52 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

Young girls were recruited to work in Trump and Epstein operations. Of that there is no doubt. Why? Even if 12,13 & 14 year old girls lied about being 16, they must have looked very young in the first place.

Why were they recruiting such young girls to work in a beach spa? I think anyone with a functioning brain, knows the answer to that question. This is not a hoax, as Trump is attempting to assert. 

The fallout between himself and Epstein is likely connected to this. Two alleged pimps connected by their interest in recruiting young girls.

 

Then, when the father of one of the girls went "ape-💩" according to a source at the time(alleged to be Trump himself posting under the name of John Barron(Baron Trump anyone), he claimed the girl was around 18. Clearly she was not 18, but he had to say that in order to deflect from the heat if she was actually 16.

 

There is no evidence that 12 or 13 year old girls were implicated. The claims of women that they were 14 years old when they worked as prostitutes was not proven. I do not doubt that there were underaged  females entertaining men in return for compensation and an opportunity to live the high life. However, the 17 year olds who did this knew what they were doing, just as the  teenagers who work the sex districts in Thailand know what they are doing. It does not make it right, nor excuse the activity. However, they consented to the activity and certainly enjoyed the money and the perks of servicing disgusting men old enough to be their grandfathers and fathers..

1 hour ago, SMIAI said:

@frank83628 You do not have to reply to them. If you are interested in truth, then don't allow yourself to be distracted by getting into petty arguments. You can only do one thing at a time. So if you want to know if it's true or not, then look at the available evidence and decide for yourself. Drop the bias and look at the data.

Stop trying to tell me about my biases when every single post you make is an anti Trump one.

 

I made my opinion perfectly clear and why i think that way.

@Patong2021 There were claims from 12 & 13 year old girls, not just 14. I'm not looking to build a criminal case against Trump, so let's drop the 'proven' nonsense.

I am simply outlining the fact that all the evidence, including from the man himself, is that Donald Trump was providing sexual services at Mar a Lago. The age of the girls is another matter, isn't it? I have no idea why you have jumped to 17 year olds, when there is documented proof that there were 16 year old girls there.

Either way, pimping. Okay with you?

🤮

 

 

12 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

Let's do it this way @frank83628, with a direct question. Do you believe Donald Trump was ever a 'pimp'?

No, I find that to be one of the most mentally deranged things I have ever head anyone say about Trump to date.

@frank83628  The mere fact that you use the term 'mentally deranged' in the face of the overwhelming evidence presented, speaks to your own state of mind.

You are most certainly in denial. Seek help.  I think it best that we leave it there.

1 hour ago, SMIAI said:

Young girls were recruited to work in Trump and Epstein operations. Of that there is no doubt. Why? Even if 12,13 & 14 year old girls lied about being 16, they must have looked very young in the first place.

Why were they recruiting such young girls to work in a beach spa? I think anyone with a functioning brain, knows the answer to that question. This is not a hoax, as Trump is attempting to assert. 

The fallout between himself and Epstein is likely connected to this. Two alleged pimps connected by their interest in recruiting young girls.

 

Then, when the father of one of the girls went "ape-💩" according to a source at the time(alleged to be Trump himself posting under the name of John Barron(Baron Trump anyone), he claimed the girl was around 18. Clearly she was not 18, but he had to say that in order to deflect from the heat if she was actually 16.

I thought it was magas that were conspiracy theorists, you might want to leave reddit alone for  while.

 

Amusing you said 'functioning brain' when yours seem to be totally irrational.

 

If  girls lies about her age, is that a man's fault?

 

 

Just now, frank83628 said:

 

 

If  girls lies about her age, is that a man's fault?

 

 

 

How well does that excuse stand up in front of a judge ?

3 hours ago, DrPhibes said:

So, please be nice in responding.  Most states in the US have 16yrs for age of consent.  I have not seen anything that said the girls were under 16yrs (maybe missed it as there is so much talk about this).  I can understand saying the girls were traffic'd for sex but not sure what is making it child sexual traffic'd.  Not being a creep, just wondering what the law says on this.  In my day as a 17yr old, by the time a girl was 14 - 16, she was going to make out point on a date and doing more than a peck on the cheek, but it was the early 70's and that was the culture then despite what the laws were.

If you haven't seen anything saying there were girls under 16 involved then you can't have been following the case much. It was widely reported that some of the girls were as young as 14.

 

This was mentioned in the statement released by the US Attorney's Office after her sentencing (as it was by many media outlets during coverage of the trial).

 

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The victims were as young as 14 years old when they were groomed and abused by MAXWELL and Epstein, both of whom knew that their victims were in fact minors.  

 

Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-sentenced-20-years-prison-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually-abuse

 

And these were not girls going on dates with boys barely older than them, they were vulnerable and at-risk children who were targeted, groomed by Maxwell and then subjected to sexual abuse by both Epstein and Maxwell. 

 

Another extract from the same statement outlining what the evidence presented at trial proved: 

 

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MAXWELL enticed and groomed minor girls to be abused in multiple ways. For example, MAXWELL attempted to befriend certain victims by asking them about their lives, their schools, and their families, and taking them to the movies or on shopping trips. MAXWELL also acclimated victims to Epstein’s conduct simply by being present for victim interactions with Epstein, which put victims at ease by providing the assurance and comfort of an adult woman who seemingly approved of Epstein’s behavior.

[...]

As MAXWELL and Epstein intended, these grooming behaviors left minor victims vulnerable and susceptible to sexual abuse by Epstein. MAXWELL was then present for certain sexual encounters between minor victims and Epstein, such as interactions where a minor victim was undressed, and ultimately was present for sex acts perpetrated by Epstein on minor victims. That abuse included sexualized massages during which a minor victim was fully or partially nude, as well as group sexualized massages of Epstein involving a minor victim where MAXWELL was present. In some instances, MAXWELL participated in the sexual abuse of minor victims. 

 

@frank83628 If Donald Trump was employing them at Mar a Lago, it would be upon him to verify their ages, would it not?

Notwithstanding, why was he employing even sixteen year olds at his beach spa? We know he has confessed to sneaking in on young girls at beauty pageants and we know both he and Epstein had an unhealthy interest in young girls. We know that Ghislane Maxwell recruited girls for them and we saw large transfers of money facilitated by her, according to the Pandora Papers. Why? Even if the girls were sixteen...why?

 

@frank83628 Donald Trump is currently POTUS. It is not unusual for people to discuss current affairs. I have no interest in the running of their government, so I cannot discuss that, as I have little to no knowledge of that.

Others in the know can do that much better than myself.

That's why I am in THIS discussion, as I have some insight into it. 

It's merely a discussion. Nothing personal. But you seem to be taking it personally. Perhaps you should think about why you are doing that.

Ignore the evidence if you like. It means nothing to me.

9 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

How well does that excuse stand up in front of a judge ?

Not well at all. Goes both ways too, I have seen few female teachers in the news recently for getting involved with 15yr old pupils 

27 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

@frank83628  The mere fact that you use the term 'mentally deranged' in the face of the overwhelming evidence presented, speaks to your own state of mind.

You are most certainly in denial. Seek help.  I think it best that we leave it there.

It's not overwhelming evidence though is it, if it was it would have been used to jail Trump.

What it is is some unverified links on an unverifiable reddit account.

 

Your unhinged posts show your state of mind, you also sound remarkably like another member. 

@frank83628 It going both ways is actually true. I've been in the presence of female school teachers discussing exactly those things. So there are female predators too.

But that has nothing to do with the subject title. How about you stop with the constant attempts to deflect from the increasingly obvious truth of the matter?

@frank83628 Jail Trump for what? Being a pimp? Are the pimps in Thailand in jail? Don't be silly. I'm not even getting into the ages of the girls involved. I am just discussing the very obvious. That the evidence points to him providing sexual services using young girls, even if he thought they were sixteen..

 

Parsing the evidence and arriving at a logical conclusion is 'unhinged' in your mind, but your daily rants are...? You need a reality check @frank83628

17 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

@frank83628 If Donald Trump was employing them at Mar a Lago, it would be upon him to verify their ages, would it not?

Notwithstanding, why was he employing even sixteen year olds at his beach spa? We know he has confessed to sneaking in on young girls at beauty pageants and we know both he and Epstein had an unhealthy interest in young girls. We know that Ghislane Maxwell recruited girls for them and we saw large transfer of many facilitated by her according to the Pandora Paper. Why? Even if the girls were sixteen...why?

 

@frank83628 Donald Trump is currently POTUS. It is not unusual for people to discuss current affairs. I have no interest in the running of their government, so I cannot discuss that, as i have little to no knowledge of that.

Others in the know can do that much better than myself.

That's why I am in THIS discussion, as I have some insight into it. 

You seem to be going off on your own little rant. 

Stop tagging me with your obsessive posts.

 

I have made my opinion perfectly clear 3 times now.

Multiple trolling post removed.

 

@frank83628 final warning, stop using the term “syndrome” to both bypass the forum filters and as a way to attack others!

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

If you haven't seen anything saying there were girls under 16 involved then you can't have been following the case much. It was widely reported that some of the girls were as young as 14.

 

This was mentioned in the statement released by the US Attorney's Office after her sentencing (as it was by many media outlets during coverage of the trial).

 

 

Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-sentenced-20-years-prison-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually-abuse

 

And these were not girls going on dates with boys barely older than them, they were vulnerable and at-risk children who were targeted, groomed by Maxwell and then subjected to sexual abuse by both Epstein and Maxwell. 

 

Another extract from the same statement outlining what the evidence presented at trial proved: 

 

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-sentenced-20-years-prison-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually-abuse

 

maybe a few of the nothing to see here need to open their eyes and stop making excuses for epstein and maxwell...dispicable adults who preyed on children.

2 hours ago, SMIAI said:

Young girls were recruited to work in Trump and Epstein operations. Of that there is no doubt. Why? Even if 12,13 & 14 year old girls lied about being 16, they must have looked very young in the first place.

 

Min working age in florida is 14.

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Why and how?  She is not a violent criminal and presents no threat to society at large. She was previously held at a minimum security prison in Florida, that was mixed gender and contained some violent offenders. She was sent there because the all women facilities for non violent offenders were filled up. Now she is at similar minimum security facility in Texas that is only women and does not have violent offenders. Where is the fix? Inmates are moved from facility to facility during the course of their detention. She is still in prison and she is still in the Federal prison system. At age 63 she does not present much of a risk to the general public.  

 

According to various legal analysts I've heard talking about this, including at least one former prosecutor and assistant district attorney, it's very unusual for a convicted sexual abuser of children to be placed in one of these minimum security facilities. Child sexual offenses are considered very serious and are usually associated with higher security classifications. 

On 8/2/2025 at 9:27 AM, JonnyF said:

Good news. The sentence was obscenely harsh for hiring prostitutes, some of which later turned out to be underage. It was a warning to keep her mouth shut about who she was actually hiring them for. 

 

5 years would have been more appropriate. She's already served that. A pardon would be sensible. I suspect she will serve the rest of her sentence in relative luxury in exchange for silence about the clients on BOTH sides. 

So we can now add supporting sex traffickers to your notable list of supprt for …erm sex offenders like Trump.

That you support Maxwell the vile groomer of innocent, naive girls marks a new low even for you.

Looking forward to your comments supporting the Rotherham groomers.

Get help.

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Where can I read this?

I can only find one allegation involving a teenager (13 years old) - here's her affidavit.

 

JANE DOE, proceeding under a pseudonym, Plaintiff, v. DONALD J. TRUMP and JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN

 

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000

 

Various other women have publicly accused Donald Trump of sexual assault, including rape, kissing and groping without consent etc, although none of the others were teenagers at the time.

 

The article below details many of the allegations. 

 

The Allegations Women Have Made Against Donald Trump

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/allegations-women-have-made-against-donald-trump-n665731

 

Altogether, a total of 25 women have made allegations of sexual misconduct against Trump.

23 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

According to various legal analysts, including at least one former prosecutor and assistant district attorney, it's very unusual for a convicted sexual abuser of children to be placed in one of these minimum security facilities. Child sexual offenses are considered very serious and are usually associated with higher security classifications. 

It is even against the prison regulations so the doj had to take and extra step and  file for special exemption to allow a convicted felon like maxwell to be transferred to a relatively plush prison...what a coincidence that they suddenly decided to play nice and go out of their way to take care of maxwell a week or so after trumps former criminal defense lawyer meets with her privately to see if they can keep her quiet or better yet get her to say that trump knew nothing saw nothing particpated in nothing.

 

Even the cultiest of the cult might say why that sure is a big coincidence now ain't it.  As some maga have said..How dumb does he think we are?

 

I wish her well

 

 

 

Ghislaine Maxwell’s transfer to Federal Prison Camp Bryan in Texas has significantly improved her living conditions compared to her previous facility in Florida. Here’s how the move has made life better for her:

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🏕️ Softer Prison Environment

• Minimum-security status: Her new facility is classified as a federal prison camp, the lowest security level in the U.S. system A B.
• Dormitory housing: Instead of cells, inmates live in dorm-style accommodations with more freedom of movement C.
• Limited perimeter fencing: Unlike her previous prison, which had double-fenced perimeters, Bryan has minimal security barriers C.

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🍽️ Better Living Conditions

• Improved food access: Maxwell had complained about moldy food and inadequate vegetarian options at FCI Tallahassee D. Bryan offers access to a commissary with items like Pot Noodles, chocolate, and even beauty products D.
• Work programs: Inmates can earn up to $1.15/hour through jobs in food service or factory work B.
• Rehabilitation and education: Classes in foreign languages, business skills, and programs like “Assert Yourself for Female Offenders” are available B.

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🧘‍♀️ Lifestyle Perks

• Yoga and pilates: Previously housed in an “honor dorm” in Florida, Maxwell now has access to similar wellness activities E.
• Dog training program: Bryan offers a unique opportunity for inmates to train service dogs through Canine Companions for Independence B.

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🛡️ Safety and Mental Relief

• Escape from disturbing conditions: Maxwell reportedly struggled with loud sexual activity among inmates and unsanitary conditions like rat droppings and black mold D.
• Reduced stress: The move was partly motivated by concerns for her safety after high-profile meetings with DOJ officials and rising media attention D F.

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⚖️ Strategic Legal Positioning

• Proximity to legal contacts: Her transfer followed meetings with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche and discussions about testifying before Congress F E.
• Potential for clemency: Maxwell has petitioned for a pardon and offered to testify in exchange for immunity E.

 

7 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

According to various legal analysts I've heard talking about this, including at least one former prosecutor and assistant district attorney, it's very unusual for a convicted sexual abuser of children to be placed in one of these minimum security facilities. Child sexual offenses are considered very serious and are usually associated with higher security classifications. 

OK, but Maxwell was neither accused not convicted of sexual abuse or of assaulting minors. She was convicted on charges of  human trafficking, and conspiracy to traffic persons.  Yes, her crimes were awful, but she did not directly touch the people and does not present a direct physical threat to others as  sexual crime assailants do. That's the  difference. The Bryan facility holds others who have enaged in similar crimes. The most notable is Elizabeth Holmes, the billionaire founder of Theranos, who was convicted of fraud. Theranos  involved branding of people, sexual exploitation and conspiracy. 

 

If any of you lonely men are interested in corresponding with "political prisoner" Maxwell, her mailing address is ;

Name: GHISLAINE MAXWELL

Register Number: 02879-509

FPC Bryan
FEDERAL PRISON CAMP
P.O. BOX 2149
BRYAN, TX   77805

 

She is scheduled for release on July 17, 2037. That's only 12 years away. If you play your cards right, you might have a new wife 75 years young. Or if she is let out early, who knows, you might have a soulmate. After all, some of you men who frolic in Thailand and Cambodia may have something in common.  🫠 And remember  be polite and respectful. The  guards will be reading her letters. If you want to send her money  so she can by items like soap, the  Federal Prison Bureau has a  mailing address for that. Maybe  for Valentines day, some of you fellows can pool your resources to send her a card.

15 hours ago, Red Forever said:

So we can now add supporting sex traffickers to your notable list of supprt for …erm sex offenders like Trump.

That you support Maxwell the vile groomer of innocent, naive girls marks a new low even for you.

Looking forward to your comments supporting the Rotherham groomers.

Get help.

 

A laughable strawman from the resident forum tard.😀

 

As you know I have said multiple times I supported a jail term for Maxwell.

 

I do not support using her as a deflection from the people she trafficked the underage prostitutes to. 

 

Giving her an usually long sentence does not mean your leftist buddies who were on Epstein island can walk free. Much as you would like them to. 

 

Faux outrage for Maxwell does not appease you of your disgusting defense of the Rotherham rape gangs. Much as you would like it to. 

 

Suggesting I "support" Maxwell is low even by your standards. As bad as the Labour guy Peter Kyle trying to link Farage with Saville because he opposes online censorship. I guess you two are cut from the same dirty cloth. Sad. 

 

 

To be fair to the man, the evidence doesn't support that he was running his own operation out of Mar a Lago, even if he was employing very young girls there.

 

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

OK, but Maxwell was neither accused not convicted of sexual abuse or of assaulting minors. She was convicted on charges of  human trafficking, and conspiracy to traffic persons.  Yes, her crimes were awful, but she did not directly touch the people and does not present a direct physical threat to others as  sexual crime assailants do. That's the  difference. The Bryan facility holds others who have enaged in similar crimes. The most notable is Elizabeth Holmes, the billionaire founder of Theranos, who was convicted of fraud. Theranos  involved branding of people, sexual exploitation and conspiracy. 

 

Sorry, but that's not accurate. Maxwell was both indicted for and convicted of, sexual abuse of minors. Evidence given by multiple witnesses at her trial showed that she was an active participant in the abuse, along with Epstein. Multiple witnesses testified that she did in fact "directly touch" them.

 

Here's an extract from her indictment, published on the DOJ website.

 

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"That abuse included sexualized massages during which a minor victim was fully or partially nude, as well as group sexualized massages of Epstein involving a minor victim where MAXWELL was present. In some instances, MAXWELL participated in the sexual abuse of minor victims."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-client-list-raises-ghislaine-maxwell-questions-2095301

 

Here's a statement from the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, after the guilty verdict. 

 

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“A unanimous jury has found Ghislaine Maxwell guilty of one of the worst crimes imaginable – facilitating and participating in the sexual abuse of children.  

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/statement-us-attorney-damian-williams-verdict-us-v-ghislaine-maxwell

 

And here are verbatim statements made by witnesses during the trial.

 

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Testimony from the victims began on November 30 with “Jane,” who said that Maxwell sometimes joined in on the sexualized massages. [...] Carolyn testified the next day that Maxwell once touched her breasts, hips and butt and told her she “had a great body for Epstein and his friends.” She was 14 at the time, she said.

 

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Finally, Farmer testified that she was 16 years old when Maxwell massaged her naked chest at Epstein’s New Mexico ranch in 1996.

 

4 women testified at Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial that they were sexually abused. Here’s what they said

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/15/us/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-accusers

Would be great if Maxwell told all, without pressure from a trump aide.......

 

 

9 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

Sorry, but that's not accurate. Maxwell was both indicted for and convicted of, sexual abuse of minors. Evidence given by multiple witnesses at her trial showed that she was an active participant in the abuse, along with Epstein. Multiple witnesses testified that she did in fact "directly touch" them.

 

Here's an extract from her indictment, published on the DOJ website.

 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-client-list-raises-ghislaine-maxwell-questions-2095301

 

Here's a statement from the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, after the guilty verdict. 

 

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/statement-us-attorney-damian-williams-verdict-us-v-ghislaine-maxwell

 

And here are verbatim statements made by witnesses during the trial.

 

 

 

4 women testified at Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial that they were sexually abused. Here’s what they said

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/15/us/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-accusers

Ok. However, that's not the conviction.

Mark Epstein has questioned the official conclusion on his brother Jeffrey Epstein's death, suggesting it may not have been a suicide. He also claimed that Jeffrey possessed damaging information regarding President Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, noting that the information could have impacted the 2016 election. Mark added that his brother had previously implied that revealing the details would have forced the election to be canceled.

 

Epstein’s Brother Raises Alarms on FBI Memo