Zelensky v Putin

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

You know full well how many countrys helped defeat Germany Cameroni don't try that old one. Your clutching at Straws.

 

What price did Israel pay for invading Lebanon? Virtually none.

 

What price did the USA pay for invading Haiti? None

 

What price did Turkey pay for invading Cyprus? Virtually none.

 

What price did the US pay for invading Laos? None.

 

 

[Summerinsiam]

What I do know is that his tanks are not poised to invade Western Europe. 

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

I would agree with the sentiment, but not the substance.  Unless Zelensky is prepared to make territorial concessions and accept the deal offered to him by Putin,via Trump, then Putin has no intention of meeting him. Why would he? The Russians are undoubtedly winning a grinding war of attrition, and will ultimately take more territory. The Russian economy has largely sanction proofed- itself and the Americans will no longer give Zelensky carte-blance. If Trump really wants a deal he will have to blindside the hapless Europeans and push Zelensky harder.

Putin thanks you.

[Summerinsiam]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Putin thanks you.

Grow up

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

Grow up

If agreeing with useful idiocy for genocidal war criminal dictator Putin is grown up, thanks but no thanks. 

[BarraMarra]

27 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Which is about the most stupid thing you could possibly do. Put armed forces in harm's way to provoke a war with Russia. What a great plan.

 

Even Biden and Kamala and Johnson were not that stupid.

Peacekeepers were sent to Kosovo and other Countrys when Ceasefires were in place.

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Peacekeepers were sent to Kosovo and other Countrys when Ceasefires were in place.

 

No, you don't say, and tell me, was Serbia a nuclear power?

 

Okay then. So we did not need to be concerned that a war with Serbia could catapult us into destruction of the  planet?  Okay then.

 

So not really the same at all, is it?

[BarraMarra]

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

What price did Israel pay for invading Lebanon? Virtually none.

 

What price did the USA pay for invading Haiti? None

 

What price did Turkey pay for invading Cyprus? Virtually none.

 

What price did the US pay for invading Laos? None.

 

 

Militia groups in most country's you mentioned. What price are Laotions paying even now thanks to to the US airforce dropping millions of landmines.

[Cameroni]

Just now, BarraMarra said:

Militia groups in most country's you mentioned. What price are Laotions paying even now thanks to to the US airforce dropping millions of landmines.

 

Yes, the Laotians certainly paid the price, but what price did the US pay for invading Laos? None.

 

What price did the US pay for invading Haiti? None.

 

What price did the US pay for invading Panama? None.

 

Militias, yes, but Israel did not pay a real price for invading Lebanon.

 

History does not show that invading another country incurs a large price, rather that this price is only incurred when one of the interests of the very large and powerful nations is at stake.

[DonniePeverley]

Long term it sets a bad vibe to allow Russia to get away with this. Other countries will see this as weak. 

 

The Russian economy is no bigger than Spains - yet many are acting like it has endless resources to carry on. It won't have. 

[BarraMarra]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, you don't say, and tell me, was Serbia a nuclear power?

 

Okay then. So we did not need to be concerned that a war with Serbia could catapult us into destruction of the  planet?  Okay then.

 

So not really the same at all, is it?

No it was a war between bosnians and Serbs. One comitted genocide and was stopped with Allied aircraft defending them. Most of the other conflicts are what they are conflicts not a full scale war between two major countrys. America declared war on Japan other countrys aided them to defeat the japanese. 

[candide]

53 minutes ago, Miloki said:

 

No the REAL heroes are the ones who post on the internet cheering this war on while 69% of Ukrainians want this war over immediately in negotiated settlement.

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

Plenty of other interesting information from this poll.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

For example

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

No it was a war between bosnians and Serbs. One comitted genocide and was stopped with Allied aircraft defending them. Most of the other conflicts are what they are conflicts not a full scale war between two major countrys. America declared war on Japan other countrys aided them to defeat the japanese. 

 

And arguably that was the goal all along, to take out a rival in the Pacific, because prior to 1941 America put an oil embargo in place on Japan, which starved the Japanese economy of oil. So Japan had little alternative but to go to war.

[BarraMarra]

You must realise Cameroni the difference between two warring nations is that you fight the Enemy. Once they start comitting Atrocities on Civilians the world unites to defeat them. Iraq invaded another country same as what Putin has done to Ukraine we should have done the same and formed a coalition to stop Putin but we never probably because Russia is Nuclear powered.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

You must realise Cameroni the difference between two warring nations is that you fight the Enemy. Once they start comitting Atrocities on Civilians the world unites to defeat them.

 

I'm particularly sensitive to civilians being targeted in war. But of course the Ukrainians themselves have done likewise and killed countless Russian civilians.

[candide]

After trolling Trump and Zelinski by proposing a meeting in Moskow, Russia stalls Trump proposal of a direct meeting between Putin and Zelinski.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/20/world/why-putin-no-meet-zelensky-analysis-latam-intl?cid=android_app

[BarraMarra]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I'm particularly sensitive to civilians being targeted in war. But of course the Ukrainians themselves have done likewise and killed countless Russian civilians.

B/S Cameroni Putins killed pregnant Mothers in strikes on Maternity Hospitals, targeted Shopping Malls knowing familys are out shopping. so dont start that game Ukraines gone for supply depots, they were told not to use ICBMS donated to use on civillian targets.

[Cameroni]

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

B/S Cameroni Putins killed pregnant Mothers in strikes on Maternity Hospitals, targeted Shopping Malls knowing familys are out shopping. so dont start that game Ukraines gone for supply depots, they were told not to use ICBMS donated to use on civillian targets.

 

Almost 2000 Russian civilians have been killed by the Ukrainians, including Darya Dugina, the journalist.

 

The Russian army has killed around 12000 civilians.

 

Both tallies are highly regrettable, but when you compare them to the number of civilians the British and Americans killed in WWII, you have to conclude that the Russians are positively humane and law abiding.

 

Four million civilians died in Germany.  Over 2 mllion Japanese cvilians died. That's over 6 million killed by the British and Americans and their allies.

 

So the lament about civilians casualties in Ukraine has to be put in context. It's a regrettable number, but by the numbers the Western countries killed the civilian casualties are low.

[Miloki]

28 minutes ago, candide said:

Plenty of other interesting information from this poll.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

For example

Only if you are looking to cherry pick something that is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand in order to distract from the fact that you are continually advocating for a war that the Ukrainian people don't want.

 

That's pretty twisted, many might say sick.  Definitely evil.

[candide]

14 minutes ago, Miloki said:

Only if you are looking to cherry pick something that is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand in order to distract from the fact that you are continually advocating for a war that the Ukrainian people don't want.

 

That's pretty twisted, many might say sick.  Definitely evil.

I'm definetely evil and Putin isn't! 

 

Of course, they don't want this war they did not start. The real issue is what peace they want. Obviously, it's not what Putin and Trump (so far) propose. 

[Miloki]

1 minute ago, candide said:

I'm definetely evil and Putin isn't! 

 

Of course, they don't want this war they did not start. The real issue is what peace they want. Obviously, it's not what Putin and Trump (so far) propose. 

 

And now you just blatantly lie about what the poll says.  You completely disgust me and I will not respond to you any further.

[candide]

8 minutes ago, Miloki said:

 

And now you just blatantly lie about what the poll says.  You completely disgust me and I will not respond to you any further.

I did not claim that's what the poll said. Don't put words in my mouth. That's disgusting! 

 

That's from another poll.

 

[candide]

Perception of individual peace plans to end the war

 

https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=1543&page=1

 

It is advisable to consider in more detail the perception of peace plans. So, 76% of Ukrainians categorically reject Russia's plan to establish peace (up from 82% in May).Can agree to Russia's demands – 17% (up from 10% in May).

39% of respondents would accept the USA conditional plan and this indicator has increased from 29% in May (at the same time, as before, respondents mostly emphasize that this option is difficult for them). At the same time, for a larger share of Ukrainians (49%) the plan is categorically unacceptable (in May it was 62%).

54% are ready to accept a joint plan of Europe and Ukraine (in May it was 51%). Consider this plan categorically unacceptable – 30% (in May – 35%).

[Cameroni]

It's always the most evil ones who kill a thread with graphs. There's always one.

[Schoggibueb]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, you don't say, and tell me, was Serbia a nuclear power?

 

Okay then. So we did not need to be concerned that a war with Serbia could catapult us into destruction of the  planet?  Okay then.

 

So not really the same at all, is it?

With such kind of argumentation, you clearly say that every country wich has nuclear weapons can take whatever they want. And all the otherpeacefull countries shall wave their white flags. That's ridiculous.

 

Youre thinking is going backwards to the 19th century:

No humanity, no rule of law, no fundamental rights, no accountability, no separation of powers.

[Cameroni]

8 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

With such kind of argumentation, you clearly say that every country wich has nuclear weapons can take whatever they want. And all the otherpeacefull countries shall wave their white flags. That's ridiculous.

 

Youre thinking is going backwards to the 19th century:

No humanity, no rule of law, no fundamental rights, no accountability, no separation of powers.

 

Not at all. However, Russia is not "every country with nuclear weapons". Russia has the nuclear arsenal to destroy every country in the world, the entire planet, hundred times over.

 

Obviously it would be foolish to equate Serbia or any other non-nuclear country with Russia. And obviously you need to consider whether you want to precipitate a nuclear war with Russia, which is what Biden did and why Biden did not want to put troops on the ground in Ukraine, despite favouring :Ukraine very greatly.

 

No country that is sane would willingly enter into a nuclear war, as it would entail not just MAD, mutually assured destruction, but also potentially the destruction of the entire planet.

 

This does not mean the rule of law does not apply to conventional conflicts, nor does it mean there are no fundamental rights.

 

However, if you seriously think you can arrest Putin and hold him accuntable for crimes against humanity, then perhaps you're not wise to the ways of the world.

 

Nuclear powers can get a away with murder. Israel has recently done so quite blatantly. The US has done so many times. It's just the way of the world. I'm not making these rules, I'm just disclosing them for you.

[candide]

31 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's always the most evil ones who kill a thread with graphs. There's always one.

It's certainly a lesser evil than killing innocent civilians with missiles, while invading another country! 🤣

[Cameroni]

Just now, candide said:

It's certainly a lesser evil than killing innocent civilians with missiles, while invading another country! 🤣

 

Theoretically, yes. Can you prove it with a graph though?

[ExpatOilWorker]

The world stand united against Russia 🇷🇺. 

 

[candide]

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Theoretically, yes. Can you prove it with a graph though?

Theoretically? 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/18/russia-pounds-ukraine-kills-more-civilians-before-white-house-meeting