How much MORE evidence do we need to prove beyond doubt that the mRNA Covid-19 shots kill?

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

 

If you've sunk to posting ill-informed memes scraped from some Facebook anti-vax cesspit, you've already disqualified yourself from any conversation that aspires to be intelligent.

 

Don’t pretend you're engaging in debate – you're not. You’ve abandoned reason the moment you hit “share" and posted a dumb word-meme...

 

It’s clear you're not here to discuss. You're here to flood this sub-forum with noise, rhetoric, and tired anti-vax propaganda.

 

You're not seeking truth – you're pushing an agenda to infect discourse with weaponised ignorance, dressed up as conviction.

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

18 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

But much more than the blind, deaf and dumb parroting the 'safe and effective' mantra... 

But I sure play a mean pinball

It's like some here live in a world before bacteria and viruses were known .. the 1600's .. where your humours were out of whack and everything could be fixed with an apple and fresh air

[Red Phoenix]

11 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

When you bring hard facts to the table, let me know.  

 

Check out the contents table of this Covid/Vaccine sub-forum

> https://aseannow.com/forum/466-covidvaccine/ 

It contains +100 threads addressing the subject from many different angles.  

[rumak]

5 hours ago, jas007 said:

n either case, trying to convince people that COVID jabs can kill is, at this point, more or less an exercise in futility.  What's the point?  

 

yes,  i wonder that myself .   IF any "change"  is going to come...... it will not be from

social media sites like this .    "Raising awareness"  , if there was a graph.... would show how futile that has been.   

I am in much better health ( as shown by blood tests, lack of any serious disease, and just the simple fact that old thai people look at me and ask " how old are you? ",  than 99% of people my age .  

 

Does anyone ever ask or care to know how I do it ?    Nope.   And if ( on some rare occasion I begin to give some explanation which involves self health care )  their eyes glaze over faster than a response to one of these topics . 

 

Note:  One great substack (IMO)  is Jeff Burwicks Coffee and Covid.

A truly non aggressive site with many (thousands plus) of members , most who can actually present views in rational words , even sentences !    When the subject of how their anti covid stance comes up ... invariably most people express the same experiences regarding family members and friends ;   nothing could break through the bias and narrative of MSM and the "govt" which was believed by the masses.

[jas007]

3 hours ago, still kicking said:

And he should be banned for good

Right.  We can't have any pesky "misinformation" floating around to confuse the masses.  Nope. Just ban the people who have the audacity to think for themselves and question authority.

 

Meanwhile, back in the real world, RFK Jr. just fired every single member of his Vaccine Advisory Board.  I can only conclude he decided to start anew with some nom-brainwashed individuals and individuals who are not under the spell of Big Pharma.  People unafraid to question "the science."  

 

If RFK Jr. shows up on this forum, would you ban him?  What about the US Senators who want to investigate and perhaps imprison Fauci?  Would you ban them, simply for having the courage to question authority? 

 

In another context, Trump recently fired many Neocons from his National Security Council.  Maybe he's had enough of the warmongering.

 

And based on some recent Social Media posts from Tulsi Gabbard, she's also sick of the warmongering and the apparent willingness of some to march the country into Nuclear War.

 

All in all, things once again seem to be moving in the right direction, thanks to people willing to think for themselves and question authority. 

 

 

[TedG]

7 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Here you go, I repost > Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/covid-time-series-graphs-show-clearly

 

1) Did it ever occur to you that people start to die at a higher rate over the age of 80? 

2) Here is the study in question.   https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32120383/

 

Here is a quote from the link you provided. 

 

“The more of the elderly population that got flu shots, the more the death rate increased."

 

The linked study does not support this conclusion. The quote is from Twitter, which I have provided a screenshot of. 

[richard_smith237]

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Then there’s Stiddle, whose posts are so absurd they’re only worth engaging with on occasion.

 

Thank-you for proving my point with far greater certainty than I did... 

 

Thank-you once again... you are proving my point so very well..... 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

38 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

SmallPox, Measles, Polio, H1N1 influenza, Ebola, Marburg outbreaks..

None are diseases. Nor is Rabies IMO.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, TedG said:

 Have you gone through life without a single vax? 

67 years young and cannot recall ANY vax that I ever took. 

Maybe I got some during childhood, but I am definite that from age 7 I haven't had any vaccine. 

And once I was adult on all of my travels (India, Nepal, Thailand, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Southern USA, etc.) never ever did I follow the 'recommended innoculations'.  

Good health doesn't come from a pill or a jab, and guess what: I am never sick!  

[TedG]

13 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Here you go, I repost > Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/covid-time-series-graphs-show-clearly

 

Another issue with this link is the mixture of two data sources. 

 

The graph labeled Flu shots given in Q1 2021 is Medicare Data. 

 

The referenced study was done in the UK. 

 

 

[Magictoad]

6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

All the leading journals that publish scientific papers are partly or totally funded by Big Pharma.  So it will be a looooong wait before they will issue a paper that 'bites the hand that feeds them'.  

Nonsense 

[Red Phoenix]

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

If you've sunk to posting ill-informed memes scraped from some Facebook anti-vax cesspit, you've already disqualified yourself from any conversation that aspires to be intelligent.

 

Don’t pretend you're engaging in debate – you're not. You’ve abandoned reason the moment you hit “share" and posted a dumb word-meme...

 

It’s clear you're not here to discuss. You're here to flood this sub-forum with noise, rhetoric, and tired anti-vax propaganda.

 

You're not seeking truth – you're pushing an agenda to infect discourse with weaponised ignorance, dressed up as conviction.

 

 

A well-formulated MEME will have more impact than the pages of drivel filled with semi-intellectual superiority, arrogance and insults that are your trademark...

[TedG]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 

 

In another context, Trump recently fired many Neocons from his National Security Council.  Maybe he's had enough of the warmongering.

 

And based on some recent Social Media posts from Tulsi Gabbard, she's also sick of the warmongering and the apparent willingness of some to march the country into Nuclear War.

 

 

 

 

 

The only war monger is Putin. 

[TedG]

4 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

67 years young and cannot recall ANY vax that I ever took. 

Maybe I got some during childhood, but I am definite that from age 7 I haven't had any vaccine. 

And once I was adult on all of my travels (India, Nepal, Thailand, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Southern USA, etc.) never ever did I follow the 'recommended innoculations'.  

Good health doesn't come from a pill or a jab, and guess what: I am never sick!  

 

You have reaped the benefits of the early childhood vaccinations. 

[TedG]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

A well-formulated MEME will have more impact than the pages of drivel filled with semi-intellectual superiority, arrogance and insults that are your trademark...

The semi-intellectual flows from your sources on Substack. 

[Magictoad]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

67 years young and cannot recall ANY vax that I ever took. 

Maybe I got some during childhood, but I am definite that from age 7 I haven't had any vaccine. 

And once I was adult on all of my travels (India, Nepal, Thailand, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Southern USA, etc.) never ever did I follow the 'recommended innoculations'.  

Good health doesn't come from a pill or a jab, and guess what: I am never sick!  

When I was in India when I was 21 and had just caught hepatitis I was required to have an anti Cholera  shot to leave the country. But because of my yellow & jaundiced face I could not get a cholera vaccination. So I had to stay an extra few weeks until my jaundice yellow face had worn off and the clinic would accept me for a vaccination. That was in Autumn 1974.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

A well-formulated MEME will have more impact than the pages of drivel filled with semi-intellectual superiority, arrogance and insults that are your trademark...

 

 

..... A well-formulated meme? Please. Memes aren’t “well-formulated” - they’re bite-sized junk food for the intellectually lazy, designed to be swallowed whole by those incapable of discussion, nuance or real thought.... 

 

This just highlights your sole aim is not to inform, but to spread ignorance and nothing else... 

[jas007]

8 minutes ago, rumak said:

I am in much better health ( as shown by blood tests, lack of any serious disease, and just the simple fact that old thai people look at me and ask " how old are you? ",  than 99% of people my age .  

 

Does anyone ever ask or care to know how I do it ?    Nope.   And if ( on some rare occasion I begin to give some explanation which involves self health care )  their eyes glaze over faster than a response to one of these topics . 

I know I don't look my age at all.  I'm almost 74, and last year when I went to the doctors at Bumrungrad for some tests, I got the impression they were expecting some decrepit old man.  Instead, I walk in.  Perfect weight, perfect bloodwork, no meds, I still have all my hair, still have all my teeth, and so on.  

 

Even people I know, but who I haven't seen for a while, wonder why I still look young, once they see me again.  

 

I try to eat right, and I try to stay active, but I think the main thing is simply genetics.  When my father was my age, he was still chasing girls around at the local country club.  On my mom's side, most of those people lived to almost 90, with one living well past 100.  

 

Anyway, I never really have discussions about my age with Thai people, other than the few doctors I've seen in Bangkok.

[Magictoad]

19 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Check out the contents table of this Covid/Vaccine sub-forum

> https://aseannow.com/forum/466-covidvaccine/ 

It contains +100 threads addressing the subject from many different angles.  

Why would we volunteer to go into a cesspit of propaganda and misinformation when you bring it here!  Polio is a real and dreadful disease which the police vaccine saved US from. Note I say US because you were saved too.

[Red Phoenix]

8 minutes ago, TedG said:

You have reaped the benefits of the early childhood vaccinations. 

Show me proof!  Belgian citizen, born 1957 

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

12 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

A well-formulated MEME will have more impact than the pages of drivel filled with semi-intellectual superiority, arrogance and insults that are your trademark...

 

 

..... A well-formulated meme? Please. Memes aren’t “well-formulated” - they’re bite-sized junk food for the intellectually lazy, designed to be swallowed whole by those incapable of discussion, nuance or real thought.... 

 

This just highlights your sole aim is not to inform, but to spread ignorance and nothing else... 

 

QED

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

Why would we volunteer to go into a cesspit of propaganda and misinformation when you bring it here!  Polio is a real and dreadful disease which the police vaccine saved US from. Note I say US because you were saved too.

I am not a US citizen.

[jas007]

17 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

67 years young and cannot recall ANY vax that I ever took. 

Maybe I got some during childhood, but I am definite that from age 7 I haven't had any vaccine. 

And once I was adult on all of my travels (India, Nepal, Thailand, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Southern USA, etc.) never ever did I follow the 'recommended innoculations'.  

Good health doesn't come from a pill or a jab, and guess what: I am never sick!  

Depending on when and where you grew up, you nay not have received any vaccines at all.  Or very few.  I was born in 1951, and my mom used to take me and my little brother to a pediatrician once a year. So we probably received whatever we were supposed to get in the way of jabs back then.  Once I turned 12, I stopped going to doctors.  I might have received whatever jabs they gave military recruits in the early 70s. 

 

Anyway, nothing like what kids are subject to today.  

[TedG]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Show me proof!  Belgian citizen, born 1957 

https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/communicable-diseases/vaccine-preventable-diseases#:~:text=Childhood immunization in Belgium&text=Of these%2C the polio vaccine,that is mandatory in Belgium.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Show me proof!  Belgian citizen, born 1957 

 

By age 7, a Belgian child born in 1957 would likely have received the following vaccines:

- Smallpox

- Diphtheria

- Tetanus

- Pertussis (whooping cough)

- Polio 

 

That you ask for proof of what vaccines you took as a child were of benefit is a masterclass in argumentative incompetence, the proof is all around you, everywhere....  but you dismiss it.    You may as well post another meme.

[Red Phoenix]

8 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

31 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Check out the contents table of this Covid/Vaccine sub-forum

> https://aseannow.com/forum/466-covidvaccine/ 

It contains +100 threads addressing the subject from many different angles.  

Why would we volunteer to go into a cesspit of propaganda and misinformation when you bring it here!  Polio is a real and dreadful disease which the police vaccine saved US from. Note I say US because you were saved too.

My post was not meant for you, but for TedG who asked to bring 'facts to the table'.

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

https://www.healthybelgium.be/en/health-status/communicable-diseases/vaccine-preventable-diseases#:~:text=Childhood immunization in Belgium&text=Of these%2C the polio vaccine,that is mandatory in Belgium.

 

 

 

Then I probably did get the polio-shot, before being able to make my own decisions.

Otherwise I would have refused the shot. 

By the way, none of my 3 very healthy children (34, 32 and 26) did receive ANY vaccine, while under my care.

[rumak]

8 minutes ago, jas007 said:

try to eat right, and I try to stay active, but I think the main thing is simply genetics

 

Well, genetics is one factor, i would think.   But personally I place the biggest factor on what one does with what one has.

Its easy to say "oh, i'm sick because it runs in my family .... and I am sure that is the big cop out for the majority of heart patients,  diabetes sufferers, fat people , arthritic, and on and on.    

Anyway.... very glad you are doing well.   We will have to have an arm wrestling match when we meet up  .  555  just kidding,    I am a wee bit older than you .  The famous orthepedist in CM  , after he checked me, put his thumb up .  "you are much better than most people i see " .

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

By age 7, a Belgian child born in 1957 would likely have received the following vaccines:

- Smallpox

- Diphtheria

- Tetanus

- Pertussis (whooping cough)

- Polio 

 

That you ask for proof of what vaccines you took as a child were of benefit is a masterclass in argumentative incompetence, the proof is all around you, everywhere....  but you dismiss it.    You may as well post another meme.

 

I said that I don't know whether I received any vaccines before 7 year of age. 

Well possible that my parents skipped them, and unfortunately as both are deceased, I am not able to enquire anymore. 

Also the current discussion is of little relevance for this thread, so I will refrain from answering any responses to it.

[freedomnow]

OP is about as bad as the "masked one" with covid OCD obsession..

 

If only we could get you both in a room and hopefully you would each cancel each other out.

[TedG]

29 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

My post was not meant for you, but for TedG who asked to bring 'facts to the table'.

Do you have any comments on my post about the link you provided?