When will Starmer take the hint 😀😀

 

 

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

You can put the red thumbs emoji on my posts all you want the truth hurts its water off a Ducks back to me.

 

Meh... @josephbloggs is like me. I wait until the low-brow answers, gormless deflections, petty insults and avalanche of down-voting red emojis start flying, then I drink up, pay my bar tab and go, leaving the muppets to have at it.

7 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

If Starmer falls on his sword (unlikely), and with the absence of 'honest' Angela, the extremely clever and knowledgeable Wes Streeting will be foisted on the great unwashed which is more than enough time to put Humpty Dumpty together before the 2027 election that Labour will call and win.

 

Deal with it.

What your forgetting Nan is the voters now realise the lies that Starmer told us and the Coucil Elections wikk show him what we think of him and his team we have not been forgotten you stole money from Pensioners and cut there winter fuel payments.

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Meh... @josephbloggs is like me. I wait until the low-brow answers, gormless deflections, petty insults and avalanche of down-voting red emojis start flying, then I drink up, pay my bar tab and go, leaving the muppets to have at it.

Maybe we will never know who is spineless. Red thumbers have no spine because they hide behind there keyboard.

14 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

What your forgetting Nan is the voters now realise the lies that Starmer told us and the Coucil Elections wikk show him what we think of him and his team we have not been forgotten you stole money from Pensioners and cut there winter fuel payments.

 

Sorry to say, but since I'm not a Labour voter or supporter, so I haven't stolen anything.

 

I totally agree that their performance under Starmer has been a total shocker, only made worse by the policy u-turns. At the same time, I fail to see anything credible or encouraging from what Reform has said or promised to date.

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I wonder if ol' Farage will bring a pint and a fag to puff on at the dispatch box, and have a dentist on hand...............🤭

 

9 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

Don't look now @brewsterbudgen

 

Starmer might not even make Christmas 😀😀

 

 

 

Great start to the Labour Conference 😀😀

 

I won't be too disappointed if he goes.  He hasn't set the party, country or the world alight!  I just hope he waits until Andy Burnham has got a seat in parliament.

28 minutes ago, transam said:

I wonder if ol' Farage will bring a pint and a fag to puff on at the dispatch box, and have a dentist on hand...............🤭

 

 

Well even that would be a vast improvement on today's offerings.

Total wipeout for the old cohort

Winston Churchill,would have sunk the boat fulls of illegal migrants ,that would soon stop em

21 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Total wipeout for the old cohort

 

Don't let this happen in the UK.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/27/what-britain-can-learn-from-bolsonaros-populist-experiment/

 

Or at least be prepared to be told, 'I told you so' when it does.

 

Careful what you wish for...

6 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Sorry to say, but since I'm not a Labour voter or supporter, so I haven't stolen anything.

 

I totally agree that their performance under Starmer has been a total shocker, only made worse by the policy u-turns. At the same time, I fail to see anything credible or encouraging from what Reform has said or promised to date.

Well most who live in the UK remember him promissing we will be better financially under the labour party and we will be honest and sincere to all uk residents within a week he cut winter fuel payments leaving pensioners with a choice of feeding themselves or keeping themselves warm in the winter, then he put all taxes up and offered a migration policy above the people of the UK.

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

Don't let this happen in the UK.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/27/what-britain-can-learn-from-bolsonaros-populist-experiment/

 

Or at least be prepared to be told, 'I told you so' when it does.

 

Careful what you wish for...

Well im prepared and ready to vote Reform if it goes tits up worry about that then.

12 hours ago, James105 said:

 

You can scream into the void with your caps lock "racist" slurs all you want.  I think it makes you sound like a child having a little temper tantrum but you do you.  Labour are categorically failing on every single metric.  Why are you supporting failure?  I have zero doubt you are one of those that insisted on the government de jour borrowing more and more money as the Bank of England can just print money etc but now seem to have learnt there are consequences to all this borrowing.  The key to getting out of this mess is spending less and growing the economy.  Labour are demonstrating right now, in real time, that they are incapable of doing either of those things.  The Tories demonstrated the same before Labour.   Yet here you are demanding more of the same failed economic policies and calling people racist who do not want more of the same repeated failures.  Those you label as racist (which I presume in your little head means literally anyone who disagrees with you) demand something different.   The only different option on the table is Reform just now.  

 

Farage by the way has never had the chance to govern this country so this would be his first chance.  Perhaps you should educate yourself before claiming others should do so.  

 

 

What happened to being able to trade freely with the world when we left the EU ? Set on our own laws etc?

CLASSIC FARRAGE TROPES. 

 

We basically have trade agreements that are identical if not worst than the EU. We basically have to keep close aslignment with the EU as they are our biggest trade partner. 

 

Don't trust that idiot again. Funnily enough he quickly got himself an EU passport didn't he. 

 

NOT ONE SINGLE BENEFIT OF BREXIT EVERYTHING HAS BECOME WORST. He will wreck the pound again. 

The problem is thick people they shouldn't be allowed to vote or have acess to social  media. Many decades ago I used to punt the idea that the government should have covertly put contraceptives in fags which could have culled humanely a cohort of the problematic lumpen proletariat. 

 

 

Usage by Marx and Engels

 

According to historian Robert Bussard, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels viewed the lumpenproletariat as:

    essentially parasitical group was largely the remains of older, obsolete stages of social development, and that it could not normally play a progressive role in history. Indeed, because it acted only out of socially ignorant self-interest, the lumpenproletariat was easily bribed by reactionary forces and could be used to combat the true proletariat in its efforts to bring about the end of bourgeois society. Without a clear class-consciousness, the lumpenproletariat could not play a positive role in society. Instead, it exploited society for its own ends, and was in turn exploited as a tool of destruction and reaction.

 

Alongside ruined roués with questionable means of support and of dubious origin, degenerate and adventurous scions of the bourgeoisie, there were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged convicts, runaway galley slaves, swindlers, charlatans, lazzaroni, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, procurers, brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, rag-pickers, knife-grinders, tinkers, beggars; in short, the entirely undefined, disintegrating mass, thrown hither and yon, which the French call la bohème.

 

On 9/28/2025 at 4:32 PM, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

What happened to being able to trade freely with the world when we left the EU ? Set on our own laws etc?

CLASSIC FARRAGE TROPES. 

 

We basically have trade agreements that are identical if not worst than the EU. We basically have to keep close aslignment with the EU as they are our biggest trade partner. 

 

Don't trust that idiot again. Funnily enough he quickly got himself an EU passport didn't he. 

 

NOT ONE SINGLE BENEFIT OF BREXIT EVERYTHING HAS BECOME WORST. He will wreck the pound again. 

If he ever gets in the bondmarkets will sell everything UK and crash the pound it will be Brexit squared. But then Europe is in terminal decline anyway and the direction of travel is probably unstoppable but Farage as PM will accelerate that process. The fact that most of you live in Thailand with eff all of a welfare state is the reason that Thailand with all it's faults will prosper. There are no elderly Thais in the UK living in cheap accomodation on Thai pensions and in a nutshell that's the problem that Britain is facing. The whole damn lot of the welfare state is unfunded and that includes me. 

Assuming a british expat retired to Thailand on a state pension that was frozen at the day before the brexit refrendum and taking the pound/baht rate fall as a driver how much have that pensioner lost to date in baht. But hey stick a flag in your profile !

 

 

To make a rough estimate, we need to pick some reasonable assumptions. Here’s a worked‐through approach (with caveats):

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Key assumptions & data points

1. The pension was “frozen” at the pre-Brexit referendum (say mid-2016) level, i.e. it did not increase in later years, while a UK resident’s state pension would have risen by inflation / “triple lock” etc.

   • (In fact, many UK expats in countries without reciprocity don’t get uprating of their state pension. (GOV.UK))

2. The main loss we’re after is from the fall in the pound relative to the baht over that period (since the pension is paid in pounds, but the recipient in Thailand “loses” by converting to baht).

3. We assume the pension amount in GBP has remained constant in real terms (for the expat) since 2016, for simplicity.

4. Use the GBP → THB exchange rate in mid-2016 (just before the referendum) as baseline, and compare to a recent rate. Then compute the “loss” in baht for a given pension level.

5. We’ll do the calculation for a representative pension (say £10,000 per year) or you can scale accordingly.

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Exchange rate data

• On 10 June 2016, 1 GBP = 50.2422 THB (a representative mid-2016 rate) (Currency Converter)

• More generally, 2016 had average ~ 47.826 THB per GBP (Exchange Rates UK)

• More recently, GBP to THB is around ≈ 42.96 THB per GBP (mid-market) (Wise)

Let’s take as “now” 1 GBP = 43 THB (a round figure close to current) and as “then” 1 GBP = 50.24 THB.

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Calculation

If the pension is £10,000 annually (frozen in GBP):

• In 2016, that would convert to:
  10,000 × 50.2422 = 502,422 THB

• Now, converting the same £10,000 gives:
  10,000 × 43 = 430,000 THB

• The “loss” in baht = 502,422 − 430,000 = 72,422 THB

That means the pensioner is getting ~ 72,422 THB less per year than they would if the pound had stayed at its 2016 value vs. the baht.

As a percentage, that’s about 14.4 % loss in baht value (72,422 ÷ 502,422).

If their pension is higher or lower, multiply accordingly. For example:

• For £5,000 pension: loss ~ 36,211 THB/year

• For £20,000 pension: loss ~ 144,844 THB/year

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Caveats and refinements

• The actual 2016 “pre-referendum” date and rate might differ (we picked 10 June 2016).

• The pound-baht rate has fluctuated; using different reference dates changes the result.

• This ignores inflation, purchasing power changes in Thailand, and what a UK pensioner in the UK would have received in GBP increases over time.

• If you wanted the cumulative loss over many years, you'd need to sum year by year, applying annual exchange rates, which would increase the estimate.

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If you like, I can run a more precise calculation (year-by-year) for a specific pension amount you pick, to estimate the total loss in baht since 2016. Do you want me to do that for, say, £12,000/year (or whatever your number is)?

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

To make a rough estimate, we need to pick some reasonable assumptions.

 

Here is a reasonable assumption that you need to factor in.

 

How many people do you think have retired to Thailand, and live solely on a State pension ?
 

Now roughly estimate, how many people your magnificent post actually applies to.

 

I doubt it will be many.

7 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Here is a reasonable assumption that you need to factor in.

 

How many people do you think have retired to Thailand, and live solely on a State pension ?
 

Now roughly estimate, how many people your magnificent post actually applies to.

 

I doubt it will be many.

The assumption merely applies to the state pension that's quite clear and it is back of fag packet calculation but this Brexit unicorn has roughly cost every Brit who has a state reteiment pension around 500k baht since that fateful day. #winning and now these Faragists are cheering on a double down bet on him as PM. I can't fix stupid - nobody can. And it gets even more absurd we have the flag sh%gging mob cheering on Tommee Robinson whilst carrying large crosses and shouting Christ is King whilst swilling on cans of Stella. Where's the Somme when you need it. 

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The assumption merely applies to the state pension

 

You know what they say about assumptions.

 

24 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

On 10 June 2016,

 

The UK State Pension was 

 

Quote

In 2016, the UK had two State Pension systems; the full Basic State Pension for those who reached State Pension age before 6 April 2016 was £119.30 per week or £6,203.60 annually, 

 

Redo your sums 😀😀

1 minute ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You know what they say about assumptions.

 

 

The UK State Pension was 

 

 

Redo your sums 😀😀

Ok let's just say 100s of thousands of baht lost to mythically take back control of things that they struggle to explain what that meant except some spittle-flecked rant about Brussells and "immigrants" and they cheered in Boris who brought in more swarthy immigrants than anyone before because it was the wrong type of Brexit. The one that got Brexit loving Benidorm retirees kicked out of their seaside villas because they didn't vote for that. Oh yes they did. 

On 9/26/2025 at 9:40 PM, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

So you will vote for reform? You will vote to be poorer?

 

The thing is i sit with racist British guys in Pattaya bars who will not ackowledge the pound fell as a result of Brexit. I showed some guys charts after Brexit. 

 

They were getting over 50 Baht to the pound. On good weeks we could get around 55 baht. When the markets thought Brexit was not going to happen the pound was high. It tanked to around 40 after Brexit, and is now hovering around 43. 

 

But no matter what facts you present to these racist Brits, and how it's made them poorer - they don't care. They want to be poorer and suffer, just so long as those immigrants suffer. The irony being immigration went through the roof after Brexit ROFLMAO because companies needed to replace the European workers who went home, so you ended up with Indians !!! ROFLMAO 

 

Now the markets are saying if Farage inacts his 'REMOVING INDEFINATE LEAVE TO REMAIN' (of which the majority are white people!!!) - the economy will suffer. And you know what that means - the pound will fall. 

 

RACISTS ARE BLOODY THICK. 

They certainly are - Pattaya has more than their fair share - they shouldn't have the vote and should wear tags so we can see where they are.

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Ok let's just say 100s of thousands of baht lost to mythically take back control

 

You cannot lose 100's of thousands of baht from £6200 a year.

Just now, The Cyclist said:

 

You cannot lose 100's of thousands of baht from £6200 a year.

Cumulative with the assumption they retired to Thailand at the time of the vote 2016 as was clear from my post. 

29 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Cumulative with the assumption they retired to Thailand at the time of the vote 2016 as was clear from my post. 

 

What happened to the £ - Baht between 2005 and 2013 ?
 

Brexit ?
 

Farage ?

7 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

What happened to the £ - Baht between 2005 and 2013 ?
 

Brexit ?
 

Farage ?

That was a gradual decline - I was a king when I lived in Thailand in the early 2000s 78 baht to the pound a condo on Soi Ruamrudee paid for and my house back in the UK rented out. Happy days. 2016 was a cliff edge from which it has never recovered and that migh friend is the Brexi bonus - or lack of one. The price of idiocy. 

 

The great northern poet Tony Harrison died last week so I asked Chat to reimagine  apoem he could have written. 

 

Absolutely! Here's a poem in a gritty, raw style reminiscent of Tony Harrison’s sharp, ironic social commentary:

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Lumpen in the Tropics

They loitered once in East End gutters,
the lumpenproletariat of Marx,
now drifted south to Phuket and Pattaya,
pennies clinging to pound notes frozen
by referendum folly,
Brexit stamped like a punch‑card in their wallets.

They chew the sun, sip cheap Singha,
dreaming of pensions uprated
while their own votes, blind and clumsy,
snatched the rug from under them.
Idiocy paid in baht,
their folly translated into noodles and fan‑cooled misery.

No Red Flag rises here,
only plastic chairs in the humidity,
and the echo of a country they left behind
where they chose the Brexit knife
and cut themselves first.

Even the tide mocks them,
rolling over Bangkok’s bars and beaches,
laughing in THB,
as if currency itself knows
the lesson: vote poorly, pay dearly,
even in paradise.

---

 

16 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

That was a gradual decline - I was a king when I lived in Thailand in the early 2000s 78 baht to the pound a condo on Soi Ruamrudee paid for and my house back in the UK rented out. Happy days. 2016 was a cliff edge from which it has never recovered and that migh friend is the Brexi bonus - or lack of one. The price of idiocy. 

 

 

   It wasn't Brexit that caused the Pound to drop from 78 Baht to the Pound

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It wasn't Brexit that caused the Pound to drop from 78 Baht to the Pound

 

Please read my posts I made that clear I was referring to the 2016 cliff edge directly caused by Brexit and those calculations of what British retirees have lost - REAL MONEY - was based on that. But you felt good I'll concede that beacuse something inside you felt unloved, forgotten and sticking it to the man helped to mend that fracture.Except it didn't. 

 

Here are some of them from the long lost BNP TV. But then at least their pounds are spent at home. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

Please read my posts I made that clear I was referring to the 2016 cliff edge directly caused by Brexit and those calculations of what British retirees have lost - REAL MONEY - was based on that. But you felt good I'll concede that beacuse something inside you felt unloved, forgotten and sticking it to the man helped to mend that fracture.Except it didn't. 

 

Here are some of them from the long lost BNP TV. But then at least their pounds are spent at home. 

 

 

 

   British people are concerned about the UK.

They have no concerns about ex pats abroad