5 hours ago, robz said:

Better fly with airbus. Finnair has good business class offers with airbus from and to TH.

 

Date	Aircraft / Flight	Casualties	Remarks

2018-10-29

B737 MAX 8 – Lion Air Flight 610

189 fatalities

MCAS malfunction; triggered global MAX grounding

2019-02-23

B767 – Atlas Air Flight 3591 (cargo)

3 fatalities

Crash due to pilot spatial disorientation

2019-03-10

B737 MAX 8 – Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302

157 fatalities

MCAS error; MAX grounded again

***2020-01-08

B737‑800 – Ukraine Intl Flight 752

176 fatalities

Shot down in Iran (not Boeing defect)

2021 (mid-year)

B777 – United Airlines (?)

0 casualties

Engine fan blade detached after takeoff

2022-03-21

B737‑800 – China Eastern Flight 5735

132 fatalities

Sudden descent (cause under investigation)

2024-01-05

B737 MAX 9 – Alaska Airlines Flight 1282

0; 3 injuries

Cabin decompression due to missing bolts

2024-05-08

B767 – FedEx (Paris → Istanbul)

0

Nose gear collapsed, safe landing

2024-05-09

B737‑300 – Transair/Air Sénégal (Dakar)

10 injured

Rejected takeoff led to fire and excursion

2024-11-09

B737‑400F – Total Linhas Aéreas Flight 5682 (Brazil)

0

In-flight cargo fire; aircraft destroyed

2024-11-25

B737‑400SF – Swiftair Flight 5960 / DHL (Vilnius)

1 killed, 3 injured

Hydraulic/flap config error; final approach crash

2025-06-12

B787‑8 – Air India Flight AI‑171 (Ahmedabad)

30+ fatalities

First fatal 787 crash; investigation ongoing

The direct consequence of the tyrany of shareholders' returns. 

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Your claim is unfounded. Aside from the initial tragedies, the aircraft since its return to service has one of the safest operating records. It is a heavily surveilled aircraft. The aircraft  is such a failure that  Boeing had a backlog of 5,943  737 MAX aircraft, according to Reuters. This backlog includes 303 new orders booked in May 2025.   Boeing has delivered 164  737 MAXes, in 2025 .

The airline leasing companies and the airlines have a different opinion than you. How is it you know more than they do?

According to you these customers who signed purchase agreements in 2025 are wrong;

Singapore-based leasing company BOC Aviation - 50

Japan Airlines -17

Korean Airlines -20 

Now that the tariff issue is on hold with the USA, China is again taking delivery of B737 Max and  a new  aircraft landed in China on June 10.    Qatar and United took delivery of their aircraft last month too. 

And so on. Everyone in the airline industry has it wrong.

 

Okay, you proved me wrong. The 737 MAX is an excellent aircraft.

Living people are being wheeled into Indian hospital but not sure if those are survivors or people who were on the ground.  Based on the fireball that erupted after the plane hit, I'm assuming the latter. 

The theory that they retracted the flaps rather than retracting the landing gear sounds plausible, but does a modern aircraft like the 787 have some sort of warning or safety override that would prevent such an error?

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Contaminated fuel wouldn't cut out immediately like that .

Could be they lifted the wing flaps up instead of lifting the wheels up ?

 

Having watched the videos, my first thoughts. 

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Was the puff of smoke on the left hand side just when talking off significant ?

 

Yes. It's dust.

 

3 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Tata Group, which owns Air India, says it will give 1 crore rupees – the equivalent of around $117,000, to the families of each person who was killed in the crash.

 

It will also cover the medical expenses of those injured and provide support for rebuilding the medical hostel that was hit.

 

"No words can adequately express the grief we feel at this moment," it says in a statement posted on X.

 

 

That was quick.

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Is it just me but are you guys seeing any flaps?usually it’s very pronounced and easy to spot its hard to tell if they are deployed or perhaps only partially deployed.what an absolute bummer just tragic……

 

Not just you. T/O flap config looks zero or minimal.

1 hour ago, candide said:

The direct consequence of the tyrany of shareholders' returns. 

How is the nose gear collapsing on an old airplane? Is it Boeing's fault?  The same goes for a cargo fire, rejected takeoff, etc

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Yes. It's dust.

 

  There would have been numerous regular planes previously taking off and already disturbing the dust , if the flaps were in a different/wrong position, the that may have disturbed some dust that doesnt usually get disturbed 

50 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

The theory that they retracted the flaps rather than retracting the landing gear sounds plausible, but does a modern aircraft like the 787 have some sort of warning or safety override that would prevent such an error?

 

Yes, warnings if flaps not set - part of before t/o checklist too.

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  There would have been numerous regular planes previously taking off and already disturbing the dust , if the flaps were in a different/wrong position, the that may have disturbed some dust that doesnt usually get disturbed 

If you  care to look at the VDO you will see the dust disturbance billow just after the plane left the  ground - not before.

 

The engines were already past the end of the active runway over rough, dry ground. Airborne very late.

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If you  care to look at the VDO you will see the dust disturbance billow just after the plane left the  ground - not before.

 

The engines were already past the end of the active runway over rough, dry ground. Airborne very late.

 

  Maybe it took time for the wind to get from the wings to the dust and the wind disturbed the just when the plane left the ground .

   The wind in a different location disturbing the dust. 

31 minutes ago, TedG said:

How is the nose gear collapsing on an old airplane? Is it Boeing's fault?  The same goes for a cargo fire, rejected takeoff, etc

I did not reply about this particular case

 I replied about the list of incidents posted .

 

Just my opinion but on take off seemed perfect then a failure to climb. Could  have been a catastrophic Hydraulic Oil loss bearing in mind the landing gear was still down and were not retracted on climb out. Also flaps work on hydraulics' another indicator of loss of lift. The Captain and 1st Officer will have done the correct take off list, they were experienced plus there are a few secondary back ups if 1 fails. In short i feel the captain could not stop this terrible accident he had under 10 seconds to react and identify the problem which brought it down.    

I’ve seen better video of the accident it looks to me that they didn’t have the flaps extended or at a very very shallow angle once she got out of ground effect she just mushed in.tragic my condolences to the bereaved + it’s hot there and density of the air is less and she was carrying a lot of fuel…..anyway that’s my 2 bits we will know for sure soon.

This guy survived the crash and walked away. 

 

10 hours ago, robz said:

Better fly with airbus. Finnair has good business class offers with airbus from and to TH.

 

Date	Aircraft / Flight	Casualties	Remarks

2018-10-29

B737 MAX 8 – Lion Air Flight 610

189 fatalities

MCAS malfunction; triggered global MAX grounding

2019-02-23

B767 – Atlas Air Flight 3591 (cargo)

3 fatalities

Crash due to pilot spatial disorientation

2019-03-10

B737 MAX 8 – Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302

157 fatalities

MCAS error; MAX grounded again

***2020-01-08

B737‑800 – Ukraine Intl Flight 752

176 fatalities

Shot down in Iran (not Boeing defect)

2021 (mid-year)

B777 – United Airlines (?)

0 casualties

Engine fan blade detached after takeoff

2022-03-21

B737‑800 – China Eastern Flight 5735

132 fatalities

Sudden descent (cause under investigation)

2024-01-05

B737 MAX 9 – Alaska Airlines Flight 1282

0; 3 injuries

Cabin decompression due to missing bolts

2024-05-08

B767 – FedEx (Paris → Istanbul)

0

Nose gear collapsed, safe landing

2024-05-09

B737‑300 – Transair/Air Sénégal (Dakar)

10 injured

Rejected takeoff led to fire and excursion

2024-11-09

B737‑400F – Total Linhas Aéreas Flight 5682 (Brazil)

0

In-flight cargo fire; aircraft destroyed

2024-11-25

B737‑400SF – Swiftair Flight 5960 / DHL (Vilnius)

1 killed, 3 injured

Hydraulic/flap config error; final approach crash

2025-06-12

B787‑8 – Air India Flight AI‑171 (Ahmedabad)

30+ fatalities

First fatal 787 crash; investigation ongoing

Apparently the Airbus score of fatalities in the same time frame is 79.

Horrendous.

Sole survivor by the sounds:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t

UPDATE
Latest update from Air India

This is the latest update released by the airline.
 

“Air India confirms that flight AI171, operating from Ahmedabad to London Gatwick on 12 June 2025, was involved in an accident.

 

The 12-year-old Boeing 787-8 aircraft departed from Ahmedabad at 1338 hrs, carrying 230 passengers and 12 crew.

 

The aircraft crashed shortly after take-off. We regret to inform that, of the 242 aboard, there are 241 confirmed fatalities. The sole survivor is being treated in a hospital.

 

The passengers comprised 169 Indian nationals, 53 British nationals, 7 Portuguese nationals and 1 Canadian national. The survivor is a British national of Indian origin.

 

Air India offers its deepest condolences to the families of the deceased. Our efforts now are focused entirely on the needs of all those affected, their families and loved ones.

 

A team of caregivers from Air India is now in Ahmedabad to provide additional support. Air India is giving its full cooperation to the authorities investigating this incident.”

 

Ground casualties.

 

 

India’s Federation of All India Medical Association (FAIMA), says some 50-60 students studying medicine were taken to hospital after the Air India flight crashed into the doctors' hostel.

 

The association says five students are missing, and at least two are in the intensive care unit.

 

Relatives of some doctors are also missing.

 

 

Sources have stated details of the crew;

 

The pilots were Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, who had 8,200 hours of experience and First Officer Clive Kunder, from Mumbai, was co-piloting. He had logged 1,100 of flying hours and completed his training at the Florida-based Paris Air Flight School, according to local media.

Senior Crew members Shradha Dhavan and Aparna Mahadik, along with Saineeta Chakravarti, Deepak Pathak, Maithili Patil, Irfan Shaikh, Roshni Songhare Rajendra, Manisha Thapam, Nganthoi Sharma Kongbrailatpam and Lamnunthem Singsonwere also named among the crew.

 

Flightradar24

 

Flightradar24 have been able to process a limited number of additional ADS-B data frames and produced calculations of Above Ground Level altitude for Air India flight 

 

Details are here;

 

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/flight-tracking-news/major-incident/air-india-171-crashes-shortly-after-take-off-from-ahmedabad/

 

 

  Adapted by Asean Now 2025-06-13

 

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Jeez mate do you always need to argue. As stated this is breaking news.

There is not only ONE source for breaking news. Do you know that?

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

There is not only ONE source for breaking news. Do you know that?

You do know that a survivor was found don't you?

11 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

 

I think they are on par. There have been some Airbus crashes that were caused mainly by aircraft design flaws.

No, not par. Airbus is much safer in relation to the number of flights

44 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You do know that a survivor was found don't you?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/12/british-man-only-survivor-air-india-plane-crash-ahmedabad

 

 

Unbelievable!!!!

25 minutes ago, roo860 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/12/british-man-only-survivor-air-india-plane-crash-ahmedabad

 

 

Unbelievable!!!!

Amazing luck.

 

You’d have to believe you were being looked after.

 

Buy a lottery ticket young man! 

 

 

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Cheers. I watch Mentor Now's stuff. He's good.

Yes, Mentour Now!  (by Petter Hörnfeldt - he has a couple of more fantastic channels) & Pilot Debrief (by Hoover) are excellent channels, done by professional pilots, aimed primarily for Pilots, analyzing aviation incidents  - but are also very interesting for lay persons, who are interested in aviation.

 

They both intend to raise the safety standards of aviation.

13 hours ago, JoseThailand said:

 

I think they are on par. There have been some Airbus crashes that were caused mainly by aircraft design flaws.

Statistical data, adjusted for fleet size and flight volume, alongside global fatality records and regulatory equivalence, show Airbus and Boeing have comparable safety records for modern aircraft. Differences arise from specific models or incidents, not system!

Ah , Boeing.

 

Boeing 787 identical to crash jet made four emergency landings in a month (yahoo.com)

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/whistleblower-raised-safety-fears-over-105830679.html

My condolences to, what I think will be, many families. What a massive tragedy, so very sad. According to 'update' map above just a few more meters and the plane would have crashed directly on the hospital.