3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

What I am saying, and I thought this would be quite obvious given the context of this thread, is that if Anutin gets the top job he will be yet another unelected PM. The majority of people of Thailand did not vote for a PTP PM nor did they vote for a BJP PM. 

That's the parliamentary system. In the UK recent Prime Ministers who were not elected by the populace include John Major (1990), Gordon Brown (2007), Theresa May (2016), Liz Truss (2022) and Rishi Sunak (2022)

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

That's the parliamentary system. In the UK recent Prime Ministers who were not elected by the populace include John Major (1990), Gordon Brown (2007), Theresa May (2016), Liz Truss (2022) and Rishi Sunak (2022)

who cares about WHAT the UK system is   the simple fact is in THAILAND the people do not vote for the PM,  MPs do end of story 

Anutin for PM... probably the worst outcome possible for everyone. 

Just now, Sir Dude said:

Anutin for PM... probably the worst outcome possible for everyone. 

 

 

He'll be able to keep his runway if he becomes PM, even if it does cross a public road.

14 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

who cares about WHAT the UK system is   the simple fact is in THAILAND the people do not vote for the PM,  MPs do end of story 

People vote for parties. In most countries the PM comes from the party that wins the election. Here it's down to numbers. 

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

People vote for parties. The PM comes from the party that wins the election.

that is correct but who votes in the pm   NOT the people MPs do   the people vote for MPS NOT the PM  you nearly got it right   even in the uk 

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

People vote for parties. In most countries the PM comes from the party that wins the election. Here it's down to numbers. 

Well, here, the party that won the election was first denied the right to govern, then banned entirely by unelected officials. The banning of parties popular with the majority is sort of Standard Operating Practice (SOP) for Thailand's corrupt establishment.

7 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

that is correct but who votes in the pm   NOT the people MPs do   the people vote for MPS NOT the PM  you nearly got it right   even in the uk 

Semantics. Parties run with a leader of the party. If that party wins the election the leader of that party becomes PM.

People's Party suckers were outmaneuvered and ended up putting Thaksin back in power. Now, they're about to be outmaneuvered and exiled after putting Anutin in long term power. Four months? Sure.

2 hours ago, daveAustin said:

We all want a Pita or Thanathorn type, but sadly Thailand isn’t ready for that level of norm and decency and can’t happen. Probably better Anutin than anyone else in the mix at the mo. If he could overcome influence from you know who, it would be a plus. 

He's part of the establishment. You (and some others) need to realize he will not be working for the masses/electorate. Not at all.

democracy

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Semantics. Parties run with a leader of the party. If that party wins the election the leader of that party becomes PM.

Semantics, its the bases of  democracy  you really have no idea !!!    who votes in a leader of the party its NOT the people  

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

People's Party suckers were outmaneuvered and ended up putting Thaksin back in power. Now, they're about to be outmaneuvered and exiled after putting Anutin in long term power. Four months? Sure.

 Outmanoeuvered by Junta senators and a corrupt judiciary namely the CC and the EC. That's not being out outmanoeuvered that's a soft coup.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

 Outmanoeuvered by Junta senators and a corrupt judiciary namely the CC and the EC. That's not being out outmanoeuvered that's a soft coup.

for once you got it right 

10 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

democracy

Semantics, its the bases of  democracy  you really have no idea !!!    who votes in a leader of the party its NOT the people  

Your talking in circles. I have said that the leader of the party that wins the election becomes PM. That leader is voted for by the people by way of electoral victories leading to winning the election. People vote for the PM by way of voting for their local candidate.  BTP were not elected to govern. This is where the insanity of the Thai system comes into place. The person that the people voted for to be PM by way of voting for the party may not end up as PM. 

9 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Your talking in circles. I have said that the leader of the party that wins the election becomes PM. That leader is voted for by the people by way of electoral victories leading to winning the election. People vote for the PM by way of voting for their local candidate. 

utter rubbish you have no idea about democracy

1 a leader of a political party  is elected by its members   NOT the people 

2 in Thailand a party can nominate i think 3 members of that party to become PM  again not elected or vote for by the people 

 

you have simply  no idea !!! 

 

11 hours ago, Knight Rider said:

So, this is the marijuana guy, right? Big hurrah for him. He will usher Thailand in the right direction now. If the beach road and the walking street starts stinking marijuana, the invasion from India can be halted. 

The smell of marijuana is better than the smell coming off the unwashed indians 🤷🏼

2 hours ago, Grumpy one said:

All he wants to do is get his sticky fingers on more money 

 

Takes some folks (seems to often be less well educated folks) a very very long time to come to grips with reality. Thaksi made big promises, very little ever fulfilled and in the meantine he did many corrupt very unethical things. And to avoid jail he fled abroad for 17 years. Such a nice guy. 

16 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

utter rubbish you have no idea about democracy

1 a leader of a political party  is elected by its members   NOT the people 

2 in Thailand a party can nominate i think 3 members of that party to become PM  again not elected or vote for by the people 

 

you have simply  no idea !!! 

 

So, the British Parliamentary system, the model of many countries around the world, and one that Thailand copies to some degree, is fake democracy because the people don't vote separately for the Head of Government? Is that what you mean. So you think Thailand should vote like the United States? Look what happened there...

15 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

utter rubbish you have no idea about democracy

1 a leader of a political party  is elected by its members   NOT the people 

2 in Thailand a party can nominate i think 3 members of that party to become PM  again not elected or vote for by the people 

 

you have simply  no idea !!! 

 

Show me where I said the person that leads the party is elected by the people. I said and will say again the leader of the party becomes PM if the party wins the election. People vote for the leader of the the party to become PM by way of voting that party into government. This is crystal clear. As for Thailand if the winning party has enough numbers that party will field as PM the leader of the Party. Last election people voted for MFP because they wanted Pita to be PM. The voice of the people was overriden by the military-establishment.

4 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

So, the British Parliamentary system, the model of many countries around the world, and one that Thailand copies to some degree, is fake democracy because the people don't vote separately for the Head of Government? Is that what you mean. So you think Thailand should vote like the United States? Look what happened there...

Yep, a total mess and total chaos causing may serious problems.

3 hours ago, davb said:

He went crazy during Covid, but hopefully he will restore the Cannabis rules to where they were.

Yes, I remember his comments that "Caucasians" were responsible for spreading COVID-19. All of the African Americans and other blacks were laughing like Hell.  FOR ONCE they weren't being blamed

Anutin at the helm, what a potential flustercuck !!

50 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

So, the British Parliamentary system, the model of many countries around the world, and one that Thailand copies to some degree, is fake democracy because the people don't vote separately for the Head of Government? Is that what you mean. So you think Thailand should vote like the United States? Look what happened there...

Your the one who is saying Fake democracy                      here and in the uk people do not vote for a PM     they vote for a MP   who in turn vote for a PM  that is all i am saying whether it is right or wrong  but the PEOPLE DO NOT VOTE FOR A PM 

10 hours ago, captain_shane said:

Why? Isaan people seem to love Thaksin while the elites hate him. He's also shutting down the scam centers, which we'll see what this new guy plans to do about.

no they don't .  take a run up thereb with a fistfull of Baht and see how popular you can get to be

Please No No No

1 hour ago, ronnie50 said:

So, the British Parliamentary system, the model of many countries around the world, and one that Thailand copies to some degree, is fake democracy because the people don't vote separately for the Head of Government? Is that what you mean. So you think Thailand should vote like the United States? Look what happened there...

We got the greatest President of our lifetime !

Sounds like a dictatorship!  Lots of brown envelopes passed around to get the musical chairs of fools going.

1 hour ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Yes, I remember his comments that "Caucasians" were responsible for spreading COVID-19. All of the African Americans and other blacks were laughing like Hell.  FOR ONCE they weren't being blamed

A lot of politicians said and did some stupid things during covid, can we not just put that behind us and move on Some on here appear somewhat oversensitive.   

49 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Your the one who is saying Fake democracy                      here and in the uk people do not vote for a PM     they vote for a MP   who in turn vote for a PM  that is all i am saying whether it is right or wrong  but the PEOPLE DO NOT VOTE FOR A PM 

But at least in the UK they know who the PM will be (initially at least) for each party,  Plenty of housewives voted for labour back in the day just because of Blairs fresh faced image and boyish good looks.  a good enough reason for removing that privilege from women in my opinion

Boris Johnson was also a vote winner So whilst the electorate do not vote for the PM  the prospective PM may well have a strong influence on the way people vote

The biggest fakeness / flaw  in our democracy is that we vote for people in the main based on their manifesto which is in no way binding,  they say one thing to get the vote and then just do whatever they want, often the very opposite of what they promised  Not that much different to what happens here  vote for one thing and get another thing altogether

47 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

But at least in the UK they know who the PM will be (initially at least) for each party,  Plenty of housewives voted for labour back in the day just because of Blairs fresh faced image and boyish good looks.  a good enough reason for removing that privilege from women in my opinion

Boris Johnson was also a vote winner So whilst the electorate do not vote for the PM  the prospective PM may well have a strong influence on the way people vote

The biggest fakeness / flaw  in our democracy is that we vote for people in the main based on their manifesto which is in no way binding,  they say one thing to get the vote and then just do whatever they want, often the very opposite of what they promised  Not that much different to what happens here  vote for one thing and get another thing altogether

Quote  "a good enough reason for removing that privilege from women in my opinion" this is turning the clock back to the dark ages  there have been plenty of woman through out history who have done good for the people  and that is what it is all about doing good for the people, nobody is saying the system is perfect far from it but its the best we have the main opponents to the system is corruption and thailand it is part of its culture  some take it to far, the corruption in thailand will never be resolved  and this will always bring thailand down