Therefore the Airbus is more reliable👍🙏

Very sad.

looks like both engines maybe are out, why did it not climb.

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Therefore the Airbus is more reliable👍🙏

8 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

is that the hostel it bumped into ?

 

  Yes, seems to an educational faculty  , accommodation and canteen 

Just now, quake said:

Very sad.

looks like both engines maybe are out, why did it not climb.

Apparently to he pilot called Mayday once then silence. Terrorism?

1 minute ago, emptypockets said:

Apparently to he pilot called Mayday once then silence. Terrorism?

 

Possible.

It just looks like a perfectly good aircraft glided into the ground.

1 minute ago, quake said:

 

Possible.

It just looks like a perfectly good aircraft glided into the ground.

Really strange that the pilot called Mayday only once then silence.

Throat cut by Pakistani terrorists  a massive electromagnetic attack taking out all systems. Trial of Chinese tech? All speculation of course.

5 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Really strange that the pilot called Mayday only once then silence.

Throat cut by Pakistani terrorists  a massive electromagnetic attack taking out all systems. Trial of Chinese tech? All speculation of course.

 

Maybe they were just extremely busy in the cockpit.

 ANC,  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate

2 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Maybe they were just extremely busy in the cockpit.

 ANC,  Aviate, Navigate, Communicate

No idea. But really strange to call Mayday 600 feet in the air just after take off. 

Could be many reasons.

1 minute ago, emptypockets said:

No idea. But really strange to call Mayday 600 feet in the air just after take off.

 

yes.

All very sad for sure.

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Yes, seems to an educational faculty  , accommodation and canteen 

Yes, student doctors - tragic.

12 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Really strange that the pilot called Mayday only once then silence.

Throat cut by Pakistani terrorists  a massive electromagnetic attack taking out all systems. Trial of Chinese tech? All speculation of course.

The ramblings of a disturbed mind.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The ramblings of a disturbed mind.

Yes ,  I've noted that from your posts over the years.

17 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Possible.

It just looks like a perfectly good aircraft glided into the ground.

 

   The engines didn't seem to be their usual loudness .

Seems like the engines cut out 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The engines didn't seem to be their usual loudness .

Seems like the engines cut out 

Hopefully the black boxes will give some insights to the tragedy.

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The engines didn't seem to be their usual loudness .

Seems like the engines cut out 

 

Yes, looked like a glider. fuel issue ?

Off topic posts and replies about Finnair removed.

4 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Yes, looked like a glider. fuel issue ?

 

   Contaminated fuel wouldn't cut out immediately like that .

Could be they lifted the wing flaps up instead of lifting the wheels up ?

3 hours ago, webfact said:

though it's unclear if there are fatalities.

"...it's unclear if there are fatalities."
 

For God's sake, don't be daft.  The plane lost thrust and bellied into the ground and erupted into a massive fireball.  

 

29 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Really strange that the pilot called Mayday only once then silence.

Throat cut by Pakistani terrorists  a massive electromagnetic attack taking out all systems. Trial of Chinese tech? All speculation of course.

My speculation: pilot error. Wrong thrust and runway required calculation, resulting in not gaining enough speed to climb.

Todays scheduled Gatwick arrivals 😞

Just watched an interview on the news with a former pilot and he said the flaps were not in take-off position, and that the plane could never have had a successful take-off and descent with the flaps in that position.

He also mentioned that if they had tried to take off without those flaps extended they would have had plenty of system warnings.

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Contaminated fuel wouldn't cut out immediately like that .

Could be they lifted the wing flaps up instead of lifting the wheels up ?

 

Not so sure about that.

But gear was down.

FWIW, this is the best pilot-centric forum I've found.  It's all speculation so far...

 

https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/666472-plane-crash-near-ahmedabad.html

 

https://www.pprune.org/

 

If there's a better forum, I'd like to hear about it.

 

 

1 hour ago, howerde said:

Seen a report on the pprune website, the pilot took off from an intersection and not the full length, so the take off distance was just under 1900m  not a lot for a B787 that would have a lot of fuel for a flight to uk

That is what this Flight Tracker image seems to show.

 

I would be astonished if that were the case. What on Earth were the ATC guys thinking of, releasing the flight for take off from that position?

47 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Really strange that the pilot called Mayday only once then silence.

Throat cut by Pakistani terrorists  a massive electromagnetic attack taking out all systems. Trial of Chinese tech? All speculation of course.

You don't think perhaps they were busy?? You want them to be having a conversation with ATC when they are desperately trying to save their lives and those of all on board (and on the ground)? They are trained to concentrate on flying before communication - that is the last priority in an emergency.

What the hell are you on about with throat slitting, electromagnetic attacks and Chinese nonsense? Have some respect and get a grip of yourself.

There were 53 British, 7 Portuguese, 1 Canadian. Rest are Indians.

For those wondering.

3 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

That is what this Flight Tracker image seems to show.

 

I would be astonished if that were the case. What on Earth were the ATC guys thinking of, releasing the flight for take off from that position?

According to Flightradar24.com, the plane used the full lenght of the runway. It went to the end (or beginning however you want to call it) and started from there. 

7 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

That is what this Flight Tracker image seems to show.

 

I would be astonished if that were the case. What on Earth were the ATC guys thinking of, releasing the flight for take off from that position?

Not according to FlightRadar 24.
 

 

41 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

No idea. But really strange to call Mayday 600 feet in the air just after take off. 

Could be many reasons.

625 feet was as high as it got. It sure seems both engines failed but this seems incredible. Something catastrophic has happened not long after PNR or rotation. This bird just stopped going up.