1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

No Will, the Epstein thing was already announced by bondi, the media had already started on about Trump being part of it, but its now a convenient distraction too.

I am sure there were rumblings in DC that the Obama & the russia hoax story was coming out. I doubt anything can be kept totally secret there.

 

Oh give it a rest...everyone has seen the Youtube videos of the GOP demanding the release of the files.......then once into power...whoops...what files??

 

Patel, Bongino, Bondi, Vance......all spineless creeps.

Look...let's call a spade a spade. I don't know why everyone is beating around the bush with regard to this.

There is a very high probability that the reason why Trump ACTUALLY fell out with Epstein, is that Epstein began to run a RIVAL operation, perhaps utilising even younger girls. Stealing his customers. Pimps ALWAYS test their girls beforehand. It's more than just urban legend that pimps often test their girls to make sure they can offer good service.

How else do you think they both became so very rich? Why else do you think that the decor of Mar a Lago was/is so extremely tacky?

Having a former pimp as a president is not a good look. Don't get distracted by just the claims of paedophilia whilst missing that so very obvious implication.

If you ever watched the Jeremy Kyle interview with Ghislane Maxwell, you will realise that she tried to deliver some coded messages with what she was saying. That she wished that she had just stuck with being a banker, around 1998(if I recall correctly).

Ghislane Maxwell was not ever a banker. 

Becoming clearer now? She was handling the money transactions for the pimps. She knows who paid what and how.

 

So the unpleasant assertions by @Cameroni are not without merit. The girls were likely recruited to service his customers. Epstein just undercut him with younger girls and a more exclusive service.

This is likely the real reason why they fell out.

30 minutes ago, DrPhibes said:

In my day as a 17yr old, by the time a girl was 14 - 16, she was going to make out point on a date

 

With men in there 50's and having been transported to a private ranch or island first????......and you think you're not being creepy?

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

Oh give it a rest...everyone has seen the Youtube videos of the GOP demanding the release of the files.......then once into power...whoops...what files??

 

Patel, Bongino, Bondi, Vance......all spineless creeps.

You seem to be reading things in my comment that are not there..

 

Funny how YouTube clips are proof sometimes and others time not, depending what side of political argument you're on.

 

I have said before that I don't buy the story from bodgino and Patel, they both completely flipped on previous statements. 

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

With men in there 50's and having been transported to a private ranch or island first????......and you think you're not being creepy?

Its you making things creepy, it's pretty clear he was talking about when he was in school, as was I.

Yes its creepy for an old man to have sex with 16yr old, but if that is the age of consent, then is not illegal.

Trafficking them is.

Saying 'underage girls' implies much younger.

I don't think anyone here can get on their moral high horse about sex with young girls, I am sure most members have paid for girls 30+yrs younger than them. Some of the threads here are proof of that.

10 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You seem to be reading things in my comment that are not there..

 

Funny how YouTube clips are proof sometimes and others time not, depending what side of political argument you're on.

 

I have said before that I don't buy the story from bodgino and Patel, they both completely flipped on previous statements. 

Where’s the list?”

— Frequently repeated by Patel in media appearances, referring to Epstein’s alleged client list.

•  “Americans deserve to see everything. No redactions.”

— Said during a podcast in early 2024, calling for full release of Epstein-related documents.

•  “The cover-up is worse than the crime.”

— Referring to the FBI allegedly withholding flight logs, victim statements, and surveillance tapes.

 

just a tiny example.....

@frank83628 It's quite clear what is being said here, without actually being said. They were both pimps. 

16 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

Look...let's call a spade a spade. I don't know why everyone is beating around the bush with regard to this.

There is a very high probability that the reason why Trump ACTUALLY fell out with Epstein, is that Epstein began to run a RIVAL operation, perhaps utilising even younger girls. Stealing his customers. Pimps ALWAYS test their girls beforehand. It's more than just urban legend that pimps often test their girls to make sure they can offer good service.

How else do you think they both became so very rich? Why else do you think that the decor of Mar a Lago was/is so extremely tacky?

Having a former pimp as a president is not a good look. Don't get distracted by just the claims of paedophilia whilst missing that so very obvious implication.

If you ever watched the Jeremy Kyle interview with Ghislane Maxwell, you will realise that she tried to deliver some coded messages with what she was saying. That she wished that she had just stuck with being a banker, around 1998(if I recall correctly).

Ghislane Maxwell was not ever a banker. 

Becoming clearer now? She was handling the money transactions for the pimps. She knows who paid what and how.

 

So the unpleasant assertions by @Cameroni are not without merit. The girls were likely recruited to service his customers. Epstein just undercut him with younger girls and a more exclusive service.

This is likely the real reason why they fell out.

Quite an imagination you have, early sunday drinking is it?

 

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

Where’s the list?”

— Frequently repeated by Patel in media appearances, referring to Epstein’s alleged client list.

•  “Americans deserve to see everything. No redactions.”

— Said during a podcast in early 2024, calling for full release of Epstein-related documents.

•  “The cover-up is worse than the crime.”

— Referring to the FBI allegedly withholding flight logs, victim statements, and surveillance tapes.

 

just a tiny example.....

Did you see the part where I said I didn't believe both Patel & Bongino? 

5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Its you making things creepy, it's pretty clear he was talking about when he was in school, as was I.

Yes its creepy for an old man to have sex with 16yr old, but if that is the age of consent, then is not illegal.

Trafficking them is.

Saying 'underage girls' implies much younger.

I don't think anyone here can get on their moral high horse about sex with young girls, I am sure most members have paid for girls 30+yrs younger than them. Some of the threads here are proof of that.

 

Two of the sworn affidavits were from girls who were 12 and 13 at the time they were abused.

 

Both faced death threats and both voluntarily withdrew their statements.

 

Out of interest.....how many sworn affidavits have been made accusing Obama of sexually abusing minors?......I'll give you hint.....it's a nice round 'number'

@frank83628 There are none so blind as those who WON'T see. Why the deflection? This isn't on MSM, so why pretend to dismiss it out of hand?

That's why he wants this all to go away. Can you imagine the effect on his base when they understand that he was pimping out young girls?

The ONLY difference is that Epstein decided to provide even younger girls and a more exclusive space and likely took away some of his very wealthy clients.

That is likely the reason why Trump can proudly announce that he didn't ever visit the island. He didn't approve of a rival operation.

Finally, why do you think that he is considering the pardoning of Diddy? 

6 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Two of the sworn affidavits were from girls who were 12 and 13 at the time they were abused.

 

Both faced death threats and both voluntarily withdrew their statements.

 

Out of interest.....how many sworn affidavits have been made accusing Obama of sexually abusing minors?......I'll give you hint.....it's a nice round 'number'

Where can I read this?

I'm not realy Interested what happens in the US but now and then I will look at Post's that seam like Good meat on the bone threads like this one. Apart from the MAGA fans on here sticking there heads in the oven if Trump tells them, its the usual he said this he said that nonsense. Throw a few insults in keeps the thread going. What is striking Frank is you always seem to bring Obama or Biden into your post's not just in this thread but most of your posts in other threads.

 

@frank83628 Don't shoot the messenger. Just concern yourself with the likelihood of whether it is true or not true.

Do you expect the Admin to post their pictures? What is wrong with you?

You need to let go of your bias in order to be able to look at the evidence from a neutral stance.

 

I have a very good idea as to the likelihood of it being true. Through my connections in the fashion and music biz. I don't think that I need to say anything more about that. Just think about it. Connect the dots.

6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

I'm not realy Interested what happens in the US but now and then I will look at Post's that seam like Good meat on the bone threads like this one. Apart from the MAGA fans on here sticking there heads in the oven if Trump tells them, its the usual he said this he said that nonsense. Throw a few insults in keeps the thread going. What is striking Frank is you always seem to bring Obama or Biden into your post's not just in this thread but most of your posts in other threads.

 

Because I call out the hypocrisy of the media and members here. They totally ignore things done, said or lies from 1 side.

There are multiple threads where baseless accusations of trump committing treason have been posted, yet complete silence from everyone on a huge story about Obama, Clinton, fbi &CIA and the Russia hoax.

 Its coming to light it was all lies but those same people and outlets are silent on the matter.

 

 

 

A lot of rich people make their money in ways that would not be considered ethical in the mainstream. They often need to launder it. They become 'respected businessmen'( or not respected, but demand it anyway).

It takes a certain character. Don't close your eyes to the truth because you choose to imagine that the information is just an attempt at a political assassination.

Personally I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm just having a chat with my peers. No attacks on anyone.

Frank what has obama,clinton, FBI/CIA Russian hoaxes got to do with Maxwell being transfered to another Prison ?? Why can't you post on the topic?

I think there are enough pedos that had sex with underage teens that naming trump is interesting but not necessarily the first name in her memoirs. Prince Andrew comes to mind.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Victims (some as young as 14) stated Maxwell participated in the abuse, including during sexualized massages.

 

 

they wanked him off for cash.

@frank83628 Calm down. Stop ranting about the Dems, Obama, Biden....that is nothing to do with this thread.

I've pointed this out to you before. Your mind is totally bent out of shape.

I think you believe that I have no bias, simply because I have very little interest in politics at all. So I look at everything from as neutral a standpoint as I can. 

Of course Dems will be implicated in this too. Perhaps not as traffickers, but in other ways. So let's not lose sight of that. We are discussing a specific topic, let's not pollute with the same old ranting that you seem to do in every thread.

Keep to the subject, look at the evidence and decide on probability as to whether it is true or not.

They is waay too much evidence out there to dismiss it out of hand. You know this. Are you interested in truth or simply defending Trump no matter what he does or has done? 

10 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Frank what has obama,clinton, FBI/CIA Russian hoaxes got to do with Maxwell being transfered to another Prison ?? Why can't you post on the topic?

 I have only said I think Epstein is being used as a distraction. That was what i said in reply to another member, what I posted a

 above is a reply to you. Try reading the whole thread next time.

16 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

@frank83628 Calm down. Stop ranting about the Dems, Obama, Biden....that is nothing to do with this thread.

I've pointed this out to you before. Your mind is totally bent out of shape.

I think you believe that I have no bias, simply because I have very little interest in politics at all. So I look at everything from as neutral a standpoint as I can. 

Of course Dems will be implicated in this too. Perhaps not as traffickers, but in other ways. So let's not lose sight of that. We are discussing a specific topic, let's not pollute with the same old ranting that you seem to do in every thread.

Keep to the subject, look at the evidence and decide on probability as to whether it is true or not.

They is waay too much evidence out there to dismiss it out of hand. You know this. Are you interested in truth or simply defending Trump no matter what he does or has done? 

You should read my comment properly. Both mentions of Obama have been direct replies to other members and not related to this topic.

@frank83628 Could it be it's the other way around? That this nonsense Russia Hoax is being used as a distraction?

Look at the evidence? The Epstein thing is clearly NOT a hoax, is it? Trump is 'gaslighting' you. But Trump claimed that it was.

Truth, @frank83628 Do not become distracted by the noise coming from either side. Is it true or is it not true and if it is true, then why is he claiming that it is a hoax and constantly changing his stories?

We can focus on other figures in another thread. But step by step. Here we are discussing Trump, Maxwell, Epstein. Are you able to do that?

@frank83628 You do not have to reply to them. If you are interested in truth, then don't allow yourself to be distracted by getting into petty arguments. You can only do one thing at a time. So if you want to know if it's true or not, then look at the available evidence and decide for yourself. Drop the bias and look at the data.

Young girls were recruited to work in Trump and Epstein operations. Of that there is no doubt. Why? Even if 12,13 & 14 year old girls lied about being 16, they must have looked very young in the first place.

Why were they recruiting such young girls to work in a beach spa? I think anyone with a functioning brain, knows the answer to that question. This is not a hoax, as Trump is attempting to assert. 

The fallout between himself and Epstein is likely connected to this. Two alleged pimps connected by their interest in recruiting young girls.

 

Then, when the father of one of the girls went "ape-💩" according to a source at the time(alleged to be Trump himself posting under the name of John Barron(Baron Trump anyone), he claimed the girl was around 18. Clearly she was not 18, but he had to say that in order to deflect from the heat if she was actually 16.

4 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

Young girls were recruited to work in Trump and Epstein operations. Of that there is no doubt. Why? Even if 12,13 & 14 year old girls lied about being 16, they must have looked very young in the first place.

Why were they recruiting such young girls to work in a beach spa? I think anyone with a functioning brain, knows the answer to that question. This is not a hoax, as Trump is attempting to assert. 

 

 

Their small hands made Don's penis look bigger!

1 minute ago, SMIAI said:

@frank83628 Could it be it's the other way around? That this nonsense Russia Hoax is being used as a distraction?

Look at the evidence? The Epstein thing is clearly NOT a hoax, is it? Trump is 'gaslighting' you. But Trump claimed that it was.

Truth, @frank83628 Do not become distracted by the noise coming from either side. Is it true or is it not true and if it is true, then why is he claiming that it is a hoax and constantly changing his stories?

We can focus on other figures in another thread. But step by step. Here we are discussing Trump, Maxwell, Epstein. Are you able to do that?

Haha, get off your high horse. I am following the thread topic, stop trying to get comments removed.

 

On 8/1/2025 at 9:23 PM, Tug said:

Quell surprise….looks like the fix is in.

 

Why and how?  She is not a violent criminal and presents no threat to society at large. She was previously held at a minimum security prison in Florida, that was mixed gender and contained some violent offenders. She was sent there because the all women facilities for non violent offenders were filled up. Now she is at similar minimum security facility in Texas that is only women and does not have violent offenders. Where is the fix? Inmates are moved from facility to facility during the course of their detention. She is still in prison and she is still in the Federal prison system. At age 63 she does not present much of a risk to the general public.  

@frank83628 You are acting like a crazy person again. High horse? I am simply commenting on the evidence as I have seen it. If you have some evidence as a rebuttal, then please state it. No need to become 'emotional'.

"Comments removed" by asking you to stick to the topic, rather than your usual distractions(such as right now)?

 

Try to not become hysterical. Look at the evidence and decide for yourself. No need to discuss anything other than the subject of this thread. Is that reasonable or would you prefer to throw a hissy fit in order to distract from the subject matter?

You need to decide @frank83628 Seek the truth or try deflect from the truth.

I'm giving you every opportunity to show that you are not biased towards either side.

Let's do it this way @frank83628, with a direct question. Do you believe Donald Trump was ever a 'pimp'?