I Have Changed My Mind Since Oct 7 Terror Attack, Have You?

[fredwiggy]

55 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I have believed from day one that Israel should not stop until Hamas has been obliterated.  While the tactics may sound horrendous, no one has a solution to on how to stop the evil Hamas.

The U.S. lost in Iraq and Afghanistan because of "rules of engagement."  Israel does not intend to make the same mistake.

The US didn't lose the Iraq war.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, SamSaraburi said:

I used to think the same.

The ambassador says there is a solution. Let all hostages go and give Palestine a State.

Palestinians want a State. So do Israelis.

 

Problem is, Hamas and Al Fatah before it have never acknowledged the right of Israel to exist.

 

Why would Israel give Palestinians statehood, for nothing in return? A few hostages is not a solution.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Israel should have turned them to dust.

The USA should stay out of it

Fat chance of that happening.  But then again, isn't that what AIPAC is all about?  Lobby the government, get America to so their dirty work. Some people thinks it's genocide.

 

I try not to dwell on the nonsense. It's a problem that goes back thousands of years.  

 

At this point, Israel has all the US arms it needs.  Let them do what they want from here on out.  

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

No, the main man who represents Palestine is Abbas, nice try but huge fail.

 

Palestinian president urges Hamas to lay down arms

RAMALLAH, April 23 (Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called on Hamas on Wednesday to lay down arms and hand the running of Gaza to his Palestinian Authority, part of efforts to answer international doubts over the authority's role at a key moment for the region.
Abbas was speaking at a leadership council where he is expected this week to name a successor amid pressure from Western and Arab powers concerned about the PA's ability to play a viable-long term role in peace efforts.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-president-urges-hamas-hand-over-its-arms-2025-04-23/

You have devoted a lot of time researching everything Gaza.

From a historical standpoint to a modern day perspective.

The Op is relatively new to the back & forth , I think !

Hamas using human shields , lying & misleading accounts of events, surly confused many.

And now  they/ them putting the blame on Bibi.

 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 hours ago, SamSaraburi said:

I used to think the same.

The ambassador says there is a solution. Let all hostages go and give Palestine a State.

 

   The people holding the hostages need to be bought to justice .

Israel needs to arrest the people involved , put them all on trial for war crimes and pass sentence of found to be guilty .

   There must be thousands involved who need to have a Court hearing 

[GanDoonToonPet]

13 hours ago, SamSaraburi said:

The Palestinian ambassador, who is not a member of Hamas, he represents Palestine. He talks of Hamas being one of many political parties. Well worth taking the time to watch.

 

High ranking member of Fatah and the PLO. The only difference between them and Hamas, in Gaza, is that Hamas slaughtered them first.

[quake]

No.

Carry on Israel.

Crush the Hamas and there supporters.

[Unamerican]

18 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

They have the ability to do it without us.

Who is this “us”???

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Unamerican said:

Who is this “us”???

United States (US) 

[SLOWHAND225]

45 minutes ago, Unamerican said:

Who is this “us”???

Read it again. Simple to understand if you give it even a small thought

[SamSaraburi]

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The people holding the hostages need to be bought to justice .

Israel needs to arrest the people involved , put them all on trial for war crimes and pass sentence of found to be guilty .

   There must be thousands involved who need to have a Court hearing 

The Palestinian ambassador to the UK in the interview called the administrative detainees “hostages”. Prisoners or hostages in both sides have to be released, do you agree?

 

In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge)

 

above is from Wikipedia 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody

 

also they are mistreated and tortured

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, SamSaraburi said:

The Palestinian ambassador to the UK in the interview called the administrative detainees “hostages”. Prisoners or hostages in both sides have to be released, do you agree?

 

In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge)

 

above is from Wikipedia 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody

There are only one set of hostages stop being such a Hamas apologist trying to make a false equivalence. Its vile rhetoric

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, SamSaraburi said:

The Palestinian ambassador to the UK in the interview called the administrative detainees “hostages”. Prisoners or hostages in both sides have to be released, do you agree?

 

In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge)

 

above is from Wikipedia 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody

The children being 16 and over, yes? 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, SamSaraburi said:

The Palestinian ambassador to the UK in the interview called the administrative detainees “hostages”. Prisoners or hostages in both sides have to be released, do you agree?

 

In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons – including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge)

 

above is from Wikipedia 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody

 

   No, the Palestinian prisoners being held in Israeli jails are for crimes committed .

   They have been tried in Court and been given jail time for their crimes . The hostages in Gaza haven't committed any crimes .

   Dont you know the difference between a convicted criminal and a hostage ?

 

[Kinnock]

My view in October was that both sides are wrong - so no, I've not changed my view.

 

[SamSaraburi]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There are only one set of hostages stop being such a Hamas apologist trying to make a false equivalence. Its vile rhetoric

I said the ambassador to the UK called them hostages. You are very quick to slander anyone pointing out Israeli crimes. Try for a second to see it from both sides Do you think it’s OK  to detain people with no trial?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/29/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinians-detention-and-available-swap

[SamSaraburi]

Just now, Kinnock said:

My view in October was that both sides are wrong - so no, I've not changed my view.

 

Thanks for the reply.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, SamSaraburi said:

I said the ambassador to the UK called them hostages. You are very quick to slander anyone pointing out Israeli crimes. Try for a second to see it from both sides Do you think it’s OK  to detain people with no trial?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/29/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinians-detention-and-available-swap

No you said:

13 minutes ago, SamSaraburi said:

The Palestinian ambassador to the UK in the interview called the administrative detainees “hostages”. Prisoners or hostages in both sides have to be released, do you agree?

 

There should never be conditions set for the release of innocent hostages. That is a vile and terrorist supporting stance.

[SamSaraburi]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, the Palestinian prisoners being held in Israeli jails are for crimes committed .

   They have been tried in Court and been given jail time for their crimes . The hostages in Gaza haven't committed any crimes .

   Dont you know the difference between a convicted criminal and a hostage ?

 

As you don’t understand what administrative detainee means.

 

https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention

In administrative detention, a person is held without trial without having committed an offense, on the grounds that he or she plans to break the law in the future. As this measure is supposed to be preventive, it has no time limit. The person is detained without legal proceedings, by order of the regional military commander, based on classified evidence that is not revealed to them. This leaves the detainees helpless – facing unknown allegations with no way to disprove them, not knowing when they will be released, and without being charged, tried or convicted.

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, SamSaraburi said:

As you don’t understand what administrative detainee means.

 

https://www.btselem.org/administrative_detention

In administrative detention, a person is held without trial without having committed an offense, on the grounds that he or she plans to break the law in the future. As this measure is supposed to be preventive, it has no time limit. The person is detained without legal proceedings, by order of the regional military commander, based on classified evidence that is not revealed to them. This leaves the detainees helpless – facing unknown allegations with no way to disprove them, not knowing when they will be released, and without being charged, tried or convicted.

 

The last release of 6 innocent hostages by Hamas in return for criminals and terrorists being held by Israel.

 

 151 had been sentenced to life or long sentences for involvement in deadly attacks against Israelis. Forty-three were to be returned to the occupied West Bank and east Jerusalem, while 97 were to be sent into exile.

Around 500 others had been detained in Gaza after Hamas’ attack on Oct. 7, 2023, which sparked the war.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-prisoner-release-hamas-ceasefire-hostage-3a20774bb4b519e852273ec559687b3b

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, SamSaraburi said:

As you don’t understand what administrative detainee means.

 

   I was replying to your post of :

 

 "Prisoners or hostages in both sides have to be released, do you agree?"

 

   administrivie detainees were not being discussed .

[zz4096]

Yes, I have changed my mind since October 7th. My initial reaction was that Israel should try and exercise a little bit of restraint (think that have been doing). Now I say that should take the gloves off and grind their bones into dust. Adopt the Hamas charter but just change the names around.

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@SamSaraburi another troll baiting post has been removed.

[SamSaraburi]

2 minutes ago, zz4096 said:

Yes, I have changed my mind since October 7th. My initial reaction was that Israel should try and exercise a little bit of restraint (think that have been doing). Now I say that should take the gloves off and grind their bones into dust. Adopt the Hamas charter but just change the names around.

What made you change your mind?

you are the opposite of most people I know, also some of Israel’s allies

[Social Media]

Nothing but a trolling topic

 

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