6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Thank god here in the UK we dont have an Assault rifle under the stairs like the Americans. If we did this idiot can have run Amok inside or shot the Congreagation through the Windows of the Synagouge.

Somebody could have shot back, but hey, thats your laws.  Render the populace defenseless. Easier to control.

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You keep mentioning my hate and bigoted views but when asked to quote a post where I have expressed these views, you always disappear

Do you like Muslims?

Do you respect Islam?

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

A bit insensitive given the topic of the thread?

 

Or do you consider such a pun amusing?

OMG good call how did I miss that!

12 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Yeah.

But then this happened. 

 

Big Don put him in charge of Gaza, no wonder Hamas has rejected the plan and will fight to their deaths.

18 hours ago, emptypockets said:

But, but..river to the sea...genocide...blah blah...dribble dribble. Religion of peace strikes again.

Poor United Kingdom....what have you done.

Enoch Powell's prediction are coming to fruition. I fear there is no way back.

And where is Greta when we need her, oh that's right, she is in a flotilla of boats that arrived in Gaza to support the terrorists.  

11 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Somebody could have shot back, but hey, thats your laws.  Render the populace defenseless. Easier to control.

Thats why were not the wild west Yagoda. What would have happened if he was armed to the Teeth. The good old Anti Terrorist ended it with a single headshot while attempting to stand up. The next one thinking of carrying out this kind of attack will be Silenced immediatly.

 

21 minutes ago, RobKray said:

It is probably thanks to the idiots flattening and bombing Palestine.

 

   No, its due to Muslims attacking Jews .

That is the reason .

 A Muslim immigrant killing British Jews is the reason why security is needed 

14 minutes ago, RobKray said:

I could find many similar things in your holy book.

I dont follow Deuteronomy except as an intellectual excersize when drinking with Jesuit priests.

 

Jews dont stone idolators any more. Blasphemy, adultery, homosexuality etc arent punished by death in the Western World.

 

The word of the day: Evolved.  Judeo-Christianity has EVOLVED and has thus provided a philosophical basis to a world living in the most glorious age ever. Islam has not EVOLVED from its barbaric origins.

 

BTW, Do you even know the meaning of what you quoted? You are a Torah and Talmud scholar now? 

7 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

The next one thinking of carrying out this kind of attack will be Silenced immediatly.

Well I do like that attitude. Us Yanks are Cowboys, you know that

16 minutes ago, RobKray said:

Do you like Muslims?

Do you respect Islam?

I like Azeri folks. The Russians beat the fanatacism out of them.

19 minutes ago, RobKray said:

Do you like Muslims?

Do you respect Islam?

No.

Its about time we stood up to this kind of Attack instead of the softly softly approach. Not wanting to deflect so i will apologise before im Reminded Hate preach from Islamists caused the Death of Fusilier Rigby when an Islamist ran him down in a vehicle and tried to behead him. Sadly no armed response were nearby.

1 hour ago, RobKray said:

Telling Palestinians to “Move to the UK” is Racist and dehumanising.

This is the kind of logic used throughout history to justify ethnic cleansing: “If you don’t like your oppression, leave.”

Palestinians are not outsiders in their homeland, they are the indigenous population of Palestine, living under foreign military rule or in exile due to it.

Suggesting they just pack up and “go to the UK”  shows you have the same colonial mindset that caused this crisis in the first place.

Lighten up for heaven's sake. My reference to the UK was not serious. I have lived and worked in the Middle East for years, and I have many Palestinian friends. Their problem is they only have the token support of neighbouring countries who do not actually do anything to help them.

1 hour ago, RobKray said:

Telling Palestinians to “Move to the UK” is Racist and dehumanising.

This is the kind of logic used throughout history to justify ethnic cleansing: “If you don’t like your oppression, leave.”

Palestinians are not outsiders in their homeland, they are the indigenous population of Palestine, living under foreign military rule or in exile due to it.

Suggesting they just pack up and “go to the UK”  shows you have the same colonial mindset that caused this crisis in the first place.

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20 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Its about time we stood up to this kind of Attack instead of the softly softly approach. Not wanting to deflect so i will apologise before im Reminded Hate preach from Islamists caused the Death of Fusilier Rigby when an Islamist ran him down in a vehicle and tried to behead him. Sadly no armed response were nearby.

May he rest in Peace!!!!

 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

So you think the actions of Israel have no effect on the attitude towards Jews worldwide?

 

It has an effect only in the minds of antisemites.  Holding  Jews collectively responsible for the actions of the government of Israel is raw antisemitism.  It stems from the idiotic notion that all Jews share a common agenda involving domination of non-Jews.

 

No one in their right mind would have thought Catholics in Peru or Poland shared any responsibility for the actions of the Irish Republic Army or that Lutherans in Sweden were associated with the actions of  Baptist members of the KKK in the U.S.  Jews, however, are sometimes blamed for the actions of other Jews.

 

The Working definition of antisemitism by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance includes the following points, among others:

• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

The IHRA is the world's leading body on the Holocaust and antisemitism.  The UK and many other countries have officially adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

 

 

3 hours ago, RobKray said:

I could find many similar things in your holy book.

 

Deuteronomy 7:1–2 (NIV)

1 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girga<deleted>es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you—
2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

Oh god now your quoting Scriptures behave or leave this thread with your nonsense Rob.

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Somebody could have shot back, but hey, thats your laws.  Render the populace defenseless. Easier to control.

We don't do that here in the UK Yagoda and we don't want people running around with Assault rifles like America.

Come on Guy's dont bring an Attack in Manchester into an American thread can we please stick to the Thread or it will be back  to Trump, Biden, nonsense. It only needs a trigger for the magas on here to jump the gun and ruin a good thread. 

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Somebody could have shot back, but hey, thats your laws.  Render the populace defenseless. Easier to control.

 

Why does no one seem to shoot back when all the little school kids keep getting massacred in the US?

 

If guns make the US safer ..........how come you have so many more gun deaths and massacres than any other western nation?

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A protest has been organised in London by the Palastine rabble these idiots scream death to Israel kill jews etc the Police have asked them in the light of what happened at Manchester to cancel it, they refused. Bearing in mind what Starmer said last night get as many riot Coppers out tomorrow and arrest the lot of them show a backbone that this will not be tollerated.

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Somebody could have shot back, but hey, thats your laws.  Render the populace defenseless. Easier to control.

 

You read some of the comments from completely irrational and delusions idiots on this forum....

 

....  And you think its ok that everyone around us has a gun ????.....   

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

A protest has been organised in London by the Palastine rabble these idiots scream death to Israel kill jews etc the Police have asked them in the light of what happened at Manchester to cancel it, they refused. Bearing in mind what Starmer said last night get as many riot Coppers out tomorrow and arrest the lot of them show a backbone that this will not be tollerated.

 

The riot police only tend to come out for right wing protests. The Patriots march etc.

 

When it's Pro Palestine they stand by and watch as people wave Hamas flags, mount statues, scream for Jihad etc. Sometimes they threaten Jews with arrest for being "openly Jewish" if they have the temerity to be in the area. 

 

It's no surprise when you consider Sadiq Khan heads up The Met. 

 

Britain has got itself into a huge mess. 

@Evil Penevil It's galling to read the hypocritical nonsense of collectively holding jews responsible, when that is exactly what most of them they do here on this board. Holding all Palestinians responsible for HAMAS.

We all know of the collective punishment of the Palestinians for decades by the Israeli jews.

 

Where are your indignant posts about that? 

3 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Its about time we stood up to this kind of Attack instead of the softly softly approach. Not wanting to deflect so i will apologise before im Reminded Hate preach from Islamists caused the Death of Fusilier Rigby when an Islamist ran him down in a vehicle and tried to behead him. Sadly no armed response were nearby.

 

Horrific event.

 

One of my daughters met him during a visit he made to the Tower where she used to be chief warder.

11 minutes ago, JakeC said:

@Evil Penevil It's galling to read the hypocritical nonsense of collectively holding jews responsible, when that is exactly what most of them they do here on this board. Holding all Palestinians responsible for HAMAS.

We all know of the collective punishment of the Palestinians for decades by the Israeli jews.

 

Where are your indignant posts about that? A bunch of filthy hypocrites, if you would ask me.

Thats how the final Judgement came around because of hatred against the jews that cost 8 Million jews to die in Gas chambers. Hatred spread throgh propaganda. Same thing is happening again now History repeating itself.

An update from the BBC:

 

Two Jewish men killed in Manchester synagogue attack named

The two people killed in yesterday's attack outside Heaton Park Congregation Synagogue have been named.

They are Adrian Daulby, 53, and Melvin Cravitz, 66.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cx2703lnww4t

 

Other than that, no new details have emerged about the synagogue attack.  I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been more info about Jihad Al-Shamie's background and the involvement of the three others arrested.  Also rather shocking is that none of the pro-Palestinian groups have condemned the synagogue attack.

Stop writng nonsense @BarraMarra It's not propaganda. It is what is actually occurring. We know about collective punishment. It's a policy.

One side portrays themselves as perpetual victims, not ever doing wrong. That is the propaganda.

The propaganda of any criticism being anti-semitism. Can't you see that the wool is being pulled over your eyes?

The place is borne of terrorism. That is a FACT. You have just been brainwashed. I believe in good. 

If someone is in trouble, I don't wait to ask where they come from. Similarly if I see egregious wrongdoing, should I hold back for fear of someone trying to label me as an anti-semite? THAT is the propaganda. Them trying to tell you that what you can see in front of your very eyes, is in fact just you being an anti-semite.

34 minutes ago, JakeC said:

@Evil Penevil It's galling to read the hypocritical nonsense of collectively holding jews responsible, when that is exactly what most of them they do here on this board. Holding all Palestinians responsible for HAMAS.

We all know of the collective punishment of the Palestinians for decades by the Israeli jews.

 

Where are your indignant posts about that? A bunch of filthy hypocrites, if you would ask me.

 

    Palestinians did elect Hamas to be their leaders and so they are actually responsible far the Hams leadership .

  UK Jews are not responsible for Netanyahu being elected as Israel PM

British Jews are not Israeli