Fun Quiz > Covid-19 mRNA Vax harm denial - At which stage are you?

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Even when armed with airtight, independently verified, peer-reviewed studies

Like this ......

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/Lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext

Statement in support of the scientists, public health professionals, and medical professionals of China combatting COVID-19 We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture

 

I don't think you understand what "airtight, independently verified, peer-reviewed studies" means... 

 

As there have been no airtight, independently verified, peer-reviewed investigations as to the origins of SARS-CoV-2...   I agree with you (if thats your stance) that the statements made in Nature.com and The Lancet are flawed for their lack of evidence and investigation - China specifically has withheld information.

[Red Phoenix]

30 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I've been saying this for ages. This spike will settle down as infections spread and people gain natural immunity to reinfection. Got the thumbs down from some on here when I posted this on previous occasions and I wouldn't be surprised if your were one of them.

True but that only applies to the non-jabbed. 

The Covid-19 mRNA jabbed have seriously harmed or even destroyed their innate immune system, and are now prone to suffer from continual infections that their body cannot overcome anymore. 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

True but that only applies to the non-jabbed. 

The Covid-19 mRNA jabbed have seriously harmed or even destroyed their innate immune system, and are now prone to suffer from continual infections that their body cannot overcome anymore. 

Or not

[Stiddle Mump]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You must be kidding, very drunk or very stupid. Maybe all three.

Why is that Sir. Because you do not agree.

 

There are only a few things that make us ill. Less that 10 for sure. And if you think viruses, then I suggest you look up 'www.canyoucatchacold.com and go to Dr Andrew Kaufman's vid on what C-19 was.

 

As David Parker said; "What you thought you knew about disease is wrong." And he should know. He spent 10 years researching that.

 

The truth is out there for all to see. If one has the will and the eyes.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

[transam]

11 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Vade retro Transman 👺

Yes, you could take up what ever that is and become a Transman, well done, better that harping on about Covid year after year with your twin Blue Sphinx....Eh.....

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, FlorC said:

VAERS  database is usually under reported. 

But ok , you believe what you want to believe.

 

 

Overreported or underreported, NONE of the VAERS numbers, on their own, represent any actual evidence or medical finding that the vaccine CAUSED the side effect being reported.

 

I could report to VAERS that my brother died from a COVID vaccine, when I don't even have a brother, or if I did, he might never have been vaccinated.  But my report would still be there in VAERS as a "report"!  And you'd be posting a meaningless, misleading chart about it.

 

Confusion Over VAERS: Why the Vaccine Safety Reporting System Should Be Renamed

 

"Anyone can submit a report to VAERS. The presence of a report in VAERS does not mean it is vaccine-caused. As noted in the Annenberg report, the CDC says VAERS reports “may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.”

 

To illustrate this point, one doctor famously reported to VAERS that after getting a flu shot, “his skin turned green, his muscles grew and he started having rage problems,” signs that he may have been turning into the Marvel Comics superhero the Incredible Hulk. That report was flagged for its unusual nature, investigated, and removed with the doctor’s consent.

 

https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/confusion-over-vaers-why-the-vaccine-safety-reporting-system-should-be-renamed/

 

 

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Why is that Sir. Because you do not agree.

 

There are only a few things that make us ill. Less that 10 for sure. And if you think viruses, then I suggest you look up 'www.canyoucatchacold.com and go to Dr Andrew Kaufman's vid on what C-19 was.

 

As David Parker said; "What you thought you knew about disease is wrong." And he should know. He spent 10 years researching that.

 

The truth is out there for all to see. If one has the will and the eyes.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

Quite a few more than 10..........https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35902319/

[rumak]

54 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So if excess deaths, myocarditis in young males, turbo cancers  have risen  since 2021 and the only difference in day to day life between 21 or previous years was a world wide vaccines.... would you think its climate change or think logically that it could possibly be those very same vaccines?

 

It's Trump !!

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Why is that Sir. Because you do not agree.

 

There are only a few things that make us ill. Less that 10 for sure. And if you think viruses, then I suggest you look up 'www.canyoucatchacold.com and go to Dr Andrew Kaufman's vid on what C-19 was.

 

As David Parker said; "What you thought you knew about disease is wrong." And he should know. He spent 10 years researching that.

 

The truth is out there for all to see. If one has the will and the eyes.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

And more if we look at other species...........https://virology.ws/2013/09/06/how-many-viruses-on-earth/

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Why is that Sir. Because you do not agree.

 

There are only a few things that make us ill. Less that 10 for sure. And if you think viruses, then I suggest you look up 'www.canyoucatchacold.com and go to Dr Andrew Kaufman's vid on what C-19 was.

 

As David Parker said; "What you thought you knew about disease is wrong." And he should know. He spent 10 years researching that.

 

The truth is out there for all to see. If one has the will and the eyes.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

What is Dr. Andrew Kaufman scientific background and training ??

 

Is he a Virologist or a medically trained professional ?? 

...  Or, is he a psychiatrist and self-proclaimed medical theorist known for promoting controversial and widely debunked views on infectious diseases ??

 

It seems this fruit-cake is your only source of information in all of your Anti-vax threads.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I don't think you understand what "airtight, independently verified, peer-reviewed studies" means... 

 

As there have been no airtight, independently verified, peer-reviewed investigations as to the origins of SARS-CoV-2...   I agree with you (if thats your stance) that the statements made in Nature.com and The Lancet are flawed for their lack of evidence and investigation - China specifically has withheld information.

I am fully aware of what independent science is. You'll now notice that true independent studies have a disclaimer claiming no conflict of interest i.e. not financed in relation to this topic by big pharma. The articles in both Nature and The Lancet were not just flawed they were, according to the majority view, wrong and pushed the conspiracy theory narrative which was so firmly embraced by many on here even resulting in the censoring of any posts that said it was a lab leak.

[Stiddle Mump]

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Quite a few more than 10..........https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35902319/

They are wrong. Why are you quoting such biased and compromised entities?

 

If it's OK with the OP, I'll tell you precisely what causes illness.

[JackGats]

I think the OP got a rare nasty side-effect from the Covid vaccines. The vaccines affected his brain so that he turned into an anti-vax bot. This is one the most vicious side-effects from covid vaccines known to date.

[Stiddle Mump]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

What is Dr. Andrew Kaufman scientific background and training ??

 

Is he a Virologist or a medically trained professional ?? 

...  Or, is he a psychiatrist and self-proclaimed medical theorist known for promoting controversial and widely debunked views on infectious diseases ??

 

It seems this fruit-cake is your only source of information in all of your Anti-vax threads.

You give the impression Richard that you know so much. In fact you are simply a parrot for the MSM.

 

I was publicly debating vaccines, and the poisons that they had within them, back in the 1990s. Before I'd ever heard of Dr Kaufman.

 

However! What I like about Dr Kaufman's lectures, podcasts etc,, is his stickler for the truth. If it's not true; then it can't be build upon. Show us the truth. Show us the evidence. Difficult for virologists that; cause there aint any.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, dinsdale said:

I am fully aware of what independent science is. You'll now notice that true independent studies have a disclaimer claiming no conflict of interest i.e. not financed in relation to this topic by big pharma. The articles in both Nature and The Lancet were not just flawed they were, according to the majority view, wrong and pushed the conspiracy theory narrative which was so firmly embraced by many on here even resulting in the censoring of any posts that said it was a lab leak.

 

Valid points - I agree. I recall the extensive discussion surrounding the Lab Leak theory, and I myself contributed to those discussions back in 2021. Those posts and the wider conversation were active for several months, as did many others and they still remain visible. 

 

However, none of this alters the fundamental realities of vaccination or its proven effectiveness, regardless of the method by which the vaccine is delivered.

 

 

 

 

 

[fredwiggy]

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

They are wrong. Why are you quoting such biased and compromised entities?

 

If it's OK with the OP, I'll tell you precisely what causes illness.

 

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

They are wrong. Why are you quoting such biased and compromised entities?

 

If it's OK with the OP, I'll tell you precisely what causes illness.

I tend to listen to medical experts who do this for a living, more than one, before I decide what is truth or not, instead of someone who goes by other's opinions and makes up his mind using that and their own ideas. Like others here who have replied, and obviously have been taught or learned on their own, I have learned by reading, and seeing I've been into the health lifestyle all my life, also go by proven methods.

 

This is why I've followed a healthy diet all my life, and the only thing that set me back was the H Pylori infection I got living here, likely from the water. It can cause stomach or intestinal cancer, and it, like so many other diseases, is only cured by antibiotics, at least as far as medical science is concerned up to now. Those meds hurt your gut microbiome, one of the most important systems we have, killing all bacteria, good and bad, and it can take up to 2 years to get it back to normal, even doing everything known to help your gut. Biased is what you've been listening to. Other's opinions instead of research and studies.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

What is Dr. Andrew Kaufman scientific background and training ??

 

Is he a Virologist or a medically trained professional ?? 

...  Or, is he a psychiatrist and self-proclaimed medical theorist known for promoting controversial and widely debunked views on infectious diseases ??

 

It seems this fruit-cake is your only source of information in all of your Anti-vax threads.

 

This is the fruitcake you're talking about above:

 

The Psychiatrist Who Calmly Denies Reality

Dr. Andrew Kaufman made the rounds in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic by claiming the virus did not exist. Now, he leads anti-maskers in public demonstrations and tells hundreds of thousands of YouTube users that everything they know about medicine is wrong

 

...

- Dr. Andrew Kaufman, a psychiatrist essentially turned naturopath, has become very popular on YouTube for denying the existence of the coronavirus

- He claims the coronavirus is instead an exosome, a natural transport vehicle made by our cells, and while exosomes do have some similarities to viruses, there is undeniable evidence that the coronavirus exists

- Dr. Kaufman is part of a conspiracy movement that believes the pandemic is being manufactured to take away people’s rights, and his calm and confident demeanour can appear very convincing even when he makes outrageous claims like that appendicitis is simply constipation"

 

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/psychiatrist-who-calmly-denies-reality

 

 

[fredwiggy]

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You give the impression Richard that you know so much. In fact you are simply a parrot for the MSM.

 

I was publicly debating vaccines, and the poisons that they had within them, back in the 1990s. Before I'd ever heard of Dr Kaufman.

 

However! What I like about Dr Kaufman's lectures, podcasts etc,, is his stickler for the truth. If it's not true; then it can't be build upon. Show us the truth. Show us the evidence. Difficult for virologists that; cause there aint any.

So you've been talking like this on other forums in the 1990's, likely going then by other's opinions and disregarding all the science that's gone into disease study? Remember, having a DR. in front of your name doesn't mean you're right about everything. History has proven that by how many "doctors" have killed people by over prescribing. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

My grandmother left me a wonderful fruitcake recipe some years back.

 

If I had known today was going to be fruitcake day at the forum here, I would have brought some cake for everyone, or, well, at least for certain posters here!!!

 

 

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Quite a few more than 10..........https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35902319/

They are wrong. Why are you quoting such biased and compromised entities?

 

If it's OK with the OP, I'll tell you precisely what causes illness.

 

PubMed - which you stated as a wrong, biased and compromised entity is a site managed by the U.S. National Library of Medicine and the National Center for Biotechnology Information... Its widely regarded as a highly reliable and authoritative source for scientific and medical information.... Providing access to a vast database of peer-reviewed research articles, clinical studies, and reviews from reputable journals worldwide.

 

Researchers, healthcare professionals, and policymakers frequently use PubMed to find credible, evidence-based information.

 

You on the other hand imply this is all wrong, biased and compromised....    So, perhaps its best to start with explaining what the cause of your mental illness may be.... 

 

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You give the impression Richard that you know so much. In fact you are simply a parrot for the MSM.

 

I was publicly debating vaccines, and the poisons that they had within them, back in the 1990s. Before I'd ever heard of Dr Kaufman.

 

However! What I like about Dr Kaufman's lectures, podcasts etc,, is his stickler for the truth. If it's not true; then it can't be build upon. Show us the truth. Show us the evidence. Difficult for virologists that; cause there aint any.

 

A great site to start your journey towards truth re Vaxes and Viruses > https://viroliegy.com/

 

[transam]

Just now, Red Phoenix said:

 

A great site to start your journey towards truth re Vaxes and Viruses > https://viroliegy.com/

 

You're nuts.............🤪

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You give the impression Richard that you know so much. In fact you are simply a parrot for the MSM.

 

I was publicly debating vaccines, and the poisons that they had within them, back in the 1990s. Before I'd ever heard of Dr Kaufman.

 

However! What I like about Dr Kaufman's lectures, podcasts etc,, is his stickler for the truth. If it's not true; then it can't be build upon. Show us the truth. Show us the evidence. Difficult for virologists that; cause there aint any.

 

... anyone who disagrees with your insanely idiotic delusion is just a “parrot” for the mainstream media?

Wow, what a tired, flimsy excuse for an argument. “I don’t believe the conspiracists, so you’re an MSM parrot”  is what you are saying... the sheer idiocy of that non-sequitur defies belief.

 

Meanwhile, you’re the real gem - a full-on anti-vax zealot regurgitating neurotic, debunked quackery straight from the bottom-feeders of pseudoscience websites. You tout “your own research” that somehow contradicts the entire global consensus of millions of trained medical professionals and virologists who’ve actually studied the science firsthand.

 

Apparently, you and a tiny clique of like-minded fantasists are the enlightened few - and the countless experts who dedicate their lives to medicine are all just hopelessly wrong. Not me - them.

 

 

You've claimed viruses do not exist. Then you've contradicted yourself and claimed 'pathogenic viruses don't exist'...  

 

 

his endless, circular dance is utterly pathetic. I’m here solely to challenge the ridiculous and dangerous claims you make—because people like you actively pose a public health hazard with the neurotic, ill-informed, anti-authoritarian, and delusional misinformation you peddle.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

You're nuts.............🤪

Nuts are good for you!  

[dinsdale]

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I tend to listen to medical experts who do this for a living, more than one, before I decide what is truth or not, instead of someone who goes by other's opinions and makes up his mind using that and their own ideas.

There are medical experts and then there are medical experts or their departments reliant on big pharma funding. This is at the crux of the what "real science" is debate and why attitudes have shifted so dramatically away from trusting said "real science". Some unfortunately still live with eyes and minds closed to what has taken place instead holding onto what MSM for example states to be the truth. The narrative was pushed hard, censorship was put in place and some have not, cannot or will not see past this narrative.

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

10 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

A great site to start your journey towards truth re Vaxes and Viruses > https://viroliegy.com/

 

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You're nuts.............🤪

 

When people start using such terms as...  Viroliegy, Covidiot, Plandemic, Sheeple, Maskhole, Fauci Flu, Nano-poison etc.... just highlights the neurotic idiocy surrounding such sources and posters... 

 

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

There are medical experts and then there are medical experts or their departments reliant on big pharma funding. This is at the crux of the what "real science" is debate and why attitudes have shifted so dramatically away from trusting said "real science". Some unfortunately still live with eyes and minds closed to what has taken place instead holding onto what MSM for example states to be the truth. The narrative was pushed hard, censorship was put in place and some have not, cannot or will not see past this narrative.

That's why you read all you can on a subject and decide for yourself, after looking at the facts and no opinions. I also want to know what these vaccines can do, as I've had four. I don't see any obvious side effects, but everyone's a little different in health habits, lifestyle, genetics and age. No one ever knows if they really need a vaccine until they die from a certain disease, one that could have been avoided by taking that vaccine. I trust very few until they're proven, as money can buy anything. 

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

This is the fruitcake you're talking about above:

 

The Psychiatrist Who Calmly Denies Reality

Dr. Andrew Kaufman made the rounds in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic by claiming the virus did not exist. Now, he leads anti-maskers in public demonstrations and tells hundreds of thousands of YouTube users that everything they know about medicine is wrong

 

...

- Dr. Andrew Kaufman, a psychiatrist essentially turned naturopath, has become very popular on YouTube for denying the existence of the coronavirus

- He claims the coronavirus is instead an exosome, a natural transport vehicle made by our cells, and while exosomes do have some similarities to viruses, there is undeniable evidence that the coronavirus exists

- Dr. Kaufman is part of a conspiracy movement that believes the pandemic is being manufactured to take away people’s rights, and his calm and confident demeanour can appear very convincing even when he makes outrageous claims like that appendicitis is simply constipation"

 

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/psychiatrist-who-calmly-denies-reality

 

 

A complete loon who’s somehow rallied a cult of equally deranged followers.

 

Before COVID, we had the usual cast of neurotic doomsday preppers and tin-foil hatters. COVID-19 has merely handed these crackpots a fresh obsession to spiral into full-blown madness over.

[transam]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

When people start using such terms as...  Viroliegy, Covidiot, Plandemic, Sheeple, Maskhole, Fauci Flu, Nano-poison etc.... just highlights the neurotic idiocy surrounding such sources and posters... 

 

Indeed....I recall on another forum a bloke was removed for spouting the same sort of cr@p, it turned out he was a member of an anti-vax 'cult', something like that..........

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That's why you read all you can on a subject and decide for yourself, after looking at the facts and no opinions. I also want to know what these vaccines can do, as I've had four. I don't see any obvious side effects, but everyone's a little different in health habits, lifestyle, genetics and age. No one ever knows if they really need a vaccine until they die from a certain disease, one that could have been avoided by taking that vaccine. I trust very few until they're proven, as money can buy anything. 

Alas in the beginning of this the ability to post actual supported evidence on here for example was restricted to only that which supported the narrative and any challenge to the narrative would come with a barrage "your a conspiracy theorist" (still happens even now) or posts removed.