Accident Crane Collapse at 67-Storey Condo Site in Pattaya, Construction Halted Immediately

[JJ-Thailand]

7 hours ago, henryford1958 said:

Must be the Grand Solaire on Thappraya Road. Crazy to build these monster condos, 67 stories and 2,500 rooms. Imagine what the traffic will be like when it's finished.

Eventually Pattaya will turn into a ghost town. 

[newnative]

1 hour ago, IrishInThailand said:

Some size of a condo. Is that the one opposite APEX ?  Are they good value ? Are they hotel room size ? 

AXIS, not APEX.  

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, henryford1958 said:

Must be the Grand Solaire on Thappraya Road. Crazy to build these monster condos, 67 stories and 2,500 rooms. Imagine what the traffic will be like when it's finished.

6 hours ago, kinyara said:

Given the traffic levels around the lights at the Pratumnak intersection if the crane had toppled in that direction it could have been carnage.

 

I'm presuming there has been zero thought by the powers that be to the absolute traffic gridlock that is going to result when that condo is finished. I can see a scenario in peak season where traffic is backed up half way down the hill. Crazy they allowed something that big to be built with the infrastructure limitations.

 

Agreed...  IMO - whenever such a construction is undertaking, the developers should first be responsible for upgrading the transport infrastruction so that the 'additional traffic' generated by their project has no (little) impact... 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, blazes said:

I have no confidence in any tall structures in Thailand. I don't trust the quality of the foundations.

 

The recent quake in Bangkok, with a Local Magnitude equivalence of 6.0 MW on the richter scale highlights how well build the buildings are....    and Pattaya has far better foundational bedrock footing than the lakebed setting of Bangkok.

 

The structural quality of the taller buildings in Thailand is not something I question - its the road networks around them that will cause the most trouble.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

9 hours ago, thesetat said:

So they are not looking into if it's assembly was done incorrectly at the site? 

11 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Engineers from the Pattaya City Engineering Office are now tasked with examining the equipment in detail to determine whether the crane failed due to structural weakness or because it was overloaded beyond standard limits. Construction will remain suspended until a full safety assessment is completed and authorities are satisfied that the site is secure.

 

 

Or simple operator error... 

 

When lifting a load, any excessive rotational movement of the crane, especially beyond its designed operational range, can induce torsional forces within the crane’s structure. When these torsional stresses exceed the structural design limits, the instability and structural deformation can lead to such a catastrophic collapse - I wonder if this is the case here....   

[josephbloggs]

6 hours ago, topt said:

Personally I find it a little sad that they now allow the seemingly ever increasing height of condo blocks here. Just look how it dwarfs every other building around it.

 

Did there not used to be some rule that you could not go over 8 stories many years ago? 

Yeah, it might spoil that stunning natural beauty spot that is Pattaya.

[Cat Boy]

10 hours ago, ozz1 said:

Chinese crane?

Sino-phobia? 

[tiktokman]

Let's wait until the building is finished & watch it come down in the next quake.

[richard_smith237]

19 minutes ago, tiktokman said:

Let's wait until the building is finished & watch it come down in the next quake.

 

Highlighting a complete lack of understanding of anything other than bigotry... 

 

The recent quack did not impact even the tallest buildings of Pattaya in the slightest...   All of the buildings in Bangkok handled a 6.0 LM equivalent quake (amplified due its young sedimentary setting)... one building under-construction, not built to 'building code' and with 'counterfeit rebar' collapsed.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

8 hours ago, kinyara said:

I suspect it would be reasonable to assume this could be another AirBNB job used more as a hotel

Without evidence, what would be "reasonable" about that bizarre assumption?

[Liverpool Lou]

7 hours ago, topt said:

Did there not used to be some rule that you could not go over 8 stories many years ago? 

No, there was no general rule such as that limiting all constructions.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, blazes said:

I have no confidence in any tall structures in Thailand. I don't trust the quality of the foundations.

Why?   What evidence do you have that suggests that the foundations of tall construction projects are lacking?

[Liverpool Lou]

40 minutes ago, tiktokman said:

Let's wait until the building is finished & watch it come down in the next quake.

Like no comparable  building in Thailand has ever done, you mean?

[alex8912]

31 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, there was no general rule such as that limiting all constructions.

I'm pretty sure there is.  Probably the same in Pattaya as in Bangkok. The soi the building is on has to be a certain width or wider now if the building is going to be over 8 floors. Has to due with fire truck access and ladder heights in case of a fire. Small sois can't accommodate. 

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

14 hours ago, kinyara said:

I suspect it would be reasonable to assume this could be another AirBNB job used more as a hotel

Without evidence, what would be "reasonable" about that bizarre assumption?

 

The fact that its a very reasonable assumption given that this is already a well reported issue... 

 

What IS actually quite bizarre is you actually thinking the suggestion that condos in Pattaya being used as an Air-BnB is 'bizarre'.....  

 

 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1316003-buy-a-condo-to-airbnb-is-it-really-profitable/page/2/

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1123425-illegal-short-term-rentals-in-pattaya-condos/

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1355916-crackdown-on-illegal-short-term-condo-rentals-in-pattaya/

 

[newnative]

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Without evidence, what would be "reasonable" about that bizarre assumption?

      True, it's just an assumption but certainly not a 'bizarre' one.   It's a mega project with an abundance of very small hotel-size condo units.  Some of the units are only 20 sqm, with no balcony.   We've seen in the past that a number of new mega projects in Pattaya, also with an abundance of small hotel-size condo units, did, indeed, become plagued by illegal daily renters. 

    I, personally, lived in several of these new projects and owned a rental unit in a third mega project, which had the same problem.   In my opinion, it's more 'reasonable' than 'bizarre' to assume that this could become a problem with this new project, as well.  

[Dexxter]

16 hours ago, blazes said:

No mention of a crane driver?

 

Looking at the photo, the driver's cabin seems unaffected.

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

If only I had a list of fallen cranes in Thailand.

That would be a long one.

At least no deaths this time.

I was thinking that only yesterday, a lot of accidents involving cranes, also minibuses, coaches and helicopters. 

[Jim Blue]

13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, there was no general rule such as that limiting all constructions.

It was  5 stories limit if you were within 200 metres of the beach.

Several tall  beach condos found a way around  that rule .Not sure if it still applies.