1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

I see the incels and misogynists are piling in on this......sados.

 

You forgot to mention the victimised, "indigenous" Brits. Unlikely but maybe one or two aren't also misogynists.

2 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

That 6 woke liberals disliked your post says it all these days.  It may have been blunt - but the truth is that at Football, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis the U15 Boys would annihilate the Women - State, National and International levels.   The best woman tennis player of all time (Serena Williams) admitted that any of the top 50 men players would beat her 6-0 6-0.  In fact she said that the top 200 would beat her - it is a 'no contest'.  They hated her for that 🙂

 

One day soon reality is going to bite the woke feminist women on their collective butts. They are both physically and mentally inferior to males at all sports - and IMO they are the same in most aspects of life. Where they excel is where they have always left men for dead - running a home/family and work roles like teaching kids and nursing and media communications.  

 

Some wokes will shout sexist etc. but it is not - it is realist. The reason it is being said by myself and others is because we are sick of the BS about women's sports - especially their demands to be recognised and paid as much as the men. Right now the WNBA in USA is demanding they get paid more - even though they are totally subsidised by the NBA and have never made a profit.  They, like all woke liberals and feminists, are delusional. 

"Inferior to men in most aspect of life". Says it all about you. 

In case you didn't notice, this was a women's team playing in a women's tournament against other women's teams. 

So all the rest of your hateful nonsense about men being better is just your misogyny, pure and simple. If they said they were entering the women's team in to the men's world cup because they are just as good then you might have a point. But again, in case reading the article is too much for you, they didn't.

As it is you have no point, so just tootle back to your 1930's black and white life and leave us alone. 

Oh, and your argument about it not being sexist is just as weak as the people saying "I can't be racist because Islam isn't a race", or "I can't be racist because I had a black friend in school".

Trot along.

1 minute ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

That 6 woke liberals disliked your post says it all these days.  It may have been blunt - but the truth is that at Football, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis the U15 Boys would annihilate the Women - State, National and International levels.

 

Yes, under 15's schoolboys have hammered the women's international teams on many occasions. And not the best schoolboys either, just local teams. 

 

I tell you what would be interesting. Let the women play against younger and younger boys (international level schoolboys) to see at what age they could win a game. In my opinion, the U14's would hammer them. The U-13's might be a close game. The women would probably beat the under 12's. It would be fascinating to watch.

 

But well done to England women. Great job. But please, for the love of god, for the sake of football fans everywhere, don't take a job at the BBC as a pundit on the men's game.    

33 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

The team looks rather white to me. You might think Labour would be up in arms about the lack of DE & I

 

 

 

Good effort. Hard to get to the top, even harder to stay there.

 

Some points, just to shut down the Labour Lefties and their potential DE & I comments:

 

- The photo above not this years England Squad.

- England Woman's football team has had a Black Captain (previously)

- Approximately 10% of the England Female football team has been black (or mixed heritage) since 2000

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

hateful nonsense about men being better is just your misogyny,

🤣 🤣 🤣

 

The truth hurts - especially woke liberals. Suck it up Princess. 

3 hours ago, Gandtee said:

I bet Rayner wishes she could draw the same respect and adoration as the Lionesses.

She may if she resigned

Funny how all the Wokies supporting so called "transwomen" in the women's game a year ago are now acknowledging how ridiculous that notion is. 😆

 

They really have lost the argument. What a change in the landscape. Marvellous. 

Well done ladies, we're proud of you! 

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes, under 15's schoolboys have hammered the women's international teams on many occasions. And not the best schoolboys either, just local teams. 

 

I tell you what would be interesting. Let the women play against younger and younger boys (international level schoolboys) to see at what age they could win a game. In my opinion, the U14's would hammer them. The U-13's might be a close game. The women would probably beat the under 12's. It would be fascinating to watch.

 

But well done to England women. Great job. But please, for the love of god, for the sake of football fans everywhere, don't take a job at the BBC as a pundit on the men's game.    

As usual - the wokes will see any negative response pointing out reality as 'hate'.    I blame the 'female focussed' schooling they get these days.  There is far too much concern over feelings and equity, instead of facts and results - the inevitable result is they carry that lunacy forward and demand it also apply in 'real life'.   In my day it was 'stick and stones.....'  and the boys and girls who succeeded were celebrated. Now it is the minorities and disadvantaged that get recognised - and they will expel you if you hurt someone's feelings. They will ban you from all schools if you hurt the feelings of the school's gay black handicapped girl who they proudly display to show how 'inclusive and progressive' they are.  

 

2 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

🤣 🤣 🤣

 

The truth hurts - especially woke liberals. Suck it up Princess. 

 

They can't resist it. Any excuse to call someone an "ist". They love it. 

 

If someone pointed out that grown men are better than 10 year boys at Rugby Union they'd probably call them Ageist. A Misopedist.  😆

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Some points, just to shut down the Labour Lefties and their potential DE & I comments:

 

I don't want them shut down. I want their mentalism on display for all to see 😀😀

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

They can't resist it. Any excuse to call someone an "ist". They love it. 

 

If someone pointed out that grown men are better than 10 year boys at Rugby Union they'd probably call them Ageist. A Misopedist.  😆

Yep - they love their 'isms' and 'ists' dont they.   Great to see that they are being shut down more and more - long way to go but the tide is turning slowly slowly. 

 

For all you guys from UK the great news is that Starmer and his crew are doing exactly what Biden and his crew did - absolutely destroying the People's support for the looney left woke progressive agenda.  Same thing is happening in Australia - but not as bad as UK.  

 

We can all look forward to more 'pivoting' by the woke (like your point about Trans in sport),  as they realise they are becoming irrelevant and ignored - and they hate being ignored or irrelevant 🙂

  

6 minutes ago, Maypole31 said:

Well done ladies, we're proud of you! 

 

"Ladies"?

 

That's a bit edgy isn't it? A bit presumptious? A bit "2010"'s. A bit "problematic", especially in football. 

 

I think the preferred term is now "people with vaginas". 

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Some points, just to shut down the Labour Lefties and their potential DE & I comments:

 

- The photo above not this years England Squad.

- England Woman's football team has had a Black Captain (previously)

- Approximately 10% of the England Female football team has been black (or mixed heritage) since 2000

 

You can't shut them down.

 

Because whatever you do, it will never be enough. 

12 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

That 6 woke liberals disliked your post says it all these days.  It may have been blunt - but the truth is that at Football, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis the U15 Boys would annihilate the Women - State, National and International levels.   The best woman tennis player of all time (Serena Williams) admitted that any of the top 50 men players would beat her 6-0 6-0.  In fact she said that the top 200 would beat her - it is a 'no contest'.  They hated her for that 🙂

 

One day soon reality is going to bite the woke feminist women on their collective butts. They are both physically and mentally inferior to males at all sports - and IMO they are the same in most aspects of life. Where they excel is where they have always left men for dead - running a home/family and work roles like teaching kids and nursing and media communications.  

 

Some wokes will shout sexist etc. but it is not - it is realist. The reason it is being said by myself and others is because we are sick of the BS about women's sports - especially their demands to be recognised and paid as much as the men. Right now the WNBA in USA is demanding they get paid more - even though they are totally subsidised by the NBA and have never made a profit.  They, like all woke liberals and feminists, are delusional. 

 

You obviously didn't watch the final, otherwise you would have seen an event which had all the twists and turns needed for a great spectacle; tension, the result in doubt until the last minute, one team getting on top and then losing the initiative, unforeseen events e.g. injuries and no small amount of skill displayed by both teams. 

 

Would either team had a chance against their male counterparts? Of course not, but no ASEAN country would beat England or Spain's male teams so would you also we simply dismiss Thai footballers by suggesting that stick to Muay Thai? This women's Euro final was a sporting event enjoyed by millions; that's the main takeaway from it (and if you are English, we get to celebrate a win).

 

As for your belief that women are "mentally inferior" to men, maybe familiarise yourself with the scientific literature on the subject.

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

I see the incels and misogynists are piling in on this......sados.

 

100% - Threads such as this are Catnip for the bigotted misogynists... 

 

That said - there have been some rather amusing meme's rolling around the net...  But thats just humour - some of the comments on this thread are simply nasty and flawed.

 

3 hours ago, proton said:

Not even up to schoolboy standard, the girls should stick to netball,, rounders and tennis 

 

One does wonder how you'd have fared against these women - even back in your twenties or thirties. Something tells me it wouldn't have gone quite how you imagine.

 

Why shouldn't they play football? There’s absolutely nothing wrong with women competing in their own version of the game - just as they do in tennis, golf, gymnastics, athletics, hockey, swimming, and so on. Yes, women are naturally slower and less physically explosive across all sports. So what? That’s biology, not a moral failing.

 

The comparison isn't meant to be direct with the men's game. It's about women competing against other women at the highest level available to them. Judging them by male standards completely misses the point - and frankly, says more about your own need to feel superior than it does about the sport itself.

 

 

18 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

That 6 woke liberals disliked your post says it all these days.  It may have been blunt - but the truth is that at Football, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis the U15 Boys would annihilate the Women - State, National and International levels.   The best woman tennis player of all time (Serena Williams) admitted that any of the top 50 men players would beat her 6-0 6-0.  In fact she said that the top 200 would beat her - it is a 'no contest'.  They hated her for that 🙂

 

One day soon reality is going to bite the woke feminist women on their collective butts. They are both physically and mentally inferior to males at all sports - and IMO they are the same in most aspects of life. Where they excel is where they have always left men for dead - running a home/family and work roles like teaching kids and nursing and media communications.  

 

Some valid points - but none of them diminish the achievements of a female sports team (or individual) doing well, and becoming number one in their region, country, continent or the world....   

 

18 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

. The reason it is being said by myself and others is because we are sick of the BS about women's sports - especially their demands to be recognised and paid as much as the men. Right now the WNBA in USA is demanding they get paid more - even though they are totally subsidised by the NBA and have never made a profit.  They, like all woke liberals and feminists, are delusional. 

 

I believe much of the public discontent arises when calls for equal pay between men’s and women’s football are made without proper context. It’s not about dismissing the women’s game, but recognising the economic realities that underpin professional sport.

 

Consider rugby: the England men’s rugby team has struggled in recent years and doesn’t attract anywhere near the income, sponsorship, or global reach that football does. And even then, elite rugby players earn significantly less. Louis Rees-Zammit, a world-class rugby international, transitioned to the NFL and didn’t even make the final roster - yet still earns more on the NFL practice squad than he did playing top-tier rugby.

That alone illustrates the market-driven nature of sporting salaries.

 

Where things get particularly absurd is in the commentary space. I’ve seen pundits completely lose the plot, claiming that certain female footballers could “compete” in the men’s game. This is pure fantasy and intellectually dishonest. It’s been proven time and again - even at youth or lower men's levels, that the physical demands and technical pace are simply on different planes. Statements like these, often driven by a desire to be seen as progressive or "woke", do more harm than good.

 

There needs to be accountability when such nonsense is aired, and some basic common sense needs to return to the discussion.

 

None of this, of course, takes away from what the Lionesses have achieved. They've inspired a generation, won hearts, and raised the bar for women's sport in this country. Well done to the England Women’s Football Team - their success is rightly celebrated. But let’s keep the discussion still has to grounded and without the misogynistic bigotry.

Well done ladies. 

I'd give the ladies a go up against there male counterparts in rounders er Baseball and NBA a ladies game played by men lol.

1 minute ago, RayC said:

As for your belief that women are "mentally inferior" to men, maybe familiarise yourself with the scientific literature on the subject.

You were doing very well until then - any male who has lived and worked with females know the vast majority are just that - especially during their once a month 'episodes'.  One of the reason why Asian women are far happier and feminine than western ones (and why most are here) is because they accept and embrace that reality - they make by far the best female companions in the world compared to western women (on average). 

 

I did watch it on my IPTV service (not all but some on FF) - and I have been to Women's World Cap matches in Australia and I and my kids attended many women's games in Australia. I helped Coach several girls in Australia and one of them made the Australian squad years ago.  The women's game has improved a lot over the last 15-20 years - although they still need to develop the goalies a lot more as overall they are not as good as they should be (girls hate playing in goals). 

 

My point and that of the others is not that they did not do well, my point is that they are not equal to men and are in fact no where near that level. The over-hyped BS afforded to them has been way over the top and is undeserved.  That is why we are being negative - not the fact that they beat the world champions. We dislike the whole PR BS that accompanies any women's sports these days.  Hats off to the English girls - thumbs down to the media and political coverage.      

19 minutes ago, Maypole31 said:

Well done ladies, we're proud of you! 

 

If you are English, yours should be the simple message. If you are Spanish, then you should be proud of a team that performed brilliantly throughout the tournament.

 

Sadly, some male posters are using the opportunity to proclaim their superiority - simply by dint of their gender - while, at the same time, lamenting their fate as again - by dint of their gender - that they are victims of discrimination.

 

Square that circle?

All this fuss for a barely won game on penalties again, then celebrations and awards and sponsorships. The England team winning the 1966 world cup got a bonus of 1000 pounds each, the great Bobby Moore, one of the finest footballers England ever produced never even got a knighthood. These girlies have won a minor tournament with 4 other decent teams in it.

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Sadly, some male posters are using the opportunity to proclaim their superiority - simply by dint of their gender - while, at the same time, lamenting their fate as again - by dint of their gender - that they are victims of discrimination.

 

Square that circle?

 

So you think that only inferior people can be the victims of discrimination?

 

I'm not sure that's entirely consistent with your world view, Ray. 😆

2 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

My point and that of the others is not that they did not do well, my point is that they are not equal to men and are in fact no where near that level. The over-hyped BS afforded to them has been way over the top and is undeserved.  That is why we are being negative - not the fact that they beat the world champions. We dislike the whole PR BS that accompanies any women's sports these days.  Hats off to the English girls - thumbs down to the media and political coverage.      

 

I kind of agree...   Thumbs down to the political coverage....     and hats off to the English Female Football Team....

 

Anyone trying to equate any physical women's sport to a mans is a fool - but, that does not mean the female achievements are not great...   Look at the greats of the past in all the sports - swimming, gymnastics, tennis etc.. (and many I mentioned earlier) - we can recognise that the women are not as strong or as fast as the men yet still appreciate their brilliance.... So why not with football (for some)...   ???

... Is it in team-sports where the physical difference of speed and strength is amplified ? and we can see that more clearly ?

... Or, is it the politicisation that forces some to push-back with such a response they become bigoted ?

 

Many are suggesting the women do not get paid enough compared to the men...  we can of course understand why.

 

But no one has suggested the Mens footballers get paid way too much - the amounts are astronomically insane...  How is it that someone who kicks a ball around gets paid so much more than someone researching a cure for cancer ? - surely this is were a lot of the imbalance exists.

 

3 minutes ago, proton said:

All this fuss for a barely won game on penalties again, then celebrations and awards and sponsorships. The England team winning the 1966 world cup got a bonus of 1000 pounds each, the great Bobby Moore, one of the finest footballers England ever produced never even got a knighthood. These girlies have won a minor tournament with 4 other decent teams in it.

Err they defended there title won in 22 and got to a World cup in 23 i wouldn't say a world cup is a minor tournament would you ??

9 minutes ago, proton said:

All this fuss for a barely won game on penalties again, then celebrations and awards and sponsorships. The England team winning the 1966 world cup got a bonus of 1000 pounds each, the great Bobby Moore, one of the finest footballers England ever produced never even got a knighthood. These girlies have won a minor tournament with 4 other decent teams in it.

 

Wrong...     These 'girlies' have retained their European title against the World Champions, and reached a World Cup Final a couple of years....  outstanding achievements... 

 

But, with the septic world series of this that and the other which involves a 3 nations at best...  hmm...  any comments from an US American render into insignificance when they don't really know what a 'World Cup' or 'European Cup' really means... 

 

... though I do agree with the Bobby Moore comment, he did receive an OBE in 1967 but passed away too early at the age of 51 before a knighthood could be bestowed (and current UK honours system does not allow posthumous knighthoods, so the petition efforts were formally rejected).

 

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Where things get particularly absurd is in the commentary space. I’ve seen pundits completely lose the plot, claiming that certain female footballers could “compete” in the men’s game. This is pure fantasy and intellectually dishonest. It’s been proven time and again - even at youth or lower men's levels, that the physical demands and technical pace are simply on different planes. Statements like these, often driven by a desire to be seen as progressive or "woke", do more harm than good.

 

This is an excellent point. There have been a few women's footballers who have made some ridiculous statements. Megan Rapinoe and Eni Aluko spring to mind. They also come across as quite entitled, especially Rapinoe. Not great PR for one of the biggest names in the women's game to be a stupid, anti American, Blue haired entitled brat.

 

Then you have the racist Sam Kerr (found not guilty of course by the 2 tier British justice system). The fact that Spain's World cup victory was at least partly overshadowed by the furore over "the kiss" in the midst of crazy celebrations. The demand for equal pay despite the much lower standard and commerical draw. It's all bad PR for the women's game. They come across as brats a lot of the time. 

 

Then we have to listen to them critiquing male players who are on a totally different level to them on Match of the Day. I like a round of Golf but I'm not in any position to comment on Scottie Scheffler's putting. 

 

Then articles like this on the BBC womens football page. 

 

 

Do we? Do we really need to talk about that when looking for a footy score?

 

Keep the politics, demands, complaining and Wokery out of it and I think they'd be appreciated a lot more. 

Girlies stick to your lane

 

 

9 minutes ago, proton said:

Girlies stick to your lane

 

 

 

Idiots... stick to YOUR lane... 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Kinnock said:

The Lionesses won ..... and on penalties, something the England mens team could never do.

 

   England men won the World Cup without needing penalties .

England Woman haven't won the World cup

6 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

You were doing very well until then - any male who has lived and worked with females know the vast majority are just that - especially during their once a month 'episodes'.  One of the reason why Asian women are far happier and feminine than western ones (and why most are here) is because they accept and embrace that reality - they make by far the best female companions in the world compared to western women (on average). 

 

 Your opinion that women are "mentally inferior" to men has no scientific grounding.

 

My experience of living and working with women - shared by many others - differs from yours. Women are just as mentally capable as men.

 

6 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I did watch it on my IPTV service (not all but some on FF) - and I have been to Women's World Cap matches in Australia and I and my kids attended many women's games in Australia. I helped Coach several girls in Australia and one of them made the Australian squad years ago. 

 

Kudos to you for spending time developing others.

 

6 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

The women's game has improved a lot over the last 15-20 years - although they still need to develop the goalies a lot more as overall they are not as good as they should be (girls hate playing in goals). 

 

I agree.

 

6 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

My point and that of the others is not that they did not do well, my point is that they are not equal to men and are in fact no where near that level. The over-hyped BS afforded to them has been way over the top and is undeserved.  That is why we are being negative - not the fact that they beat the world champions. We dislike the whole PR BS that accompanies any women's sports these days.  Hats off to the English girls - thumbs down to the media and political coverage.      

 

No one is trying to argue that the women's game is as skilful as the men's. However, as a spectacle women's football can be just as exciting as the men's game. Man City have some of the best players in the world. Sometimes they are wonderful to watch, on other occasions when the ball is being passed around amongst themselves outside the box ad infinitum, I'd much rather watch a women's match.

 

This is the second-most important women's football tournament in the world, so imo the amount of coverage on this occasion is warranted. The hyperbole is over-blown but that is no different to the coverage of the men's game. The BBC is going overboard but the coverage would probably have disappeared by now if England had lost the final. 

 

However, I do have some sympathy with the idea that coverage of the women's game, especially the WSL is over-blown. If anything, interest in the domestic English women's game was declining - attendances in the WSL were down last season - not that you would have known that from the number of articles extolling it's virtues on the BBC website. My grievance here is that this coverage - and the equally overblown coverage of the EPL - is at the expense of the EFL, which is much more competitive and is thriving (attendances up in all three divisions).