think would happen if Russia or China smuggled a bunch of specialized trucks and drones into the USA and then attacked US B-52 bombers and other strategic assets with the drones?  Do you think the USA would sit back, be patient, and wait to see what was next on the agenda?  Or would the retaliation already be underway?  

 

So yes, Ukraine is an independent country.  And in the real world and within the Russian sphere of influence, the question is "so what"?  

 

Don't think for a second that Russia has no right to address matters of strategic importance which might be an existential threat. Take a look at the codified Russian nuclear doctrine. That's not "propaganda."  That's reality, and last time I heard, Russia has thousands of nukes which they can and may well use if need be. 

 

So, independent country or not, parts of what were once Ukraine are now part of Russia.  And it may be too late for much of a settlement favorable to Ukraine. 

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

finally and as much as it hurts, I do have to agree with you  555

Finally and as much as it hurts I do finally have to say you are right

[3NUMBAS]

https://sluggerotoole.com/2025/06/03/how-ukraine-outsmarted-russia-with-garage-tech-and-changed-the-face-of-war/
 

 

a stunnning hit on Russian hardware

[ChicagoExpat]

59 minutes ago, transam said:

Says someone calling himself "Yagoda".................

 

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Genrikh-Grigoryevich-Yagoda........😉

Holy crap.  He put it out there for all to see.  I'm embarrassed I didn't pick up on it.  The guy WHO DEFINITELY DOES NOT SUPPORT RUSSIA chose the former head of the Soviet secret police as his avatar.  Another sign he DEFINITELY DOES NOT SUPPORT RUSSIA.  Fun fact:  When I lived in Moscow I lived close to Lavrenty Beria's place -- another guy I'm sure our friend here admires.

[ChicagoExpat]

23 minutes ago, jas007 said:

So, it's your opinion that, in the real world, there's no such thing as a sphere of influence?  And that anyone who thinks so is somehow spouting Russian propaganda?

 

What do you think would happen if Russia or China were to place offensive weapons along the Mexican Border, or along the Canadian border?  Do. you think the USA would say "Oh well, those are independent countries"?  Of course not. That kind of military presence wouldn't be tolerated.  Not for one day. 

 

What do you think would happen if Russia or China smuggled a bunch of specialized trucks and drones into the USA and then attacked US B-52 bombers and other strategic assets with the drones?  Do you think the USA would sit back, be patient, and wait to see what was next on the agenda?  Or would the retaliation already be underway?  

 

So yes, Ukraine is an independent country.  And in the real world and within the Russian sphere of influence, the question is "so what"?  

 

Don't think for a second that Russia has no right to address matters of strategic importance which might be an existential threat. Take a look at the codified Russian nuclear doctrine. That's not "propaganda."  That's reality, and last time I heard, Russia has thousands of nukes which they can and may well use if need be. 

 

So, independent country or not, parts of what were once Ukraine are now part of Russia.  And it may be too late for much of a settlement favorable to Ukraine. 

Nuke threats!!   >>DRINK<<

[3NUMBAS]

Russian army disaster as £259m spy plane confirmed shot down in humiliating blow for Putin

express.co.uk

another spy plane lost 

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

finally and as much as it hurts, I do have to agree with you  555

Except he doesn't believe it himself.

[Schoggibueb]

32 minutes ago, jas007 said:

So, it's your opinion that, in the real world, there's no such thing as a sphere of influence?  And that anyone who thinks so is somehow spouting Russian propaganda?

 

What do you think would happen if Russia or China were to place offensive weapons along the Mexican Border, or along the Canadian border?  Do. you think the USA would say "Oh well, those are independent countries"?  Of course not. That kind of military presence wouldn't be tolerated.  Not for one day. 

 

What do you think would happen if Russia or China smuggled a bunch of specialized trucks and drones into the USA and then attacked US B-52 bombers and other strategic assets with the drones?  Do you think the USA would sit back, be patient, and wait to see what was next on the agenda?  Or would the retaliation already be underway?  

 

So yes, Ukraine is an independent country.  And in the real world and within the Russian sphere of influence, the question is "so what"?  

 

Don't think for a second that Russia has no right to address matters of strategic importance which might be an existential threat. Take a look at the codified Russian nuclear doctrine. That's not "propaganda."  That's reality, and last time I heard, Russia has thousands of nukes which they can and may well use if need be. 

 

So, independent country or not, parts of what were once Ukraine are now part of Russia.  And it may be too late for much of a settlement favorable to Ukraine. 

Lots of letters rowed in lines and most of it is of whataboutism.

 

Lets keep it simple. In your oppinion - and that is clear russian propaganda - the bully (russia) has all the rights to take what he wants to because he has nuclear weapons. And the rest of the world shall nod their heads and say - sure go and take it.

 

Thats not how it works. But you will find out that the ideas of Putin will not have success. Even all of his bots try to hammer it into the heads by repeating the same bulls excrement again and again. Worldwide in many threads.

 

I just have to repeat myself -> boring.

 

[LosLobo]

35 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Russian army disaster as £259m spy plane confirmed shot down in humiliating blow for Putin

express.co.uk

another spy plane lost 

 

Russia started the war with just 6 to 9 A-50 AEW&C aircraft — vital for coordinating missile strikes, bomber missions, and air defense. These aircraft are rare, slow to replace, and crew training takes years.
 

As of June 2025, up to five A-50s are believed lost or disabled, with varying levels of confirmation:

1. Feb 2023 – A-50U damaged/destroyed at Machulishchy airbase, Belarus (visual satellite evidence, no Kremlin admission)

2. Early 2023 – A-50U reportedly lost (widely cited in independent sources, unconfirmed officially)

3. Jan 2025 – A-50U shot down over Sea of Azov (confirmation made public in June 2025 via pilot’s wife ; crew presumed dead)

4. June 2025 – A-50U hit in Ukrainian drone strike on Russian bomber base (credible reports)

5. June 2025 – Second A-50U reportedly hit in same drone strike (claimed by Ukrainian sources)

If all remaining aircraft are intact, Russia may still have 1–4 operational A-50s.

Even in the best case, this is a major blow to Russia’s airborne command capability.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Holy crap.  He put it out there for all to see.  I'm embarrassed I didn't pick up on it.  The guy WHO DEFINITELY DOES NOT SUPPORT RUSSIA chose the former head of the Soviet secret police as his avatar.  Another sign he DEFINITELY DOES NOT SUPPORT RUSSIA.  Fun fact:  When I lived in Moscow I lived close to Lavrenty Beria's place -- another guy I'm sure our friend here admires.

Haha wrong ethnicity.

[candide]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

So, it's your opinion that, in the real world, there's no such thing as a sphere of influence?  And that anyone who thinks so is somehow spouting Russian propaganda?

 

What do you think would happen if Russia or China were to place offensive weapons along the Mexican Border, or along the Canadian border?  Do. you think the USA would say "Oh well, those are independent countries"?  Of course not. That kind of military presence wouldn't be tolerated.  Not for one day. 

 

What do you think would happen if Russia or China smuggled a bunch of specialized trucks and drones into the USA and then attacked US B-52 bombers and other strategic assets with the drones?  Do you think the USA would sit back, be patient, and wait to see what was next on the agenda?  Or would the retaliation already be underway?  

 

So yes, Ukraine is an independent country.  And in the real world and within the Russian sphere of influence, the question is "so what"?  

 

Don't think for a second that Russia has no right to address matters of strategic importance which might be an existential threat. Take a look at the codified Russian nuclear doctrine. That's not "propaganda."  That's reality, and last time I heard, Russia has thousands of nukes which they can and may well use if need be. 

 

So, independent country or not, parts of what were once Ukraine are now part of Russia.  And it may be too late for much of a settlement favorable to Ukraine. 

False equivalences.

 

Mexico or Canada would not place offensive weapons near the border because they are not invaded or threatened by the U.S. (Trump is actually threatening them but everyone knows he's talking B.S.)

 

The U.S. or other NATO countries did not smuggle trucks and drones to Russia. Ukraine has done it without their help and didn't need it. Actually, it seems they have been bought and assembled in Russia. 

[BLMFem]

4 hours ago, jas007 said:

And of course, you gloss over the fact that perhaps it's not Russian aggression that's the root cause of the war in the first place? 

Nothing to gloss over. Russia attacked Ukraine.

Case closed.

[sharot724]

On 6/2/2025 at 10:52 AM, Cameroni said:

 

For the record, I fully, unequivocally and in total moral conviction support Russia in this war, which was deceived, lied to and is merely protecting its national interest.

 

Ukraine cheated, whilst its electricity and gas bills were paid by Russia she jumped into bed with hansum man USA and then did a gangbang with the EU and the USA. 

 

Russia has the full and total right to wage war on Ukraine. I fully spport Russia and Putin in this war against Ukraine.

You sound very sick and best to just ignore you staying ill.

[nick supreme]

4 hours ago, jas007 said:

 

 

And of course, you gloss over the fact that perhaps it's not Russian aggression that's the root cause of the war in the first place? 

 

You seem to gloss over the fact that it was Russia who invaded Ukraine 

[nick supreme]

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

Of course, a number of factors were at play leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. And you seem to agree they were all economic, or at least most of them.  And in today's world, a Russia trying to stitch together all of Europe in a new empire would face many of the same problems, no?  As you say, it's the economy, stupid.. It's economic. And political. And for those same reasons, it won't happen today.  But it makes for scary Western propaganda.  Stop Putin in his tracks before he takes over all of Europe!  

 

As for why Ukraine should be a buffer zone?  Because, in the real world, it's within the Russian sphere of influence, it always has been, and it always will be. That's the reality. Different, perhaps, from the Western Neocon fantasyland, but reality, nonetheless.   

 

In any event, count me in as one of the people who strongly believes that gambling with the future of the human race based on an assumption that Putin is just bluffing and that Russia has no right to address matters of strategic importance, is not a good idea.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy.

 

I'm not sure what they're thinking. Gambling with the human race  is a bad idea.  For sure, people make money by wayof the war machine.  And the corruption is beyond belief. 

 

Only a few profit.  Everyone else pays. Perhaps with their lives.

 

The war machine makes money. The corrupt politicians make money. The banking system makes money. And if they lose their bet, it's over for everyone. 

 

If this your way of admit that Putin is a mad man, and danger to global peace? 

[metisdead]

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