21 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Last year there were 230 plus attacks on police offers in the UK. 96% were carried out by white men, usually drunk and disorderly. 

Where are you getting your figures from, those numbers are fantasy. 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Isn't this thread and discussion about the trial of the Manchester airport attackers??

bit of a pot calling the kettle there Joseph.

Are you in favour of the military parades and hands on military demonstrations during Children's Day in Thailand? 

 

Its just more Woke from some of our councils upsetting others.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok, I will dig out links of how the criminal justice system works.

Maybe you can dig out links of how this was "buried" in case Muslims got offended and how Farage had anything to do with the case.

Here you go Joseph. I hope you watch all this video instead of snippets on it. Even the CPS are being looked at hoping to quash this conviction.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

That is all correct.

And then the CPS has to go through all the evidence supplied and decide if it will stand up in a court of law, be defensible, and stand up to scrutiny before they send it for prosecution.

What Evidence do they need takes a few hours to watch all the footage from CCTV and Police Body Cams doesn't take over a year or are you going to dispute this with video evidence.

What part of you doen't understand. The police are not trusted, THE CPS are not trusted thats why Farage was willing to pay all costs to this case why do you think he did this ?? As for the police in the Met, alone they covered up rapes by there own officers, one even murdered a female before he raped her this is why we don't believe we wil not get justice. Would you trust them Joseph.

33 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Its just more Woke from some of our councils upsetting others.

Another member posting stupid emojis. Grow a spine and tell us why you put a thumbs down if you got the bottle.

39 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

bit of a pot calling the kettle there Joseph.

Are you in favour of the military parades and hands on military demonstrations during Children's Day in Thailand? 

 

The parade in question is in York in England

21 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Here you go Joseph. I hope you watch all this video instead of snippets on it. Even the CPS are being looked at hoping to quash this conviction.

 

 

 

 

Ha ha ha. Hilarious. Foghorning. Nothing more, nothing less.

Foghorn number two even makes it up as he goes along, saying it is under investigation by the IOPC (which it was) and that perhaps might mean the CPS don't prosecute which would blah blah blah, and if they don't prosecute we will crowd fund a private prosecution (not pay for it themselves even though Farage has got millions of pounds worth of your donations). No evidence that the CPS won't prosecute, just conjecture, what ifs, imagined scenarios, and nonsense. A it like this forum.

Oh, erm, the CPS did prosecute after due process. So this was showboating, foghorning, and based on no reasoned evidence, just "what if, if they don't, blah blah". Political showboating which is all Farage is capable of.

They did. The trial is ongoing.

Thank you.
 

4 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

The parade in question is in York in England

Yes Geof not in Thailand but he's straw clutching.

24 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

What Evidence do they need takes a few hours to watch all the footage from CCTV and Police Body Cams doesn't take over a year or are you going to dispute this with video evidence.

So you think the CPS just glance at a video clip and make a decision? Is that how flimsy you want their cases to be? Imagine how many people would get away with their crimes if the CPS just went "saw a ten second video clip on YouTube, prosecute. Next!"

Complete fantasy land stuff.

I have explained the due process in this case twice now, I am not going to do it a third time for you to ignore again. I have been doing it since the beginning too. Investigations done, evidence seemingly water-tight, complaints against the police dismissed, now in a criminal trial after which I fully expect to see a guilty verdict and jail time.  If the legal process went "watch video clip, ignore all inquiries and counter complaints, don't bother with witness interviews or cross checking of evidence,  send for immediate prosecution" they would be out already on a technicality or would have had their case dismissed by any decent lawyer. I thought you were all for law and order, no?

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ha ha ha. Hilarious. Foghorning. Nothing more, nothing less.

Foghorn number two even makes it up as he goes along, saying it is under investigation by the IOPC (which it was) and that perhaps might mean the CPS don't prosecute which would blah blah blah, and if they don't prosecute we will crowd fund a private prosecution (not pay for it themselves even though Farage has got millions of pounds worth of your donations). No evidence that the CPS won't prosecute, just conjecture, what ifs, imagined scenarios, and nonsense. A it like this forum.

Oh, erm, the CPS did prosecute after due process. So this was showboating, foghorning, and based on no reasoned evidence, just "what if, if they don't, blah blah". Political showboating which is all Farage is capable of.

They did. The trial is ongoing.

Thank you.
 

Well you got your reasons so you wont accept anything thats in your head joseph so theres no point trying to have a convo with you.

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Yes Geof not in Thailand but he's straw clutching.

I was drawing a parallel. I know you only draw with crayons, so never mind. 

Just now, josephbloggs said:

So you think the CPS just glance at a video clip and make a decision? Is that how flimsy you want their cases to be? Imagine how many people would get away with their crimes if the CPS just went "saw a ten second video clip on YouTube, prosecute. Next!"

Complete fantasy land stuff.

I have explained the due process in this case twice now, I am not going to do it a third time for you to ignore again. I have been doing it since the beginning too. Investigations done, evidence seemingly water-tight, complaints against the police dismissed, now in a criminal trial after which I fully expect to see a guilty verdict and jail time.  If the legal process went "watch video clip, ignore all inquiries and counter complaints, don't bother with witness interviews or cross checking of evidence,  send for immediate prosecution" they would be out already on a technicality or would have had their case dismissed by any decent lawyer. I thought you were all for law and order, no?

Whats better evidence a video showing clearly an attack or a written statement god talk about being Dense.

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

Well you got your reasons so you wont accept anything thats in your head joseph so theres no point trying to have a convo with you.

I agree no point in having a discussion anymore. I have consistently explained in detail how the process works and why it took the time it did and what the complexities of the case were and why due process takes time and why every case should follow it no matter what - it is the pillar of any functioning justice system.

You have ignored them all and just posted a foghorn, political grandstanding announcement full of conjecture and imagined scenarios which didn't even come to pass.

Just now, josephbloggs said:

So you think the CPS just glance at a video clip and make a decision? Is that how flimsy you want their cases to be? Imagine how many people would get away with their crimes if the CPS just went "saw a ten second video clip on YouTube, prosecute. Next!"

Complete fantasy land stuff.

I have explained the due process in this case twice now, I am not going to do it a third time for you to ignore again. I have been doing it since the beginning too. Investigations done, evidence seemingly water-tight, complaints against the police dismissed, now in a criminal trial after which I fully expect to see a guilty verdict and jail time.  If the legal process went "watch video clip, ignore all inquiries and counter complaints, don't bother with witness interviews or cross checking of evidence,  send for immediate prosecution" they would be out already on a technicality or would have had their case dismissed by any decent lawyer. I thought you were all for law and order, no?

A guy goes up to a member of the public in Star Bucks and head butts him. In full view of all the customers and staff and on any amount of cctv and the CPS take 5 months to decide whether to charge or not. Imagine how long they would take if it was actually a difficult case.

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I was drawing a parallel. I know you only draw with crayons, so never mind. 

Eff off

2 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

A guy goes up to a member of the public in Star Bucks and head butts him. In full view of all the customers and staff and on any amount of cctv and the CPS take 5 months to decide whether to charge or not. Imagine how long they would take if it was actually a difficult case.

Your wasting your time Geoff you can't educate pork.

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

Whats better evidence a video showing clearly an attack or a written statement god talk about being Dense.

You really don't get it do you. You really think a judge would accept a brief video clip without any other evidence or investigation? Is that how you think the criminal prosecution and crown court work? It would be thrown out immediately.

I am only glad you work nowhere near our legal system.

Jeez, this is hard going.

2 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

Eff off

I have made reasoned points, over and over again, you ignore all of them and this is where we end up. Says it all.

I'm done. 

Just now, BarraMarra said:

Your wasting our time Geoff you can't educate pork.

No wonder justice in the UK takes so long and is so expensive. If the bleeding obvious case take 5 months then the chances the culprit would die of old age in a complicated one.

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

I'm done. 

Great we can all get on with our lives now but my guess is you will be along soon.

1 minute ago, Geoff914 said:

Great we can all get on with our lives now but my guess is you will be along soon.

In one Geof im done with him too.

3 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

In one Geof im done with him too.

His view on doing  justice is out of the Horizon scandal book of how to seek justice. Been going on for 25 years and my guess is at least another 10 years to go.

Legal profession makes a killing prosecuting and defending the poor sub post masters and mistresses. It then all blows up and the legal profession makes another killing as it all goes through the public inquiry phase. Then they make a third killing when it all goes back to court to sort out the compensation and the prosecution for perjury  and perverting the course justice by the Post Office and its legal teams.

Then we have Grenfell Tower still to play out. What great times to be a legal person jumping on the gravy trains in the UK now.

1 hour ago, Geoff914 said:

No wonder justice in the UK takes so long and is so expensive. If the bleeding obvious case take 5 months then the chances the culprit would die of old age in a complicated one.

 

Which country would you point to where there is a justice system that you see as the model way? 

 

Thailand? Don't make me laugh. 

 

USA? It's pretty much the same as the UK with courts back logged months and years. If you think lawyers are bad in the UK, then go see how things work in the USA. 

 

India? You can end up in court cases for decades here ! 

 

The UK whatever it faults, has one of the strongest and safest law criminal codes in the world. Go ask Singapore, they copied the UK text book by text book. It's why people feel safe investing there. 

 

34 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

The UK whatever it faults, has one of the strongest and safest law criminal codes in the world. Go ask Singapore, they copied the UK text book by text book. It's why people feel safe investing there. 

 

Yea right did to see the news today? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cglzg8rnje7t Possible that 13 people committed suicide over the greatest miscarriage of justice in history. How many years of investigation has gone into this?

• The Post Office scandal has had "disastrous" impacts on sub-postmasters, a new report finds - here's what else it says

• Post Office bosses should have known the Horizon IT software was faulty, but "maintained the fiction that its data was always accurate" when prosecuting sub-postmasters, the official inquiry says

• The scandal may have led to 13 suicides, the report says, as it also criticises the "formidable difficulties" for those seeking compensation

• Former sub-postmaster Jo Hamilton says the 160-page report lays bare "the full scale of the horror that they unleashed on us"

• Family members who also "suffered personal injury" because of their "relative's suffering" will also be able to claim compensation, the government says

• The Post Office issues an "unreserved" apology for "a shameful period in our history" - here's how the scandal unfold

 

 

 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

You really don't get it do you. You really think a judge would accept a brief video clip without any other evidence or investigation? Is that how you think the criminal prosecution and crown court work? It would be thrown out immediately.

 

It seemed to work to get Michael Amesbury prosecuted for an equally violent assault. Strangely that didn't take 5 months to press charges. Notice the differences.

36 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

Yea right did to see the news today? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cglzg8rnje7t Possible that 13 people committed suicide over the greatest miscarriage of justice in history. How many years of investigation has gone into this?

• The Post Office scandal has had "disastrous" impacts on sub-postmasters, a new report finds - here's what else it says

• Post Office bosses should have known the Horizon IT software was faulty, but "maintained the fiction that its data was always accurate" when prosecuting sub-postmasters, the official inquiry says

• The scandal may have led to 13 suicides, the report says, as it also criticises the "formidable difficulties" for those seeking compensation

• Former sub-postmaster Jo Hamilton says the 160-page report lays bare "the full scale of the horror that they unleashed on us"

• Family members who also "suffered personal injury" because of their "relative's suffering" will also be able to claim compensation, the government says

• The Post Office issues an "unreserved" apology for "a shameful period in our history" - here's how the scandal unfold

 

 

 

 

 

No system is perfect. 

The Post Office scandal was to do with a failed IT system, not a direct fault of the judicary itself - although i do counter that it is debatable. 

 

I am not saying the UK system is perfect. Sentancing for actual crimes is a joke. But in terms of procedure and the court system it's one of the best in the world. Wait till you experience systems in other countries. 

 

 

36 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

It seemed to work to get Michael Amesbury prosecuted for an equally violent assault. Strangely that didn't take 5 months to press charges. Notice the differences.

He did not have his head stamped on by a policeman which was the first video that came to light and caused complaints about police excessive force. Therefore his case did not get referred to the IOPC or require an investigation by GMP.

He immediately plead guilty and was therefore dealt with by a magistrates court who could quickly pass sentence, it did not go to a full criminal trial. So no involvement of the CPS to gather evidence over a period of weeks, no scheduling of a complex criminal case in to an overloaded criminal justice system.

If you punch someone in a pub you will generally be seen by a magistrate the next day, plead guilty, accept your punishment, job done.

Do you really not understand the differences in the two cases? Really?? I don't understand how you can refuse to see what is so clearly obvious - the cases could not be more different.

5 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

You utter fool, it's been explained to you many times and you still don't get it. Michael Amesbury plead guilty at the first opportunity, so the case was simple and shut. These two idiot fools plead not guilty. Then you had the case of the alleged assault by the officer to look at too. 

Takes a fool to recognise a fool. Assault was on the 26 Oct 2024, charged on the 7 Nov 2024, so offense to being charged less than a month. On the flimsiest video evidense but not to dissimilar to the Manchester case. Court hearing 24 Feb 2025 being charged to court hearing 3 months. Pleading guilty of not the plea would not have been until he attended court.