Will there ever be a safe vaccine?

[rumak]

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

and IMO sharp observation requires (tricky to achieve) balance: not too optimistic, not too pessimistic…

 

i agree with you 1000% .   Now ....are we going to use MY definitions of optimistic/pessimistic ,  OR  yours,  or egomans,  or dickie's ???

Could very well happen that the latest/greatest versions of mRNA junk is scrapped, (which has more than accomplised its goal ) .   What is it,  about 70% of the world ?

And still counting !   Very successful.  and no worries, Pharma has thousands of new poisons in the pipeline to go along with the already life destroying statins and antidepressants and cholesterol scam drugs.   I draw on the big picture when deciding whether the "narrative"  is leading the blind to be healthy or sick.

Anyway..... i like to think that my sharp observations are pretty high up on the "unbiased" scale (don't we all 555) .    Even on sites such as C&C , or any site , I am not afraid of losing friends by disagreeing on something.   

anyway.............. i could go on and on ..... but you know my analysis  (this world is really fkd) .... which i must say has only strengthened in the last 10 years .  Technology has got everyone by the balls .   And now they're bringing in the new Monster in town :  A.I !   Try escaping that one !  "Palantir’s AI-driven products are capable of creating highly detailed dossiers on people by quickly scanning their social media, bank records, phone records and other data."

And yet... i am the eternal optimist ....when it comes to my life .  Trying constantly to better myself and fight, fight, fight .   Not others, its useless.   But stubbornly working on staying healthy and SANE in my last chapter on this stage.

Sometimes...... its Dire Straits,  mi amigo !

 

[rumak]

 

Execs from Palantir, Meta, OpenAI being brought into U.S. Army as colonels to turbocharge military's use of drone warfare, robot soldiers, other high-tech killing machines

Army says it's part of a plan to tap commercial technology resources that will increase 'efficiencies' on the battlefields (i.e. killing fields) of the future.

Leo Hohmann

Jun 25

 

Yeee hawww !   Turbocharged , baby !! 

Sorry RP ............. way off topic , unless we group all the ways humanity coming closer to the final countdown. 

 

"Somchai !!..... you got that underground bunker finished yet ??  What ?  Ha met ? 

I told Dang Hasip Met !!   And don't forget to stockpile the sticky rice ............"

 

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, rumak said:

 

i agree with you 1000% .   Now ....are we going to use MY definitions of optimistic/pessimistic ,  OR  yours,  or egomans,  or dickie's ???

Could very well happen that the latest/greatest versions of mRNA junk is scrapped, (which has more than accomplised its goal ) .   What is it,  about 70% of the world ?

And still counting !   Very successful.  and no worries, Pharma has thousands of new poisons in the pipeline to go along with the already life destroying statins and antidepressants and cholesterol scam drugs.   I draw on the big picture when deciding whether the "narrative"  is leading the blind to be healthy or sick.

Anyway..... i like to think that my sharp observations are pretty high up on the "unbiased" scale (don't we all 555) .    Even on sites such as C&C , or any site , I am not afraid of losing friends by disagreeing on something.   

anyway.............. i could go on and on ..... but you know my analysis  (this world is really fkd) .... which i must say has only strengthened in the last 10 years .  Technology has got everyone by the balls .   And now they're bringing in the new Monster in town :  A.I !   Try escaping that one !  "Palantir’s AI-driven products are capable of creating highly detailed dossiers on people by quickly scanning their social media, bank records, phone records and other data."

And yet... i am the eternal optimist ....when it comes to my life .  Trying constantly to better myself and fight, fight, fight .   Not others, its useless.   But stubbornly working on staying healthy and SANE in my last chapter on this stage.

Sometimes...... its Dire Straits,  mi amigo !

 

 

You are one of the rare interlocutors of mine who considers both sides of the debate with equal measure, and I have always given you credit for that.

 

Regarding Palantir, it is a globalist tool which has long been embedded in Deep State operations, celebrated by the WEF and used to track people during Covid.

 

My take on tech has always been that it is a tool and ultimately, what matters is who is wielding it. Who is at the top of the pyramid, beyond the appearances? Who is pulling the strings and in what direction are we headed?

 

At face value, Trump and his admin could indeed seem to be a part of the overarching nefarious technostructure.

But you know my take on it, that he leans into enemy dynamics, only to cause their exposure and derailment further down the line (he's just done it in the Middle East, what began as "Trump the most Zionist US President ever" is ending with the imminent implosion of Israel and no WWIII).

 

This long article offers an interesting take (the one I believe to be the most likely when taking into consideration the whole picture):

 

The Palantir Canon - The Mirror That Captured the Machine
A Multidimensional Exposure of the Control Grid - Degree by Degree, Domain by Domain, Until the System Collapses Under Its Own Surveillance

 

https://observingconsciousness.substack.com/p/the-palantir-canon-the-mirror-that

 

[EDIT: I initially pasted in the wrong article, corrected now]

[rumak]

49 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

You are one of the rare interlocutors of mine who considers both sides of the debate with equal measure, and I have always given you credit for that.

 

Regarding Palantir, it is a globalist tool which has long been embedded in Deep State operations, celebrated by the WEF and used to track people during Covid.

 

My take on tech has always been that it is a tool and ultimately, what matters is who is wielding it. Who is at the top of the pyramid, beyond the appearances? Who is pulling the strings and in what direction are we headed?

 

At face value, Trump and his admin could indeed seem to be a part of the overarching nefarious technostructure.

But you know my take on it, that he leans into enemy dynamics, only to cause their exposure and derailment further down the line (he's just done it in the Middle East, what began as "Trump the most Zionist US President ever" is ending with the imminent implosion of Israel and no WWIII).

 

This long article offers an interesting take (the one I believe to be the most likely when taking into consideration the whole picture):

 

The Palantir Canon - The Mirror That Captured the Machine
A Multidimensional Exposure of the Control Grid - Degree by Degree, Domain by Domain, Until the System Collapses Under Its Own Surveillance

 

https://observingconsciousness.substack.com/p/the-palantir-canon-the-mirror-that

 

[EDIT: I initially pasted in the wrong article, corrected now]

 

Please forgive me for not reading the "long article" .   I already know the gist of what "the plan"  you refer to is .   ( chess, and all that  55)  .  As deep and corrupt as the Swamp is (as i have opined often..... since the days the naive "we all need to do such and such" were calling for an internet warrior rebellion ) .... Well, if anything, whatever is taking place now is interesting.   

My disappointment in the human experiment echoes George C  ( look at the shape, figuratively and literally,  of the masses (literally and figuratively) ... walking around, or more likely sitting around ) .    Hey!   But that's just my opinion, where others , probably the majority,  think this way of life is GREAT.

 

So....l still have that spark of hope that amongst this comic book scenario there is a group of Super Heroes who will somehow take down Goliath.   Could be !  Maybe the problem is ME ....  really junk food is great, billions and billions of eaters is great, more more more is great,  fatter fatter fatter is great,  staring at screens from the age of 3 or 4 is great,  hating others that miss "the old lifestyle"  is great,  etc etc etc.

Can Trump or Kennedy and others capture the media and begin the long process of advocating real values ?    hmmmmmm   I see revolution inevitable if 40 ounce sugar lattes and soft drinks are taken from the children.

 

On the other side  🙂 ..... Jeff  Childers will have you nodding your head in glee with today's sermon , 555.     rumak note:  there is a longggg way to go to get real health care to be enacted, not to mention desired by the humanoids.   

And robots ?    "don't worry, we can control them "  .    OK .  "All programmed for peace and love ?   What ??  "        

 

 DRAINING ☙ Thursday, June 26, 2025 ☙ C&C NEWS 

"MAHA is having a breakout moment. You'll love that part, but wait till I show you some new dots we can connect."

 

Last note:  really, what others choose for their lifestyle is not my concern.    Rumak just wants to be able to live free and have access to things that are good for me .   

[Stiddle Mump]

19 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

Please forgive me for not reading the "long article" .   I already know the gist of what "the plan"  you refer to is .   ( chess, and all that  55)  .  As deep and corrupt as the Swamp is (as i have opined often..... since the days the naive "we all need to do such and such" were calling for an internet warrior rebellion ) .... Well, if anything, whatever is taking place now is interesting.   

My disappointment in the human experiment echoes George C  ( look at the shape, figuratively and literally,  of the masses (literally and figuratively) ... walking around, or more likely sitting around ) .    Hey!   But that's just my opinion, where others , probably the majority,  think this way of life is GREAT.

 

So....l still have that spark of hope that amongst this comic book scenario there is a group of Super Heroes who will somehow take down Goliath.   Could be !  Maybe the problem is ME ....  really junk food is great, billions and billions of eaters is great, more more more is great,  fatter fatter fatter is great,  staring at screens from the age of 3 or 4 is great,  hating others that miss "the old lifestyle"  is great,  etc etc etc.

Can Trump or Kennedy and others capture the media and begin the long process of advocating real values ?    hmmmmmm   I see revolution inevitable if 40 ounce sugar lattes and soft drinks are taken from the children.

 

On the other side  🙂 ..... Jeff  Childers will have you nodding your head in glee with today's sermon , 555.     rumak note:  there is a longggg way to go to get real health care to be enacted, not to mention desired by the humanoids.   

And robots ?    "don't worry, we can control them "  .    OK .  "All programmed for peace and love ?   What ??  "        

 

 DRAINING ☙ Thursday, June 26, 2025 ☙ C&C NEWS 

"MAHA is having a breakout moment. You'll love that part, but wait till I show you some new dots we can connect."

 

Last note:  really, what others choose for their lifestyle is not my concern.    Rumak just wants to be able to live free and have access to things that are good for me .   

We all have to step up to the plate. 

 

The growth of real opposition will come from grass roots. Can't expect anyone at the top to do it for us. If we think there is gonna be a savior from on high, we will be forever disappointed.

 

The time is now. It's a crossroads for the human race. We must love nature and insist on the truth. Until then we cannot fulfill our true destiny.

[rumak]

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

We all have to step up to the plate. 

 

The growth of real opposition will come from grass roots. Can't expect anyone at the top to do it for us. If we think there is gonna be a savior from on high, we will be forever disappointed.

 

The time is now. It's a crossroads for the human race. We must love nature and insist on the truth. Until then we cannot fulfill our true destiny.

 

Before I agree to be part of the We group........... I need a while to read all the fine print .      😎

 

My contract has a few pages of fine print as well .   Mutual respect ,  a sense of humor ,  and.... to borrow a Thai saying " a good heart" . 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, rumak said:

 

Before I agree to be part of the We group........... I need a while to read all the fine print .      😎

We can call the movement 'HHH'.

 

This beautiful, bountiful world has enough for all to live in harmony, good health and happiness.

 

But to even get started we must insist on truth and embrace & love nature.

[rumak]

7 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

We can call the movement 'HHH'.

 

This beautiful, bountiful world has enough for all to live in harmony, good health and happiness.

 

But to even get started we must insist on truth and embrace & love nature.

 

tomorrow we can start to figure out the "truth" part .   a committee will be formed. 55

 

time to look for an old cowboy movie .   easy on my mind . 

 

cheers

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, rumak said:

Please forgive me for not reading the "long article" .   I already know the gist of what "the plan"  you refer to is .   ( chess, and all that  55)

 

Yeah, no worries 

 

2 hours ago, rumak said:

On the other side  🙂 ..... Jeff  Childers will have you nodding your head in glee with today's sermon , 555

 

Touché! Didn't know the GAVI payments had been suspended, makes total sense though. What do Catherine Austin Fitts, Sage Hana and Sasha Latypova have to say about that, I wonder? All three knew Trump was Deep State because his admin 1 had allowed a contribution to GAVI. I don't think any of them have the required humility to acknowledge they might have been wrong…

 

Anyway, things are definitely looking good according to my interpretative lens.

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

We all have to step up to the plate. 

 

The growth of real opposition will come from grass roots. Can't expect anyone at the top to do it for us. If we think there is gonna be a savior from on high, we will be forever disappointed.

 

The time is now. It's a crossroads for the human race. We must love nature and insist on the truth. Until then we cannot fulfill our true destiny.

 

Realistically, there has to be a political element to it, though, as is being done now. There isn't a single revolution in history which was entirely led by the people. They were led by political groups and people followed (as they always do).

[rumak]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Yeah, no worries 

 

 

Touché! Didn't know the GAVI payments had been suspended, makes total sense though. What do Catherine Austin Fitts, Sage Hana and Sasha Latypova have to say about that, I wonder? All three knew Trump was Deep State because his admin 1 had allowed a contribution to GAVI. I don't think any of them have the required humility to acknowledge they might have been wrong…

 

Anyway, things are definitely looking good according to my interpretative lens.

 

There are a few others besides the 3 you mention that are quick to jump on the anti-Trump bandwagon.   I don't read them, but glance once in a while at their attempts to remain "funded" .   I think Sasha is ok , but as i said.... i don't waste time following the show .    The remarks by Carlson also drew the ire of Trump (who , if its not a script, took public exception to it ) .  hmmmm .  Seems like DT's a bit fed up with people who take a shot at him .  (maybe a short fuse like rumak has.  tired of people quick to go against him).   

 

experience.........

 

[rattlesnake]

4 hours ago, rumak said:

Seems like DT's a bit fed up with people who take a shot at him .  (maybe a short fuse like rumak has.  tired of people quick to go against him).   

 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

On 6/15/2025 at 6:44 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Will there ever be a safe vaccine? 

Lots of safe vaccines. Stupid question. 

 

You seemed to have survived the many vaccines you were given when you were young. 

 

 

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Lots of safe vaccines. Stupid question. 

You seemed to have survived the many vaccines you were given when you were young. 

I survived tetanus, whooping cough and polio vaccines when I was a kid.

Can't say that is many.

 

I survived Yellow fever as an adult (cos they wouldn't let me in Africa without it)

I survived COVID x2 as an adult (cos they threatened me about travel again)

[rumak]

33 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 

 

Tearing into those reporters is great !  ..... Guys like Tucker , in hindsight might not be the best to make an enemy of .  (maybe its that ridiculous "laugh" that gets on one's nerves )  555

[Red Phoenix]

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I survived tetanus, whooping cough and polio vaccines when I was a kid.

Can't say that is many.

 

I survived Yellow fever as an adult (cos they wouldn't let me in Africa without it)

I survived COVID x2 as an adult (cos they threatened me about travel again)

 

I possibly did receive same 3 before becoming adolescent (don't recall and can't query my parents about it anymore). 

But what I do know is that since becoming adult I have NOT taken any vaccine for more than 50 years.  

And have ever since avoided to the extent possible any allopathic 'medicine' for the extremely rare cases that I was under the weather.  

That served me very well, as I am never sick.  

[SAFETY FIRST]

15 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I survived tetanus, whooping cough and polio vaccines when I was a kid.

Can't say that is many.

 

I survived Yellow fever as an adult (cos they wouldn't let me in Africa without it)

I survived COVID x2 as an adult (cos they threatened me about travel again)

Exactly what I'm saying, I'd say it's the same for most of us here.

I also had a yellow fever back in 2008, Lamchabung, required for me to work in Angola. 

[BritManToo]

47 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Exactly what I'm saying, I'd say it's the same for most of us here.
I also had a yellow fever back in 2008, Lamchabung, required for me to work in Angola. 

Yeah but today, they want to force another 40 vaccinations on you while you're still a child.

26 of those before you're 1 year old! I was 7 when I had my first 2 vaccinations.

 

My last childhood vaccination age 12, the entire class lined up in a corridor at school, and a nurse walks along, jabbing us all in turn, same needle, wiped with cotton wool between arms.

After that incident (so traumatic I remember it clearly 58 years later), I just refused all vaccination.

 

And no liability on their part for any resulting injury .........

Sounds like child abuse to me.

[Hawaiian]

20 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Yeah but today, they want to force another 40 vaccinations on you while you're still a child.

26 of those before you're 1 year old! I was 7 when I had my first 2 vaccinations.

 

And no liability on their part for any resulting injury .........

Sounds like child abuse to me.

In the past we never had an overabundance of ambulance chasers like we have today.

[rumak]

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Exactly what I'm saying, I'd say it's the same for most of us here.

I also had a yellow fever back in 2008, Lamchabung, required for me to work in Angola. 

 

Not exactly the same .   Most of us here had 3 or 4 shots when we were growing up .

 

 "Now, children could receive as many as 27 shots by 2 years of age and up to six shots in a single visit "

 

you are a little quick to use the  "stupid question"  retort in your first comment .... given the massive increase in childhood vaxxes nowadays.   And the sad fact that there are so many more childhood illnesses in spite of,  or maybe partly because of, the excessive use of these shots .

 

Note:  i see that BM2 also sees the disparity.  ( so obvious)

[SAFETY FIRST]

5 minutes ago, rumak said:

 use the  "stupid question"  retort in your first comment

You seem fine after your many safe vaccines also. 

 

The heading of the topic reads... Will there ever be a safe vaccine?

 

Now go away and annoy someone else. 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

You seem fine after your many safe vaccines also. 

 

The heading of the topic reads... Will there ever be a safe vaccine?

 

Now go away and annoy someone else. 

 

I'll answer the question; 'Will there ever be a safe vaccine?' for you Sir. No!! They are not safe (none of them). Not effective. Not necessary. Not science in any way. And anti nature.

 

Sorry to annoy you.

[SAFETY FIRST]

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I'll answer the question; 'Will there ever be a safe vaccine?' for you Sir. No!! They are not safe (none of them). Not effective. Not necessary. Not science in any way. And anti nature.

 

Sorry to annoy you.

So the vaccines you had in the past were not safe? 

 

Are you dead or!!! 

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

7 minutes ago, rumak said:

 use the  "stupid question"  retort in your first comment

You seem fine after your many safe vaccines also. 

The heading of the topic reads... Will there ever be a safe vaccine?

Now go away and annoy someone else. 

 

          Lots of safe vaccines. Stupid question. 

          ...

          Now go away and annoy someone else. 

Thanks for your interesting facts and evidence based take on the issue.  It finally convinced me that SAFETY FIRST is the main concern in vaccine matters.