1 minute ago, Hellfire said:

Are you one of those who believes Donbass is Putin’s only goal? What makes you think that? Is it just a convenient way to simplify things and ignore the broader reality?

Are you one of those who believes he is after world domination?

4 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

What’s that got to do with the EU? Clean up your own backyard before sticking your noses elsewhere. 

 

I mean.... All you needed to do was read the first sentence 

 

 

"and damaging the European Union's delegation office"

 

 

For starters...

6 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

largest nuclear arsenal in the world?

Yes it seems that having a nuclear deterrent really does work to dissuade the bully boys  I wonder if Iran will now go full steam ahead.

2 minutes ago, JayClay said:

"and damaging the European Union's delegation office"

Who damaged Germany and Hungary's pipelines ?

both NATO members..why no outrage about that I wonder hmmm.

57 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

You will find how powerful Europe is without the help of the Yanks. A joint European army wouls smash Russia  just in airpower alone. Forget any ceasefire deals start sending long range Missiles to strike Russian Civillian targets see how they feel watching there kids and familys killed.

The most Europe will do is send a strongly worded letter requesting to speak to the manager.

Just now, Summerinsiam said:

Are you one of those who believes he is after world domination?

No. His true goal is the resurrection of Soviet influence, as it was in 1945. Only the blind or the foolish could fail to see this simple fact. Donbass? To him, it means nothing. With the memory span of flies, some have already forgotten that Putin initially attacked the whole of Ukraine.

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

OOOhhhhhhhh.

 

Big tough words from the EU. I'm sure Putin is quaking in his books. Weally Weally Scawy. 😃

 

All mouth and no trousers from the EU technocrats as usual. Shut up and create some more regulations, or something. 

Putin knows the EU is weak.

5 minutes ago, johng said:

 

If that happens  they also include  the covid conspirators Fauci et

al   + Netanyahu and Co

Wer'e not discussing Israel johnG.

 

12 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

How will he be put on trial when he has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world? Such naive thinking is detached from reality.

Your forgetting The UK and France has Nuclear capabilities too Summerinsiam.

Just now, Hellfire said:

Putin initially attacked the whole of Ukraine.

Shock and awe tactic   that almost worked except for that darned

Boris Johnson and Biden intervention to implore Ukraine to fight back and  win,because we (NATO) have your back..yeah right.

3 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

No. His true goal is the resurrection of Soviet influence, as it was in 1945. Only the blind or the foolish could fail to see this simple fact. Donbass? To him, it means nothing. With the memory span of flies, some have already forgotten that Putin initially attacked the whole of Ukraine.

Seems like you bought Zelenskey"s narrative hook, line and sinker.

Just now, johng said:

Shock and awe tactic   that almost worked except for that darned

Boris Johnson and Biden intervention to implore Ukraine to fight back and  win,because we (NATO) have your back..yeah right.

With a comment like that, you must be one of Putin’s trolls.

3 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Wer'e not discussing Israel

Well you should be...far more women, children,doctors,aid workers and journalists killed there every day.

14 minutes ago, JayClay said:

 

I mean.... All you needed to do was read the first sentence 

 

 

"and damaging the European Union's delegation office"

 

 

For starters...

 

10 minutes ago, johng said:

Who damaged Germany and Hungary's pipelines ?

both NATO members..why no outrage about that I wonder hmmm.

 

...I think you quoted the wrong post...

3 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

With a comment like that, you must be one of Putin’s trolls.

 

With a comment like that you either know nothing or are a Zelensky troll.

7 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

Seems like you bought Zelenskey"s narrative hook, line and sinker.

Zelensky? I was born in the Soviet Union. Two of my great-grandfathers perished in the Gulag at the age of thirty two and thirty six. Few people on this forum know and understand the meaning of Russian imperialism (as well as Russian fascism) as I do. And you’re telling me that my understanding comes from Zelensky’s narratives? That’s ridiculous. What is far more obvious is that your own view of this conflict stems from the most primitive Russian propaganda. Just three or four years ago, you Ukraine-haters wouldn’t even have been able to find this country on a map.

47 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

You think Russia wouldn't retaliate if EU countries started bombing it's civilian targets with long range missiles?

 

I'm glad your finger isn't on the button.

The EU or Ukraine are not going to target civilians. Duh.

You're thinking of Putin's Z fascist orc terrorism.

1 minute ago, JayClay said:

 

 

...I think you quoted the wrong post...

 

You talked about damage to a European delegation building in a non NATO country and I mention the damage to  NATO members infrastructure.

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

So what Putin is a war Criminal and must be stopped. You won't stop him sitting round a table with him. Even when Trump was arselicking round him in Alaska His Drones were flattening tower blocks in kiev. He will not stop.

Obviously.

1 minute ago, johng said:

 

You talked about damage to a European delegation building in a non NATO country and I mention the damage to  NATO members infrastructure.

 

I have not been following that story. I was simply responding to somebody who asked the question "what has it got to do [with the EU]".

 

I'm certainly not interested in comparing this attack it against every other issue the EU may or may not have faced; that would take all day and would not be a productive use of time.

 

What does it have to do with the EU was the question.

The answer is that, at the very least, their property was damaged.

41 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

How do you know? It must be great to be so omnipresent. Since the beginning, the whole western strategy has been to calibrate military assistance, keep the conflict localized, and above all avoid escalation. Putin rightly or wrongly sees this as existential and nobody really knows if he is bluffing or not. What is known is that his fate is tied to the outcome of this conflict. Do you really believe that its worth risking nuclear armageddon  just so Zelenskey can keep the Donbas?

You seriously think this is only about the Donbas?

Wow. Total ignorance. 

Whats this Thread Title JohnG. If you want to start a thread on the Israeli conflict go ahead.

 

35 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Or he knows he will be put on trial and his buddies will face A Nurenberg trial.

If he loses his fellow Russians will murder him before any trial.

A win win that would be.

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The EU or Ukraine are not going to target civilians. Duh.

You're thinking of Putin's Z fascist orc terrorism.

 

Perhaps you didn't see the post I was replying to?

 

7 minutes ago, JayClay said:

What does it have to do with the EU was the question.

 

Ahh ok  I think it has very little to do with the EU   but they have inserted themself into a conflict that  would have been over long ago if they had just minded their own business.

21 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

Seems like you bought Zelenskey"s narrative hook, line and sinker.

It's not a narrative.  It's the truth. 

8 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Whats this Thread Title JohnG.

 A small deviation  to point out that it's not just Putin.

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 It's the truth.

 

Says Zelensky and Co  🤣

3 minutes ago, johng said:

 A small deviation  to point out that it's not just Putin.

 

5 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Ahh ok  I think it has very little to do with the EU   but they have inserted themself into a conflict that  would have been over long ago if they had just minded their own business.

So you are OK with a country walking into another Country Raping and killing there civillians and your happy to stand by and watch it johnG as you say not there buisness.

1 minute ago, johng said:

 

Says Zelensky and Co  🤣

Say anyone who pays attention.  

 

ttps://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-dreams-of-a-new-russian-empire-are-unraveling-in-ukraine/

 

 

Over the past year, Russian President Vladimir Putin has openly compared his invasion of Ukraine to eighteenth century Russian Czar Peter the Great’s imperial conquests, and has boasted of “returning” historically Russian lands. However, his dreams of a new Russian Empire are now in danger of unraveling as military setbacks in Ukraine undermine Moscow’s position throughout the entire former USSR.

 

7 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

 

So you are OK with a country walking into another Country Raping and killing there civillians and your happy to stand by and watch it johnG as you say not there buisness.

 

So you are ok with a country walking into another country killing women, children,doctors,aid workers and 200 journalists while US/NATO are supplying armaments and intelligence to enable that  are you happy to stand by and watch it @BarraMarra ?

 

In both cases these atrocities would have ceased long ago if 

US,EU ,NATO had minded their own business.